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    Re: Are Police Constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Fast forwarding 200+ years I wish they had been a bit more wordy in the Constitution itself so we didn't have to piece things together from various other writings.
    well both Madison and Hamilton state that the federal government has no powers concerning the lives liberty and property of the people, and that they cannot be regulated by the federal government, this was confined by the USSC in 1873, but under the packed, stacked FDR USSC, the court allowed the federal government control in our lives.


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    Re: Are Police Constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by Master PO View Post
    well both Madison and Hamilton state that the federal government has no powers concerning the lives liberty and property of the people, and that they cannot be regulated by the federal government, this was confined by the USSC in 1873, but under the packed, stacked FDR USSC, the court allowed the federal government control in our lives.
    Right, but I'm talking about the endless debate that goes on even today. There are some things that I believe could have been made clearer. For example, exactly what did they mean when they said "militia" in the 2A. You can point to whatever writing you want, but that could have... and should have... been made clearer in the amendment itself.
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    Re: Are Police Constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Right, but I'm talking about the endless debate that goes on even today. There are some things that I believe could have been made clearer. For example, exactly what did they mean when they said "militia" in the 2A. You can point to whatever writing you want, but that could have... and should have... been made clearer in the amendment itself.
    the 2nd is in 2 parts, 1 - the federal government is restricted from making any laws concerning a organized militia of the states, a well "regulated" militia means a "organized" militia like the states have, not a collection of men thrown together, a rabble.

    2 - restricted from making any law concerning the right of the people bear arms , remember the federal government has no powers concerning the people, they cannot be regulated


    1-That they should be well regulated, is judiciously added. A disorderly militia is disgraceful to itself, and dangerous not to the enemy, but to its own country.

    2-But a minute detail of particular rights is certainly far less applicable to a Constitution like that under consideration, which is merely intended to regulate the general political interests of the nation, than to a constitution which has the regulation of every species of personal and private concerns.

    the constitution is intended to regulate the the interest of the nation, and not the people or their personal business
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    Re: Are Police Constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Without the Constitution, the state could put a gun butt through your teeth. So next time you besmirch the original intent of the Constitution, think twice.
    the state can and does do this. the constitution is a piece of garbage. apparently you dont live in the united states

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    Re: Are Police Constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by hado117 View Post
    the state can and does do this. the constitution is a piece of garbage. apparently you dont live in the united states
    why? what reason do you come to that conclusion.


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    Re: Are Police Constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by hado117 View Post
    the state can and does do this. the constitution is a piece of garbage. apparently you dont live in the united states
    The only garbage here is your post.
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    Re: Are Police Constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by Master PO View Post
    Police in terms to me, means being able to keep the peace among the people, the states had this power before and after the constitution.

    the federal government was never granted a power to police among the people, BUT they were granted the power in a areas that requires enforcement of a some constitutional powers.

    they are piracy, counterfeiting, treason from 1787, some others were added later
    Piracy and treason are basically acts of war in minor form, Counterfeiting is more interesting as it pertains basically to Fiat based paper money which is not really Constitutional to begin with. The Constitution only gives the Federal Government the right to "Coin" money which was intended to be gold, silver, copper, or bronze in which case the value is based on the base metal itself and is not able to be counterfeited profitably. Metal tokens were often minted by private citizens due to the limited ability of the Federal government to mint enough coin to keep up with the economy. Foreign coins especially from Mexico and Spain were commonly used in early America.

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    Re: Are Police Constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by jdog View Post
    Piracy and treason are basically acts of war in minor form, Counterfeiting is more interesting as it pertains basically to Fiat based paper money which is not really Constitutional to begin with. The Constitution only gives the Federal Government the right to "Coin" money which was intended to be gold, silver, copper, or bronze in which case the value is based on the base metal itself and is not able to be counterfeited profitably. Metal tokens were often minted by private citizens due to the limited ability of the Federal government to mint enough coin to keep up with the economy. Foreign coins especially from Mexico and Spain were commonly used in early America.


    To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

    provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

    The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.


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    Re: Are Police Constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Completely agree, though I am concerned about how now it seems every department and service in the federal government has it's own militaristic police force where they didn't just a few decades ago. Seems like serious overkill to me.
    Serious mission creep, something virtually all bureaucracies do. It's the nature of the beast, and why the writers of the Constitution restricted government powers as they did.

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