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    Re: The Powers of Government ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Master PO View Post
    you can continue to post the same thing over and over, but you will still be wrong.
    nothing but fallacy, like usual from the fantastical, right wing.

    To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

    government control means there no private groups of militia; only posse, unrecognized by their Sheriff.

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    The militia gets its express and written authority, from Article 1, Section 8; not right wing fantasy regarding natural rights.

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    Re: The Powers of Government ...

    If the fantastical right wing cannot win any political arguments, however do they fantastically think, they are going to win any legal arguments?

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    Re: The Powers of Government ...

    Quote Originally Posted by lafayette View Post
    ... Are delimited by the constitution, including the bill of rights.

    The interpretation of those "limits" is defined by the judiciary (that is the various courts and the supreme court).

    There is no variation in the above documents, whereas there are great variations in terms of their interpretation. Which are more or less large depending upon the prevailing sentiment.

    In fact, some think interpretation (of the constitution) is historical in nature and thus passes in waves; changing every thirty of forty years and largely depending upon the nature of the supreme court. That is, whether the laws politicians pass by nature are consistent with - or not - the constitution.

    So far, so good - no great evil has been done. But evil is in the eye of the beholder.

    And anyone with an "eye" for social democracy will say that the us is one of the most inequitable and unfair nations on earth.

    Whyzzat?

    Generally because the fruit of one's labor, revenue, are taxed and returned as "government services" is not sufficiently equitable. Meaning what? Meaning that they are not fair and impartial. (more than half of discretionary federal budget goes to just the dod!)

    beyond this general explanation, we delve into the nature of work, how it is compensated and whether that compensation has especially favored one group (workers) over another (producer-owners). How is that measured? In terms of after-tax revenues ...
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    Re: The Powers of Government ...

    TAXATION-LIGHT & TAXATION-HEAVY

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What is your point? Taxes can't be fair to anyone by its very nature.
    Taxes are government revenues and are dependent upon a government's definition of who gets to keep what revenue and how much.

    Given that definition, there is a range from Taxation-lite to Taxation-heavy. Living in the US, and comparatively across nations, this is what they are:
    Taxation - share of GDP, 2008.jpg

    Why should anyone in the US complain about taxation, given that on a spectrum of international tax rates as a percent of GDP - they are below most. In the above list, the top-Ten European countries have taxation rates at or above 40% of GDP, whilst the US is at 27.3%.

    So, what's the catch?

    I'll answer that question. It all depends upon what governments do with taxation - and if the European countries are Tax-heavy it is because they "do more" for their population. Two very basic necessities are guaranteed by tax-revenues in the EU, which are free (or nearly free) National Health Care and Postsecondary Education.

    The first helps guaranty that one remains alive and healthy enough to work, and the second that (as regards work) one is able to obtain the skills/competencies that advanced economies generally require to provide decent jobs at decent salaries ...
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    Re: The Powers of Government ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lafayette View Post
    Taxes are government revenues and are dependent upon a government's definition of who gets to keep what revenue and how much.

    Given that definition, there are Taxes-lite and Taxes-heavy? Living in the US, comparatively across nations, and given the above, this what they are compared to other nations:
    Taxation - share of GDP, 2008.jpg

    Why should anyone in the US complain about taxation, given that on an international comparison - and as a percent of GDP - they are below most? In the above list, the top-Ten European countries have taxation rates at or above 40% of GDP, whilst the US is at 27.3%.

    So, what's the catch?

    I'll answer that question. It all depends upon what governments do with taxation - and if the European countries are Tax-heavy it is because they "do more" for their population. Two very basic necessities are guaranteed by tax-revenues in the EU, which are are free (or nearly free) National Health Care and Postsecondary Education.

    The first helps guaranty that one remains alive and healthy enough to work, and the second that (as regards work) one is able to obtain the skills/competencies that advanced economies generally require to provide decent jobs at decent salaries ...
    Who in the hell decides taxes are too high by what other countries are paying?

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    Re: The Powers of Government ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Who in the hell decides taxes are too high by what other countries are paying?
    Me, I do. Because the corollary to taxation is government expenditure. Meaning what you get for your tax-dollar.

    What's your problem with that ... ?
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    Re: The Powers of Government ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lafayette View Post
    Me, I do. Because the corollary to taxation is government expenditure. Meaning what you get for your tax-dollar.

    What's your problem with that ... ?
    And regulatory burden?

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    Re: The Powers of Government ...

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    The militia gets its express and written authority, from Article 1, Section 8; not right wing fantasy regarding natural rights.
    state militias dont get authority from the constitution, article 1 section 8 grants congress power, nothing of the states is granted a power by the constitution.


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    Re: The Powers of Government ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Who in the hell decides taxes are too high by what other countries are paying?
    The same people who go to a Major League Pennant Game to see who wins ... ?
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