Reverend_Hellh0und

Didya get washed out to sea or what?

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Bodhisattva

No...
I just ended up going back a couple of times.
The shorebreak was too good to resist.
...then we had Fire Training. Motor Vehicle Accidents Simulation. Cutting the roofs off of cars and smashing in car windows, etc. Was great stuff.

I'll try to get to it tonight.

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Reverend_Hellh0und

Hmm you had plenty of time to post elsewhere, I am really curious as to your stance.

Bodhisattva

I think that the 2nd Amendment was intended to be worded for civilians to own guns if they are part of a civil defense group. ie a militia.

I don't think that responsible gun ownership is a bad thing at all...
In many ways, it stops violence.

I also feel that there are too many guns...
The issue is much like Alcohol and Prohibition.
What to do.

Guns are not good for benevolent societies.
Guns are not good for people.

But people being people and societies being corrupt and untrustworthy...
Guns are not bad.

We should be evolving towards a no gun society... but that is idealized, I know.

That is all for now I think.

Reverend_Hellh0und

Who are the militia?

I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers. - George Mason

Militia act:

a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and . . . under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b) The classes of the militia are --


(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and


(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.



Do these definitions by our founding fathers and US Code define militia as being you or I?




I agree.

I would say not punish those who follow the law as scofflaws will simply ignore.


No such thing,
They were quite good for us in the late 1700s, They are good in the 2.5 million times a year they are used in defense.

I see your point.


Highly idealized, perhaps we should try to achieve a more enlightened society where they are not needed anymore as opposed to regulation and prohibition of the people on the path to said society.



That is all for now I think. [/quote]

LaMidRighter

Well. I just exercised my 2nd amendment rights yesterday. Bought a Baby Eagle .40, can't wait to take it to the range. Pairing it with full brass 180 grains. Life is good.

p.s. I will not be shooting up a school, robbing a business, or killing any innocent people. Just thought I'd share that with the anti-gun crowd.

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American

Gun control should be implemented at the individual level. You teach people to control their guns at the individual level. That means the government passes simple common sense laws requiring certain types of training, which serves two purposes 1) improved public safety, and 2) the "militia". Gun safety training of the public would change fear of guns (rather the unknown), to respect for guns. This is something that the state can promote in schools because of the 2nd Amendment to have a well regulated militia. Citizens can chose to be trained or not, and those trained can chose to own a gun or not. Gun safety courses should be free, because this is tax dollars well spent. A certification qualifies one for gun ownership. This one requirement I think the Founders would even endorse. One course would teach you about long rifles and handguns. Most all other laws would be unnecessary, because in the hands of a trained citizen a weapon would be safed. Certification renewal would be required every some many years either by state training or by proof of certified training at a designated business (gun club, gun shop, private school) certified to provide training.

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scourge99

The problem wtih placing restrictions on fundamental rights is they are often abused or quickly run out of control to support someones agenda. EG, voters used to have to pay to vote. This tactic was used to keep certain types of people for voting even though it makes sense to charge voters due to the overhead involved.

Someone has to determine what is "common sense" and such a subjective duty is begging to be abused one way or another.

TurtleDude

True, many of us could see the value in a simple test before people vote. FOr example, I saw studies that demonstrated that more people could name the last two finalists of "American Idol" than the two federal senators in their home state. However, abuse is possible =reading tests in the south managed to fail Black PhD's while "crackers" who dropped out of HS managed to pass

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SmilesAndFrowns

I am Very Pro Gun, To the point that backround checks are required for all guns purchased be it shotgun, pistol or pre-ban Machine Gun, (i will get to the machine gun thing later) and classes and in depth interviews and backround checks are required for CCW's.

First, someone said early to teach in schools gun safety. What do you mean? Dont play with it. Or do you mean how to use?

Second, I personally own several firearms that include so called "assualt weapons," I own an AK-47 mainly on the reasoning, that weopons are a techniloigal marvel. Besides that fact that going target shooting with your friends and family is just a damn good way to spend a day. Away from the TV outside have good health fun.

Third, Machine guns are still legal. Machine guns made before 1986 are legal to own. They cost some money because usually once you get one you dont want to get ride of it. And to say some of these are military surplus. You can buy grenades too. And tanks, and arterllery guns. You just got to know where to look and have some money.

Forth, "2 deaths from legally own machine guns since 1930" do you know you could buy an Thompson aka the tommy gun for 100 dollars then, legally, a matter a fact "Baby Face Nelson" was actually given his Thompson as a gift from his wife, she bought it from the hardware store.

Fifth, I know without a doubt that the average joe, even the nut joe, isnt going to efficently opperate a 249 SAW (Squad Automatic Weapon) Better yet the average nut isnt going to have the sufficent ability to fire a bolt action "sniper rifle" and put kill shoots on target, even yet hit anything at all. If you think "sniping" from a 100 yards away with concealment is far, your mistaken. And a .22 isnt designed to kill people and then he listed and AR-15 as a example of a modern weopon, its chambered in 5.56mm, also know as the .223, yeah thats a .22. A double barrel shotgun. Kill more then two people, maybe. But, not on the first shot. Shotguns have a spread of about 2 1/2 inchs at 25yards.

Sixth, Most masscres take place where guns are not permited to be carried. What would happen if, that Former US Marine using his GI bill to go to college is allowed to carry is licensed weapon to school with him after he get his ccw. He safes lifes if some nut tries to shoot up the places.

Seventh, Criminal look for easy prey, I.E. those that are less likely to put up a fight. Basicly does grandma and grandpa have a .357 magnum in there glove boxs?

In closing i really want some feed back on this. Thanks for starting this thread.