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I don't know where else to put this thread, since a moderator already advised against continuing discussion in another thread.

I will respond to some peoples comments and if people wish to continue discussing with me, I guess they can in this thread, unless it's not permitted...(?)

Anyhow...

German Guy said:
And that's not just a side effect. The entire ideology of Nazism, Führer-cult and strict authoritarianism, breeds a mindset that is completely incompatible with creativity, inventiveness and aesthetics. The inner core of Nazi mindset is anti-art and anti-thought.

So I say "no thanks" to Nazism.
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Except of course that Hitler and the regime promoted art and intellectual pursuit, they simply rejected cultural imperialism and fought against anti-German ideas.

But anyway, are you honestly telling me that Germany now, is more functioning, more unified than it was under Hitler? Germany has one of the biggest race problems in Europe.

X Factor said:
What were the Nazis defending themselves from in your view? Again, I ask out of genuine curiosity.
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From the destruction of German culture and the purity of their race.
 
Kristallnacht said:
From the destruction of German culture and the purity of their race.
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And how were Jews a threat to those things?

BTW, I'm glad you started a new thread.

Oh, and what is the benefit of so called "racial purity"? I thought Laila had a good point.

Laila said:
LOL
Highly amusing too.

Same ethnicity, same religion, same language, same society, same values, same looks. Pretty much 99.9% of it is the same and yet it is ****ed.
Our neighbours who are multicultural are fairing better.

Being homogeneous is worth nothing :shrug:
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Ok so first, you made a statement in the other thread about symbols ---


Kristallnacht said:
Why does this mean I have to justify the holocaust?
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Ockham said:
Because you openly associate the symbols, beliefs and nomenclature of Hitler and national Socialism as it applies to 1930's German with yourself and your views
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Kristallnacht said:
By that standard, anyone who wears Nike associates themselves with sweat-shop labour.
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Yes, by wearing Nike one associates themselves with whatever Nike does good or bad. So, back to the point:

How do you justify the holocaust and the planned systematic genocide of a group with your views, beliefs and morals? You can't expect people to just ignore it.

And BTW: How is it that you've changed the swastika avatar of yours out now for the Danish flag? Do you have no comittment to national Socialism and Hitler's legacy to proudly show all what you believe in? I would think you'd have some pride in such a deeply held belief system - so I'm disappointed you've changed it.
 
X Factor said:
And how were Jews a threat to those things?
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In the same way that Islam is a threat to Western Europe now. The introduction of their culture and values and the slow assimilation of their people into that of the nation. The purity of a nation and of a culture is attacked by elements that seek to undermine and even replace that culture with a different one.
 
Yes, by wearing Nike one associates themselves with whatever Nike does good or bad. So, back to the point
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Yet western society is perfectly fine with that.

How do you justify the holocaust
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I don't justify it.

and the planned systematic genocide of a group with your views, beliefs and morals? You can't expect people to just ignore it.
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I don't understand what you mean.

And BTW: How is it that you've changed the swastika avatar of yours out now for the Danish flag? Do you have no comittment to national Socialism and Hitler's legacy to proudly show all what you believe in? I would think you'd have some pride in such a deeply held belief system - so I'm disappointed you've changed it.
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Well, I changed it because I accept someones point that it appears as if I'm purposefully trying to provocate with having the Swastika. It makes no difference to me to have the Danish flag, I'm just as proud of that flag as I am the Swastika.

I have kept the Hitler quote in my signature though.
 
Kristallnacht said:
In the same way that Islam is a threat to Western Europe now. The introduction of their culture and values and the slow assimilation of their people into that of the nation. The purity of a nation and of a culture is attacked by elements that seek to undermine and even replace that culture with a different one.
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So, specifically, what parts of German culture and ideas were Jews trying to destroy or replace?
 
Kristallnacht said:
Except of course that Hitler and the regime promoted art and intellectual pursuit, they simply rejected cultural imperialism and fought against anti-German ideas.
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They had a pretty twisted idea what culture and art is, in my opinion. Art that's dictated from above is not art. Art needs room to breathe, it needs freedom. And art is cosmopolitan. Culture changes over time, that is a natural process. Artists and thinkers have always been inspired by foreign or historic influences, if that wasn't the case, you hardly get good art. And you need a free exchange of ideas, a subtext -- one that grows naturally, by free exchange of ideas, not by dictation from above.

Also, I disagree that the many German artists and scientists, who happened to be of Jewish faith, were "anti-German". On the contrary. They were one important pillar of German culture. Without them, what we came to know as "German culture" would be much weaker and more shallow. I could name dozens of names here. So I just get back to Heinrich Heine: Would you really want to miss his beautiful use of the German language, his witty polemics and beautiful poems, and could you ever claim the German language would be just as rich without him? No way.

But anyway, are you honestly telling me that Germany now, is more functioning, more unified than it was under Hitler? Germany has one of the biggest race problems in Europe.
From the destruction of German culture and the purity of their race.
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Germany is at very least much more functioning today on the field of individual freedom and in the intellectual realm.

I don't believe "race" plays a role. Maybe culture does. But I don't believe culture or behavior is genetic, it's acquired.

But I don't buy the culture war alarmism either. There are problems, but nothing that can't be solved.
 
X Factor said:
Oh, and what is the benefit of so called "racial purity"? I thought Laila had a good point.
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I believe that Teutonic races should be preserved and should exist exclusively in the homes of thier cultural and national births. I believe that in and of itself is a benefit.
 
Kristallnacht said:
In the same way that Islam is a threat to Western Europe now. The introduction of their culture and values and the slow assimilation of their people into that of the nation. The purity of a nation and of a culture is attacked by elements that seek to undermine and even replace that culture with a different one.
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That is just downright silly. Jews living in western Europe mostly kept to themselves, involved themselves in the business allowed them, and did not prosletyze. They did not seek the establihment of anything like the corresponding Caliphate, nor did they involve themselves in terrorizing the local populations.

Currently there are well over a billion Muslims in the world and only a few million Jews, with the gaps are widening. There are now more Muslims living in most western European countries than there were ever Jews, and their political clout is much greater. They are connected to foreign groups unlike the European jews of the 30s, and Western European counties have appeased them in ways Jews were never appeased pre ww2.
 
Kristallnacht said:
In the same way that Islam is a threat to Western Europe now. The introduction of their culture and values and the slow assimilation of their people into that of the nation. The purity of a nation and of a culture is attacked by elements that seek to undermine and even replace that culture with a different one.
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Without conceding that the Jews were trying to undermine German culture, if preserving a culture has to be accomplished by brutal, inhumane force, is that a culture worth protecting? In other words, if a "culture"" has to be enforced or protected from competing ideas, wouldn't that indicate a weak culture in the first place?
 
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German guy said:
They had a pretty twisted idea what culture and art is, in my opinion. Art that's dictated from above is not art. Art needs room to breathe, it needs freedom. And art is cosmopolitan.
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Art is a reflection of a people. If you look at modern art and of contemporary art now, what is that reflecting? Dysfunction, sensationalism - all the ugly elements of an ugly world. National Socialist Art wanted to promote the ideals of what we can be; what is perfect about who we are as a race and culture and what we strive to achieve. It's romantic and idealistic and hopeful. Why should a culture or race not preserve this and destroy all that infects it and undermines that? We have a role as a people to protect ourselves from deviance and dysfunction: Embracing those things isn't noble or virtuous, despite whether you use platitudes like "freedom". Freedom allows people to express the most depraved and negative aspects of human society. Why would we want to promote that?

Culture changes over time, that is a natural process. Artists and thinkers have always been inspired by foreign or historic influences, if that wasn't the case, you hardly get good art. And you need a free exchange of ideas, a subtext -- one that grows naturally, by free exchange of ideas, not by dictation from above.
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I, nor Hitler, were opposed to the free exchanges of ideas. Modern art was given a platform under his regime. We should discuss and debate ideas, but ultimately what is the purpose of those conclusions: To promote and allow the destruction of a culture based on purity and hope - Or the continuation and protection of that culture and of that hope.

Also, I disagree that the many German artists and scientists, who happened to be of Jewish faith, were "anti-German". On the contrary. They were one important pillar of German culture. Without them, what we came to know as "German culture" would be much weaker and more shallow. I could name dozens of names here. So I just get back to Heinrich Heine: Would you really want to miss his beautiful use of the German language, his witty polemics and beautiful poems, and could you ever claim the German language would be just as rich without him? No way.
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The idea that without Jews, Germany would not be able to express itself through its own language is just absurd. Are you really claiming that the German people are so incapable of mastering their own language that only Jews could have saved it? I find that offensive.

Germany is at very least much more functioning today on the field of individual freedom and in the itellectual realm.
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Yet we have high unemployment; high poverty. You live in beautiful Berlin. You just have to work its streets and the S-Bahn to see just how derelict and terrible that place has become. It's either degredation or shiny sky-scrapers and flashing lights. Where is the history? The beauty? Where is the unity of the people? No one speaks, no one dares to look at each other as they hurry from their poorly paid job to their poorly maintained apartment. With Hitler there was a sense of pride, of unity of love for your neigbour and your community. That no longer exists. Especially not in Berlin.

I don't believe "race" plays a role. Maybe culture does. But I don't believe culture or behavior is genetic, it's acquired.
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Race and culture are the same thing in my view.
 
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X Factor said:
Without conceding that the Jews were trying to undermine German culture, if preserving a culture has to be accomplished by brutal, inhumane force, is that a culture worth protecting? In other words, if a "culture"" has to be enforced or protected from competing ideas, wouldn't that indicate a weak culture in the first place?
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The final solution wasn't about preserving a culture. It was about annihiliting the Jews.
 
Gardener said:
That is just downright silly. Jews living in western Europe mostly kept to themselves, involved themselves in the business allowed them, and did not prosletyze.
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You're not well informed.

Currently there are well over a billion Muslims in the world and only a few million Jews, with the gaps are widening. There are now more Muslims living in most western European countries than there were ever Jews, and their political clout is much greater. They are connected to foreign groups unlike the European jews of the 30s, and Western European counties have appeased them in ways Jews were never appeased pre ww2.
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Yes. I agree. The Jews are not the problem anymore. I'm in agreement with you.
 
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Anyways, I was about to say this in the other thread, but here is better:


Kristallnacht said:
And another question.
Europe may have been historically White territory, but Australia, US, Canada, New Zealand etc. are not.
Would all Whites have to move back to Europe to leave the lands in the hands of the natives?
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I have no interest over those countries. My advice would be that they return to Europe if they want to.
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We're doing tolerably well, thanks, so I don't think so. With apologies to the Euros among us, I'd rather have my toenails pulled out with pliers than live in Europe. Not my cup of tea.
 
Goshin said:
Anyways, I was about to say this in the other thread, but here is better:




We're doing tolerably well, thanks, so I don't think so. With apologies to the Euros among us, I'd rather have my toenails pulled out with pliers than live in Europe. Not my cup of tea.
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I've been to Europe. Some places are better than others. I feel on the whole that Americans definitely enjoy a slightly higher standard of living, but Euros are less wasteful in how they consume and use resources.
 
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