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    Re: The State of Michigan has silenced Flint

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    Re: The State of Michigan has silenced Flint

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The NY Times article says nothing about decisions Flint leaders made to cause the economic downfall of their city.

    Th Frontpage article is from a far right wing attack rag that has no credibility and openly ignores decades of economic woes that hit the city causing the economic and political environment that Flint found itself in in recent years.

    I would strongly urge you to educate yourself on the issue. This will help

    Time line: How Flint's water crisis unfolded - Detroit Free Press

    and this clearly shows the State control seriously compounded the resolution of any problem

    Flint Water Crisis: A Step-By-Step Look At What Happened : The Two-Way : NPR

    Please note that the decision to replace the Water system and the State Emergency Manager were events that took place well in advance of March 2013 7-1 council vote you cited as your evidence.

    So what were these so called decisions that Flint leaders made that doomed the city long before Snyder came along?
    Then you didn't read the article--
    "But the city bears much blame for its condition because it did not adjust to its rapidly declining tax base and curb spending, city officials and residents said."
    This was in a government takeover in 2002. Leadership fought against all the imposed budget cuts at that time and GUESS WHAT they continued to run huge deficits and GOLLY GEE wouldn't you know they run into a default again 12 years later. How could anyone ever have seen it coming???? FAIL FAIL FAIL
    I strongly urge you to educate yourself in 2nd grade math that if you spend more than you take in, you'll go broke.

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    Re: The State of Michigan has silenced Flint

    Quote Originally Posted by Stopandthink View Post
    Then you didn't read the article--
    "But the city bears much blame for its condition because it did not adjust to its rapidly declining tax base and curb spending, city officials and residents said."
    This was in a government takeover in 2002. Leadership fought against all the imposed budget cuts at that time and GUESS WHAT they continued to run huge deficits and GOLLY GEE wouldn't you know they run into a default again 12 years later. How could anyone ever have seen it coming???? FAIL FAIL FAIL
    I strongly urge you to educate yourself in 2nd grade math that if you spend more than you take in, you'll go broke.
    Your so called article pales and is dwarfed in comparison to the OFFICIAL REPORT of the hand picked group of experts selected by the Governor of Michigan and empowered to investigate the water crisis.

    And their findings - damning to the State and the Governor himself - were presented to you but you are ignoring for some reason.

    Why are you doing so and insisting otherwise?

    As to the allegation of declining tax base - what local decisions did Flint leaders make that caused the decline in tax base?
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    Re: The State of Michigan has silenced Flint

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Your so called article pales and is dwarfed in comparison to the OFFICIAL REPORT of the hand picked group of experts selected by the Governor of Michigan and empowered to investigate the water crisis.

    And their findings - damning to the State and the Governor himself - were presented to you but you are ignoring for some reason.

    Why are you doing so and insisting otherwise?

    As to the allegation of declining tax base - what local decisions did Flint leaders make that caused the decline in tax base?
    Not once but on two occasions during the last 14 years, it had been determined by experts that flint would collapse unless drastic measures were taken, putting city residents in danger of not receiving basic human services. I call that gross negligence and a complete failure on city officials to best serve its people.

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    Re: The State of Michigan has silenced Flint

    Quote Originally Posted by Stopandthink View Post
    Not once but on two occasions during the last 14 years, it had been determined by experts that flint would collapse unless drastic measures were taken, putting city residents in danger of not receiving basic human services. I call that gross negligence and a complete failure on city officials to best serve its people.
    So what specific decisions did Flint make bringing on this so called economic collapse? Produce them and when they were made.

    You are being intentionally vague and simply repeating the right wing mantra of blaming the victim for historical trends it could not impact nor control.
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    Re: The State of Michigan has silenced Flint

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So what specific decisions did Flint make bringing on this so called economic collapse? Produce them and when they were made.

    You are being intentionally vague and simply repeating the right wing mantra of blaming the victim for historical trends it could not impact nor control.
    Huge deficits. Simple. The idiots couldn't balance a budget and in playing political standoff games victimized their citizens by jeopardizing their basic human services. That's not right wing, THATS MATH.

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    Re: The State of Michigan has silenced Flint

    Quote Originally Posted by Stopandthink View Post
    Huge deficits. Simple. The idiots couldn't balance a budget and in playing political standoff games victimized their citizens by jeopardizing their basic human services. That's not right wing, THATS MATH.
    Present the decision with verifiable evidence as I requested.

    So you are against jeapordizing citizens basic human services .... how is it then that you seem to have advocated for severe gov ornamental service cutbacks which would most likely do just what you pretend to be against?
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    Re: The State of Michigan has silenced Flint

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    Re: The State of Michigan has silenced Flint

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Present the decision with verifiable evidence as I requested.

    So you are against jeapordizing citizens basic human services .... how is it then that you seem to have advocated for severe gov ornamental service cutbacks which would most likely do just what you pretend to be against?
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    Re: The State of Michigan has silenced Flint

    Quote Originally Posted by Stopandthink View Post
    MEET THE PLAYERS!!!!
    Failure from 2002
    Mayoral Recall May Foreshadow Flint Bankruptcy [Mackinac Center]

    DONT FORGET THIS MAYORAL HERO, he set the stage for state takeover 2014!!!!
    https://ballotpedia.org/Don_Williams...Michigan,_2009
    The mackinaw center is a right wing think tank. Here is the only relevant part of the article which explains the economic problems of Flint

    Also, General Motors shut the doors on several plants in "Buick City," significantly reducing its work force. The auto manufacturer once employed 80,000 workers in Flint. It now employs 19,000.
    That is the main reason why the tax base was destroyed and it has nothing to do with any vote from Flint government.

    I have no idea what Don Williams has to do with the Republicans taking over Flint.

    You are talking out of both sides of you mouth. You are against jeapordizing citizens basic human services .... how is it then that you seem to have advocated for severe governamental service cutbacks which would most likely do just what you pretend to be against?
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