Obvious child thanks for supplying some info to show how the potential for corruption with absolute power not only applies to this all but also is already taking place.
The point I attempt to make to those who continue to claim they do not have any concerns about new laws limiting their rights and freedoms like we are discussing here because they mistakenly believe the laws will 100% only affect people who are actual terrorist threats etc is that once the freedom is gone your as suspect to the new law as anyone else is, and the potential for abuse of these powers is larger than any of us would like to believe.
Any good American would be willing to make some level of sacrifice for their country (I am that level would vary greatly too), but the sacrifice on this one is way to high for the true benefit realized versus what is available without the new intrusive laws.
This thinking below seriously worries me.
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Imprison you indefinitely without access to due process,
No. Because I am not an enemy combatant caught fighting US troops -- forgetting, for the moment that they get due process.
Since we have enough problems with varying systems of unobtainable bail settings for non violent crimes (and others) throughout the US that many I speak with view as intentional towards keeping suspected criminals imprisoned prior to trial (sort of different to what many believe innocent until proven guilty was designed to provide). In many cases where many are jailed for such long times before their trials that they end up losing many of the things they worked their entire life for even if they are ultimately found not guilty etc do we really need to allow our government to introduce new laws that can actually imprison anyone without access to due process?
In some areas I understand it is not unusual for bail to be set intentionally well above what the accused can produce, and also for trials to approach one year from original arrest dates.
Though I do not agree with the current system used in some areas except for the most serious crimes with the utmost certainty of all evidence etc it would have to produce enough opportunity for any savvy attorney used by our government needing to help a true terrorist off the streets or from doing further harm.
Why should the American public have to sell their souls for their own safety?
I have looked at this from most every angle and as much as I want to be safe, and see all my fellow Americans maintain the previous feelings of safety I can not seem to justify any of these new or proposed anti terror laws in any way applying to a US Citizen, and in many instances can not see how the benefit can outweigh the costs.
We need to protect ourselves, but can not sacrifice our very "selves" and what has made us who we are only for the sake of feeling safe and especially when the previous laws were more than adequate to allow our safety.
I hope you all are getting this, and as much as I would also enlist for certain sacrifices and many of us have already.
Who actually enjoys being searched by clueless airline security and needing to waste an extra hour or two of their time only to hear that these same systems fail almost every test of their ability to eliminate actual threats?
Can any of the systems designed to improve overall safety do more than just test the levels of patience of the honest citizens who must endure them?
I know from previous involvement with those setting up systems that there are more viewing, listening, and searching equipment in use today than ever before that has almost our every move in covered in specific locations etc, and I am sure there has been many more systems placed since previous involvement etc.
Sure those without wrongful intent or actions should not have anything to worry about, but what if this is not true?
