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Pushing the "gay" agenda in schools..

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Welcome to MA a few years after gay marriage was adopted. Now your 1st and 2nd graders are being wholly indoctrinated. I know some will think nothing of this, but this is what happens when you institutionalize homosexual behavior.

It's sad, these kids have no idea how they're being led about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9z4uIUBJk&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s2J6JW1yI4

I thnik some people will view this with open arms, and paint me as a homophobe for posting this, but I can't fathom WHY this needs to be brought to the attention of 1st, and 2nd grade children? They are using very clear guilt methods for indoctrinating these unsuspecting kids..


Thoughts?


Tim-
 
Probably a bit young for discussing such matters, but I don't see how this is a big deal. The only reason I see that this kind of issue should be discussed at this age is if one of the kids does have LGBT parents, and other kids are teasing them about it. Then the teacher should come in, and explain to the child that is doing the teasing that what they are doing is wrong, and there is nothing wrong with the other kid, and their parents.

Though I do think that during sex ed when the kids get a bit older that homosexuality should be acknowledge as a valid, and acceptable form of human sexuality, and that there is nothing physiologically, or mentally wrong with LGB people. And also transsexuality, should be mentioned as well, and how GID affects people, and that trans people also have nothing wrong with them, and shouldn't be made as freaks just because they are different.
 
Hicup said:
Welcome to MA a few years after gay marriage was adopted. Now your 1st and 2nd graders are being wholly indoctrinated. I know some will think nothing of this, but this is what happens when you institutionalize homosexual behavior.

It's sad, these kids have no idea how they're being led about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9z4uIUBJk&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s2J6JW1yI4

I thnik some people will view this with open arms, and paint me as a homophobe for posting this, but I can't fathom WHY this needs to be brought to the attention of 1st, and 2nd grade children? They are using very clear guilt methods for indoctrinating these unsuspecting kids..


Thoughts?


Tim-
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So teaching kids about the truth and reality is "indoctrination"?
 
StillBallin75 said:
So teaching kids about the truth and reality is "indoctrination"?
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Technically you could call any form of education "indoctrination", people just use it when they want to attach a negative connotation to what is being taught.
 
Issues of morality should not be discussed in a venue which disallows organizations with major influences on morality from participating. Further, School teachers should narrow their teaching to what they are qualified to teach.

The separation of Church and state doesn't give the schools the right to preach.
 
StillBallin75 said:
So teaching kids about the truth and reality is "indoctrination"?
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Hmmm.. Is it true? Really? Have you noticed the national debate about gay rights lately? So which truth is being told, Stillballin? When there is NO truth, you're indoctrinating them to your (their) doctrine.

Besides all that, I would be against this type of sexualizing to any children of that age, frankly. Maybe grade 9, but not 5, 6, 7, 8 years old? On a highly contentious social issue like this where there is a such a division among what people believe, it better be left to the parents to teach their children. The schools shouldn't be in the business of teacher political, social issues that are always better left to the parents. That SOME parents don't teach thier children is NOT an excuse to let loose on the general public.

My God man. Have you been in any gay thread here? There is no consensus at all, it is completely divided. Where do they get off pushing on children. I doubt, you'd feel this way if it wasn't that you happen to agree with the gay lobby? What if they were teaching kids that abortion kills babies? What if they were showing video's of late term abortions. I mean afterall it's the truth, right? There are some things kids don't need to know when they're kids.

Leave the fricking kids out of the conversation, IMO.


It's the right thing to do.


Tim-
 
mac said:
Issues of morality should not be discussed in a venue which disallows organizations with major influences on morality from participating. Further, School teachers should narrow their teaching to what they are qualified to teach.

The separation of Church and state doesn't give the schools the right to preach.
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Exactly..

Oh, and YS, not every education is indoctrination. Where did you get that idea? A belief, or ideology is what these folks are "teaching". Facts are cherry picked, and manipulated, just like they are in ANY gay tread on this forum. Like Mac says.. Teach what you're qualified to teach, and then bud out.


Tim-
 
While I do feel that GLBTQ issues should become a bit more mainstream within society to avoid the common alienation and persecution of members of the community, this specifically doesn't seem like necessarily the best way to do it. It's more of a cultural issue more than anything else, and until as a people culturally we can come to terms with gender identity beyond the norm it will be difficult for stuff like this to change much of anything.
 
Hicup said:
Hmmm.. Is it true? Really? Have you noticed the national debate about gay rights lately? So which truth is being told, Stillballin? When there is NO truth, you're indoctrinating them to your (their) doctrine.

Besides all that, I would be against this type of sexualizing to any children of that age, frankly. Maybe grade 9, but not 5, 6, 7, 8 years old? On a highly contentious social issue like this where there is a such a division among what people believe, it better be left to the parents to teach their children. The schools shouldn't be in the business of teacher political, social issues that are always better left to the parents. That SOME parents don't teach thier children is NOT an excuse to let loose on the general public.

My God man. Have you been in any gay thread here? There is no consensus at all, it is completely divided. Where do they get off pushing on children. I doubt, you'd feel this way if it wasn't that you happen to agree with the gay lobby? What if they were teaching kids that abortion kills babies? What if they were showing video's of late term abortions. I mean afterall it's the truth, right? There are some things kids don't need to know when they're kids.

Leave the fricking kids out of the conversation, IMO.


It's the right thing to do.


Tim-
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I don't have the time to go through the video. Could you give me a basic rundown of what exactly they are teaching and what exactly is the problem with it?
 
Your Star said:
and shouldn't be made as freaks just because they are different.
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That's pretty much the whole of Jr. High and High School right there. Different=picked on. It happens. Band geeks get made fun of because they're in band all the time (though band is cool), academic nerds get picked on for being nerds. Kids will always behave like kids.
 
StillBallin75 said:
I don't have the time to go through the video. Could you give me a basic rundown of what exactly they are teaching and what exactly is the problem with it?
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No.. Watch it when you have some time, and if you bother to care, then respond if you wish.


Tim-
 
Hicup said:
Exactly..

Oh, and YS, not every education is indoctrination. Where did you get that idea? A belief, or ideology is what these folks are "teaching". Facts are cherry picked, and manipulated, just like they are in ANY gay tread on this forum. Like Mac says.. Teach what you're qualified to teach, and then bud out.


Tim-
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I didn't say every form of education was indoctrination, but one could put that quality on any form of education, to put a negative connotation towards it.

Anyway, I agree with you, that teachers should teach what they are qualified in, that's why I believe that we should have a comprehensive sexual education, with a qualified sex education teacher, that is able properly teach kids about sex. This education should include abstinence, birth control, condoms, how to properly use them, access to condoms, LGBT(which I went over in my previous post) the reproductive system, and how they work, STD's, what puberty will entail etc, etc. This isn't something that should be left up to the parents IMO, our kids deserve accurate, and quality information about sex, and this education should be mandatory, and no letting the parents sign a form that says their child will not be attending these classes. We wouldn't do that with history class, no reason to do that with sex education.
 
Ikari said:
That's pretty much the whole of Jr. High and High School right there. Different=picked on. It happens. Band geeks get made fun of because they're in band all the time (though band is cool), academic nerds get picked on for being nerds. Kids will always behave like kids.
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Doesn't mean we shouldn't chastise that behavior.
 
Hicup said:
Welcome to MA a few years after gay marriage was adopted. Now your 1st and 2nd graders are being wholly indoctrinated. I know some will think nothing of this, but this is what happens when you institutionalize homosexual behavior.

It's sad, these kids have no idea how they're being led about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9z4uIUBJk&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s2J6JW1yI4

I thnik some people will view this with open arms, and paint me as a homophobe for posting this, but I can't fathom WHY this needs to be brought to the attention of 1st, and 2nd grade children? They are using very clear guilt methods for indoctrinating these unsuspecting kids..


Thoughts?


Tim-
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So a consequence of allowing gays to marry is that young children may be taught that gay people exist?

Oh my god! The world is going to come to an end! Ahhhhhhhhh!

Wow, how intolerant do you have to be to support the notion that 7 or 8 year-old children need to be protected from the knowledge of the existence of people who form same sex relationships?

Could you provide some evidence of exactly how this is harmful to children? Or are you just upset that they are not being religiously indoctrinated in the schools to believe that gay people are bad?
 
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CriticalThought said:
So a consequence of allowing gays to marry is that young children may be taught that gay people exist?

Oh my god! The world is going to come to an end! Ahhhhhhhhh!
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This song seems appropriate.

 
I look at this the same way that I look at Texas wanting to teach creationism in their science classes. Not my state, not my business.
 
Hicup said:
Welcome to MA a few years after gay marriage was adopted. Now your 1st and 2nd graders are being wholly indoctrinated. I know some will think nothing of this, but this is what happens when you institutionalize homosexual behavior.

It's sad, these kids have no idea how they're being led about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9z4uIUBJk&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s2J6JW1yI4

I thnik some people will view this with open arms, and paint me as a homophobe for posting this, but I can't fathom WHY this needs to be brought to the attention of 1st, and 2nd grade children? They are using very clear guilt methods for indoctrinating these unsuspecting kids..


Thoughts?


Tim-
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The first moment a child sees another child's *both mommies* or *both daddies* it's brought into their life.

I don't think it needs to be a component in education - much in the same way same-sex anything isn't really, either.
 
Tucker Case said:
I look at this the same way that I look at Texas wanting to teach creationism in their science classes. Not my state, not my business.
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I don't agree with that either.. A belief is a belief, is a belief. :)

Tim-
 
CriticalThought said:
So a consequence of allowing gays to marry is that young children may be taught that gay people exist?

Oh my god! The world is going to come to an end! Ahhhhhhhhh!

Wow, how intolerant do you have to be to support the notion that 7 or 8 year-old children need to be protected from the knowledge of the existence of people who form same sex relationships?

Could you provide some evidence of exactly how this is harmful to children? Or are you just upset that they are not being religiously indoctrinated in the schools to believe that gay people are bad?
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CT, all ideology aside. They're too young for this. I have kids this age, they couldn't possibly comprehend the scope of what it is they're being taught. They don't even know what sex is for crying out loud?


Tim-
 
Hicup said:
Welcome to MA a few years after gay marriage was adopted. Now your 1st and 2nd graders are being wholly indoctrinated. I know some will think nothing of this, but this is what happens when you institutionalize homosexual behavior.

It's sad, these kids have no idea how they're being led about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9z4uIUBJk&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s2J6JW1yI4

I thnik some people will view this with open arms, and paint me as a homophobe for posting this, but I can't fathom WHY this needs to be brought to the attention of 1st, and 2nd grade children? They are using very clear guilt methods for indoctrinating these unsuspecting kids..


Thoughts?


Tim-
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If they are "born that way" why do they need to be taught about it in school? isn't that the parent's job anyway?
 
Hicup said:
I don't agree with that either.. A belief is a belief, is a belief. :)

Tim-
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True, a belief is a belief is a belief and I'm a small government conservative who supports state's rights. So, due to my beliefs, I feel that these types of teachings are up to the states.
 
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Hicup said:
CT, all ideology aside. They're too young for this. I have kids this age, they couldn't possibly comprehend the scope of what it is they're being taught. They don't even know what sex is for crying out loud?


Tim-
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No, but perhaps they have an inkling about human attraction. Sex doesn't necessarily have to be a part of this. But I don't exactly have a problem with teaching young kids about sex either.
 
Hicup said:
CT, all ideology aside. They're too young for this. I have kids this age, they couldn't possibly comprehend the scope of what it is they're being taught. They don't even know what sex is for crying out loud?


Tim-
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Dude, this is so ridiculous I can't believe you are not embarrassed having posted it. You are trying to use the oldest and most elementary scare tactic in the book. As such here is a good avatar for you...

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They are "too young"? Are you a child psychologist now? What aspect of teaching kids that gay people exist is beyond their cognitive scope? What does this even have to do with sex?
 
StillBallin75 said:
No, but perhaps they have an inkling about human attraction. Sex doesn't necessarily have to be a part of this. But I don't exactly have a problem with teaching young kids about sex either.
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I have a problem with schools teaching young kids about sex. it should be the parent's responsibility to teach them and decide when they are ready for it.
 
CriticalThought said:
What aspect of teaching kids that gay people exist is beyond their cognitive scope?
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are you really so naive that you think all they will teach them is that gay people exist? :roll:
 
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