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Rapists, "Sexy" clothes, and Sexual Assault

Wake

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Is it plausible to think that a rapist/criminal is more likely to attack a woman wearing sexy clothes than a woman who is not doing so?

That alone is the question. For some it is common knowledge, and to others it, sadly, isn't.

What say you?
 
Actually, most rapists rape to feel powerful, in control. The target matters very little. Most rapists don't target a specific type of woman, either...meaning you can't warn brunettes with long hair, blue eyes, and bubble butts to be on the look-out for a rapist, because next time he might go after a 70 year old, silver-haired grandmother. Typically, they want the easiest target.
 
tessaesque said:
Actually, most rapists rape to feel powerful, in control. The target matters very little. Most rapists don't target a specific type of woman, either...meaning you can't warn brunettes with long hair, blue eyes, and bubble butts to be on the look-out for a rapist, because next time he might go after a 70 year old, silver-haired grandmother. Typically, they want the easiest target.
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Criminology 101.

Edit: I'm sure you meant rapists as a group don't target a specific type of woman. Individuals rapists sometimes do.
 
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StillBallin75 said:
Criminology 101.
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John Douglas (part of the original "dream team" that started the practice of profiling @ the FBI) is my idol. If I didn't have crappy vision and jiggly thighs I would have gone into the FBI to be like him.
 
tessaesque said:
John Douglas (part of the original "dream team" that started the practice of profiling @ the FBI) is my idol. If I didn't have crappy vision and jiggly thighs I would have gone into the FBI to be like him.
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I watch too much Criminal Minds for my own good.
 
Wake said:
Is it plausible to think that a rapist/criminal is more likely to attack a woman wearing sexy clothes than a woman who is not doing so?

That alone is the question. For some it is common knowledge, and to others it, sadly, isn't.

What say you?
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Yes... but I do nothing this is really the issue that people are discussing in the other thread. A secondary question... that I think is what is being addressed is, if the woman wearing sexy clothes gets raped, does she have any responsibility in her rape? The answer to that question is no. Finally, the tertiary question in this sequence would be, is it the woman's responsibility to make good choices to keep herself safe? Yes. Now, when we look at this sequence, we can see that responsibility is mutally exclusive, and I think that is the problem that folks from both sides of this issue fail to grasp. The rape is 100% the responsibility of the rapist. The woman has no responsibility in this act. Making safe choices is 100% the responsibility of the woman. However, and here's where things become mutally exclusive, since one can make ALL the right choices and still get raped, we know that the rape is about the rapist. You make a stupid choice, you are responsible for making that choice, but you are not responsible for the choice of another.
 
StillBallin75 said:
Criminology 101.

Edit: I'm sure you meant rapists as a group don't target a specific type of woman. Individuals rapists sometimes do.
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I said "most". =oP. Every rule has an exception, except the one that doesn't....;)
 
tessaesque said:
I said "most". =oP. Every rule has an exception, except the one that doesn't....;)
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Yeah, I just wanted to dispel the confusion some might have. Are we talking "most rapists" as in, most rapists individually? Or, "most rapists" as in rapists in general? Just wanted to clear that up for some of the others here.

I think the bottom line is this: You could have the body of a porn star, running around naked in public and your chances of actually getting raped might not be all that much different from any regular average-looking woman on the street.
 
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StillBallin75 said:
Yeah, I just wanted to dispel the confusion some might have. Are we talking "most rapists" as in, most rapists individually? Or, most rapists as in most rapists in general? Just wanted to clear that up for some of the others here.
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I would think "in general". A serial rapist with a specific type of victim is often a serial rapist who will eventually break into the combo-move and rape/kill. The motivation for those rapists changes...they're trying to go after a specific person or idea of a person, they have an image of somebody who has severely wronged them and since they can't touch them (dead, can't find them, etc), they go after the next best thing...their look-alike.
 
I have a question.

Basically no matter how sexually provocative a woman dresses, she is absolutely blameless if she inadvertently attracts a rapist?
 
Wake said:
I have a question.

Basically no matter how sexually provocative a woman dresses, she is absolutely blameless if she inadvertently attracts a rapist?
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Alright, I just got here so let's start over. First, has it been statistically proven that rapists are more inclined to target provocatively dressed women than the average woman? I want some good, hard statistical data to support this idea before we move forward.
 
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Wake said:
I have a question.

Basically no matter how sexually provocative a woman dresses, she is absolutely blameless if she inadvertently attracts a rapist?
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Are you asking if she is blameless if she gets raped? If that is your question, then yes, she is blameless. But remember what I just posted. Her responsibility is making good choices. This is mutally exclusive to what those choices lead to.
 
StillBallin75 said:
Alright, I just got here so let's start over. First, has it been statistically proven that rapists are more inclined to target provocatively dressed women than the average woman? I want some good, hard statistical data to support this idea before we move forward.
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I have no proof on hand. My wisdom dictates those of such criminal minds would do so. Do you not think a thief, in a dangerous location, more likely to rob a man with much revealed "bling-bling" than the average joe? What tempts a criminal? Sex? Money?
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Making safe choices is 100% the responsibility of the woman. However, and here's where things become mutally exclusive, since one can make ALL the right choices and still get raped, we know that the rape is about the rapist. You make a stupid choice, you are responsible for making that choice, but you are not responsible for the choice of another.
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yes... and a little extension. making bad choices is not criminal and we are only responsible to others for having made bad choices when those choices affect others and we may be said to have been negligent in choosing.

rape is simply evil.

geo.
 
Wake said:
I have a question.

Basically no matter how sexually provocative a woman dresses, she is absolutely blameless if she inadvertently attracts a rapist?
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yes.

geo.
 
Wake said:
I have no proof on hand. My wisdom dictates those of such criminal minds would do so. Do you not think a thief, in a dangerous location, more likely to rob a man with much revealed "bling-bling" than the average joe? What tempts a criminal? Sex? Money?
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You're relying on conjecture and what you presume to be common sense, not actual data. It's really hard to read the mind of a ****ed up individual.

That being said, if the answer to the aforementioned question is Yes, rapists in general are more likely to target provocatively dressed women, then I am in full agreement with CC. If the answer is No, then the question in the OP is irrelevant.
 
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Wake said:
I have no proof on hand. My wisdom dictates those of such criminal minds would do so. Do you not think a thief, in a dangerous location, more likely to rob a man with much revealed "bling-bling" than the average joe? What tempts a criminal? Sex? Money?
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Well, rape is a bit of a different kind of crime. A robber's motivation is usually about money. A rapist's motivation is often about power and domination. He may see two woman, one dressed sexily, the other who looks like his ex-wife who he hates. He may ignore the former and go after the latter.
 
StillBallin75 said:
You're relying on conjecture and what you presume to be common sense, not actual data. It's really hard read the mind of a ****ed up individual.

That being said, if the answer to the aforementioned question is Yes, rapists in general are more likely to target provocatively dressed women, then I am in full agreement with CC. If the answer is No, than the question is irrelevant.
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Yeah, I wasn't going to go into the entire psychological issues surrounding rape... that would have overly complicated this issue and it seemed that Wake was looking for a simple and logical answer.
 
Wake said:
I have a question.

Basically no matter how sexually provocative a woman dresses, she is absolutely blameless if she inadvertently attracts a rapist?
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It doesn't matter. If she's raped, regardless of how she's dressed, the rapist should be tried and punished to the fullest extent of the law. Her outfit has no bearing.
 
Wake said:
I have a question.

Basically no matter how sexually provocative a woman dresses, she is absolutely blameless if she inadvertently attracts a rapist?
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Yes. The fact you think women "attract" rapists is false to begin with.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Yeah, I wasn't going to go into the entire psychological issues surrounding rape... that would have overly complicated this issue and it seemed that Wake was looking for a simple and logical answer.
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I think it would actually be an interesting discussion to bring in the psychological and criminological aspects of this discussion. But for starters, I think you hit the nail right on the head.
 
StillBallin75 said:
I think it would actually be an interesting discussion to bring in the psychological and criminological aspects of this discussion. But for starters, I think you hit the nail right on the head.
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I agree. It would be an interesting discussion and leads into a discussion about sexual behavior and dominance... along with sexual orientation and prison sexuality. Doesn't seem like it would be for the scope of this thread, though.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Well, rape is a bit of a different kind of crime. A robber's motivation is usually about money. A rapist's motivation is often about power and domination. He may see two woman, one dressed sexily, the other who looks like his ex-wife who he hates. He may ignore the former and go after the latter.
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I differ on this point. Criminals can be different types, but they are still criminal. The lure, the flash of gold, the revealed skin; I surmise that to the criminal fish the lure is attractive. I disagree on the motives of the rapist; I think that more often than not he just wants sex. He wants sex for pleasure. The thief wants gold to sell/keep. The thief does not steal out of power or domination, does he..?

More often than not the rapist wants sex. The woman is essentially taking a chance by wearing very provocative clothes when in a dangerous location, just as the man with the bling-bling is also taking his chances. I would say the victim has blame, but of what kind? Perhaps the victims can be deemed unwise for being in said location with such a lure? Blamed as in not being wise; not as in being immoral. Perhaps?
 
Wake said:
Do you not think a thief, in a dangerous location, more likely to rob a man with much revealed "bling-bling" than the average joe?
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sure... and? that he is suffering greater temptation does not mean that I am more at fault. HE is responsible for his actions, and i for mine.

wake... i had my bicycle stolen recently. i did a dumb thing... engrossed in studying for an exam, i did not realize that i had simply parked it next to me on the bench and when i got up to go to class, i walked off leaving it behind. OJO! Que Idioto!

even so, i have been reminding myself since then that IT IS NOT MY OWN FAULT. I am not at fault for the harm done to me by another because i fail to properly atnticipate that harm. i do not deserve to suffer harm simply because, as the poet says, "the world's more full of suffering than you can understand".. I may be subject to an equal AMOUNT of criticism, but not criticism of the SAME NATURE.

A woman is not responsible for being raped. ever. if she walks down the street butt naked pleading for sex and says at the very last instant, "no thanks, i have changed my mind".... she is free to do that and if one forces her, that is criminal rape for which she bears NO responsibility.

geo.
 
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No, rape is not about sex, it's about power, and control.
 
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