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    Are Police Constitutional?

    After recently happening upon a paper titled, "Are Cops Constitutional," by Roger Roots, it has caused me to think about this topic. (http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm) He essentially says that firstly, there was no police force like we know today when the Constitution was written. Secondly, that many aspects of ttoday's police force are unconstitutional. I'd say that the 10th Ammendment allows states to create a police force like we know today for the most part, however I'm not sure about federal police agencies. Wanted to get other opinions as well as input onto how true or false the claim that police work is unconstitutional really is. Thanks.

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    Re: Are Police Constitutional?

    I think you raise a very good point, but it is only academic.

    If the Executive Branch is charged with enforcing the laws written by the Legislative, how else to do that but by some sort of police force?

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    Re: Are Police Constitutional?

    Some Americans seem to get far too precious about the Constitution, especially it’s literal and direct implementation. I suspect that if it was found that breathing was unconstitutional, you’d have a spate of self-asphyxiation suicides for those unconstitutional police to deal with.

    They have the choice of either recognising the fundamental principles behind the establishment of your nation (of which the Constitution is only one part) or they will have to ensue pretty much anything invented or significantly altered in the last couple of hundred years and live like the Mormons. It would at least be a whole lot healthier.

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    Re: Are Police Constitutional?

    i guess we don't really need them, there is one other way to handle the crime problem, one i imagine roughly 13% of the population would not enjoy.
    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

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    Re: Are Police Constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blades729 View Post
    After recently happening upon a paper titled, "Are Cops Constitutional," by Roger Roots, it has caused me to think about this topic. (http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm) He essentially says that firstly, there was no police force like we know today when the Constitution was written. Secondly, that many aspects of ttoday's police force are unconstitutional. I'd say that the 10th Ammendment allows states to create a police force like we know today for the most part, however I'm not sure about federal police agencies. Wanted to get other opinions as well as input onto how true or false the claim that police work is unconstitutional really is. Thanks.
    all powers in the constitution are delegated, granted to the federal government and are limited.

    all other powers which exist remain the powers the states before the constitution was written.

    since the constitution creates federalism a separation of powers, the states and the federal government should never exercise the same powers, however we know the USSC screwed that up.

    states have the power to create a police force.

    enforcement by federal would include only those things they have authority over as stated in the constitution which are few.
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    Re: Are Police Constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blades729 View Post
    After recently happening upon a paper titled, "Are Cops Constitutional," by Roger Roots, it has caused me to think about this topic. (http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm) He essentially says that firstly, there was no police force like we know today when the Constitution was written. Secondly, that many aspects of ttoday's police force are unconstitutional. I'd say that the 10th Ammendment allows states to create a police force like we know today for the most part, however I'm not sure about federal police agencies. Wanted to get other opinions as well as input onto how true or false the claim that police work is unconstitutional really is. Thanks.
    My opinion- this question is just another reason why constitutions are just wordy adornments, unnecessary burdens. A constitution is an expression of the hubris and arrogance of it's authors(s).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    My opinion- this question is just another reason why constitutions are just wordy adornments, unnecessary burdens. A constitution is an expression of the hubris and arrogance of it's authors(s).
    all the constitution is, is a simple document setting up the structure of the federal government and delegating them powers, which the states gave over to the federal government.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    all the constitution is, is a simple document setting up the structure of the federal government and delegating them powers, which the states gave over to the federal government.
    That's all it's meant to be. I agree. Somehow it became biblical, and it's authors prophets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    That's all it's meant to be. I agree. Somehow it became biblical, and it's authors prophets.
    well, the authors left us with writings on what they created and what they meant, however we have men who are not interested in the law, but wish to use power to achieve their own goals at the expense of others.

    how can a 20th century man, know more then the men who wrote the constitution itself?


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    Re: Are Police Constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blades729 View Post
    After recently happening upon a paper titled, "Are Cops Constitutional," by Roger Roots, it has caused me to think about this topic. (http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm) He essentially says that firstly, there was no police force like we know today when the Constitution was written. Secondly, that many aspects of ttoday's police force are unconstitutional. I'd say that the 10th Ammendment allows states to create a police force like we know today for the most part, however I'm not sure about federal police agencies. Wanted to get other opinions as well as input onto how true or false the claim that police work is unconstitutional really is. Thanks.
    Cops are routinely trying to save people's lives while staying alive themselves. In war, soldiers do their best to uphold the Geneva Convention, but the fight or flight instinct sorta dictates their actions in crises.
    “looking with fondness towards a reconciliation with Great Britain…I…would rather be dependent on Great Britain, properly limited, than with any other nation on earth or on no nation”. Thomas Jefferson; August 25 1775

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