TurtleDude

I don't know if you are trying to be amusing or you really are this arrogant but I can tell you opinions is all you have and none of them seem to have any groundings in fact when it comes to the value of gun ownership which you seen to dismiss out of some whacko belief that punishing those who use guns legitimately will impact illegal use. When it comes to the Constitution, however-- Sadly, you do make at least a somewhat rational claim because many courts do not care what the constitution really intended.

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Bodhisattva

The Constitution is an EVOLVING body of laws...
I am confident...sure
I am amusing...to any that could lighten up for a minute that is...
I am not arrogant though
I just reflect the arrogance of others back onto them with a MUCH brighter light.
Look at his two posts to me.
They are insulting and childish.
He is a mutt as far as I can tell with barely conscious opinions that he can only formulate because I supplied the thought.

You can tell me that all I have is opinions easily enough because I declared this fact early in the contest because I wanted to make it clear that I don't care about the stats on this issue and I think that the 2nd Amendment should be stricken from the document.

Stats lie and the document should be changed to omit the 2nd Amendment

It is not "fairly rational" .. please talk about "arrogant"
Don't bother trying to insult my intelligence man.
I have no problem at all actually understanding this issue innately
You just don't agree.
I am looking at this rationally
I don't have an agenda
Have a nice day

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anyone who thinks any good will come from a complete ban on legal firearms for non police civilians is hardly rational. You want to make millions of people criminals if they don't give up their guns and create another black market like we have for drugs? Saying you have a "Brighter light" is both laughable and pathetic. you really are nothing more than an amusing troll on this issue

the makeout hobo

I don't exactly have money to spare at the moment, but if you want to mail a copy to my post office, and I'll send it back to you when I'm done with it, I'll read it.

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Bodhisattva

WHOA NELLY!

I never said that it didn't or couldn't happen.
I was just goofing on your quick draw stuff, that was all.
I think that I even said that it was good that you were able to defend yourself, or something along those lines.
I wouldn't accuse you of lying! No way. You show integrity at DP and I respect that.

I disarmed a thug who pulled a knife by using Martial Arts and stopped him and his two buddies from getting me.
A bunch of you claim that it isn't really possible but I did nonetheless.
I believe you man.
I assume you believe me
Its all good.

I think that you are misunderstanding me.
That is fine. You have your opinion and I have mine.

I think that the continued prescense of guns in society is laughable and pathetic and the need to defend this stance is bizarre are a little scary to be honest

You call yourself rational...but by dismissing others in such a flippant fashion you are hardly showing rationality of thought.

Being open and receptive to conflicting ideas is a much better course of action, and I think that if you looked at our discussion rationally, you would find that I am MUCH more open to both sides than you have been.

LaMidRighter

[quote] Then they would be what another poster eloquently entitled "professional victims"



If you did, then you would not attack the 2nd amendment. Your welcome.



I've seen the compiled data. If you choose to look them up, you can too. But I'm not doing your homework for ya.


Don't care if I did or not actually. I'm right and am satisfied with that. By the Way, do go look up the statistics while your at it. I'll start warming up the crow.



[quote] Which "opinions" are you talking about. The fact that some criminals build up a tolerance to "pepper" spray chemicals, the fact that the most advanced tazer has two shots, the fact that an armed assailant has an advantage over an unarmed martial artist. The fact that the second amendment states we can bear arms AND that it shall not be infringed. Which "opinion" isn't backed up by fact.

No, it really isn't irrelevent at all, well, not to me because it backs up my argument. But please, don't let a little thing like the U.S. constitution get in the way of your infringement argument.

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LaMidRighter

Then they would be what another poster eloquently entitled "professional victims" - That is ONE opinion...thanks for sharing.

If you did, then you would not attack the 2nd amendment. - Rather juvenile in its assumption and to declare that as you "logical" arguement is a little disturbing indeed

I've seen the compiled data. - So have I... and? Perhaps Interpretation is not your forte?

Would you like to see how easily refutable these points are? All I have to do is point out how infrequent these things can be...

The fact that some criminals build up a tolerance to "pepper" spray chemicals - The fact that some criminals wear bullet-proof vests and body armor. The LA Police Shootout is one such example of many.

the fact that the most advanced tazer has two shots, - Some guns only hold six shots and there might be more than six assailants... not to mention actually being able to hit the targets.

the fact that an armed assailant has an advantage over an unarmed martial artist. - Guess you missed the two posts were I said that I disarmed a thug that pulled a knife and kept him and his two friends from mugging me, huh?

The fact that the second amendment states we can bear arms - The Constitution USED to say that slaves/blacks counted as 3/5 of a person as well...

AND that it shall not be infringed. - The Constitution is continually updated for the betterment of society at large.

Which "opinion" isn't backed up by fact. - those

If you don't like my counterpoints it is not because they lack logic...
It is because they show that you have opinionated arguements, that is all.

No, it really isn't irrelevent at all, well, not to me because it backs up my argument. - But the very fact that you use something that is Irrelevant to "back up your arguement" shows that your arguement is Irrelevant as well.

But please, don't let a little thing like the U.S. constitution get in the way of your infringement argument - You keep tossing this out at me as if this prooves anything. The Constitution is not a static document. It evolves. It changes. The 2nd Amendment can be altered or even flat-out DELETED. The fact that it hasn't yet does not make it any more relavant.

What is is not more important What should be

TurtleDude

Google it-it is available on line

TurtleDude

so all of us who are serious target shooters or hunters ought to give up our hobbies to make people like you feel better?

Bodhisattva

hunters who use high powered rifles are hardly hunters and the government or rifle ranges can hold all weapons in armories...