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I'm glad you can admit to being a hypocrite.

It is just logic...

You cannot legitimately claim that New Zealand has no racial problems.

I would never claim that...

If you really think this then I don't believe you are really aware of the issues inherent in this problem. Please stop speaking from your own personal experience. Your own personal experiences don't equate to truth.

Is that a joke? How do non-racists create racial problems?

Racists exist because racial issues exist. Racial issues exist because races are forced to live with each other. People react to problems they understand and there are clear problems with forcing separate cultures to co-exist together. Namely, indigenous populations are sidelined and their culture eroded.

Racists exist because they don't like other races and create issues do to this fact. If a nice family moves in next door, they are nice. If they are black or white, I could care less. If I can trust them to look after my dog when on vacation or report a burglar, then race is irrelevant. If a nice black couple moves in next to you, you see black and potential problems due to that, instead of potential problems do to personality clashes like politics or playing music too loud. Do you understand?

Racists create problems due to race... that is the only reason that there are race problems.

You have stated an opinion. I disagree with it. Just repeating it doesn't make it fact.

Unless it is a fact...

How do you think that manifest itself? I want examples.

It could be any number of reasons. You want me to give examples as to how or why some people dislike others due to their skin colour?

Ok... it is because they are small minded and prejudicial idiots who base worth off of skin colour instead of the substance of the person, that's why.

Want something more PC? here you go...

Evolutionary theories about the origins of racism

Biologists John Tooby and Leda Cosmides were puzzled by the fact that race is one of the three characteristics most often used in brief descriptions of individuals (the others are age and sex). They reasoned that natural selection would not have favoured the evolution of an instinct for using race as a classification, because for most of human history, humans almost never encountered members of other races. Tooby and Cosmides hypothesized that modern people use race as a proxy (rough-and-ready indicator) for coalition membership, since a better-than-random guess about "which side" another person is on will be helpful if one does not actually know in advance.
Their colleague Robert Kurzban designed an experiment whose results appeared to support this hypothesis. Using the Memory confusion protocol, they presented subjects with pictures of individuals and sentences, allegedly spoken by these individuals, which presented two sides of a debate. The errors which the subjects made in recalling who said what indicated that they sometimes misattributed a statement to a speaker of the same race as the "correct" speaker, although they also sometimes misattributed a statement to a speaker "on the same side" as the "correct" speaker. In a second run of the experiment, the team also distinguished the "sides" in the debate by clothing of similar colors; and in this case the effect of racial similarity in causing mistakes almost vanished, being replaced by the color of their clothing. In other words, the first group of subjects, with no clues from clothing, used race as a visual guide to guessing who was on which side of the debate; the second group of subjects used the clothing color as their main visual clue, and the effect of race became very small. [53]
Some research suggests that ethnocentric thinking may have actually contributed to the development of cooperation. Political scientists Ross Hammond and Robert Axelrod created a computer simulation wherein virtual individuals were randomly assigned one of a variety of skin colors, and then one of a variety of trading strategies: be color-blind, favor those of your own color, or favor those of other colors. They found that the ethnocentric individuals clustered together, then grew until all the non-ethnocentric individuals were wiped out.[54]


Racism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is just communist rubbish. People identify that their homelands are being taken over by other cultures and races and they are angry about it. I don't know what New Zealand is like, I don't much care, but in Europe the problem is explosive. You only have to look at the demographics of political parties that are being elected to see that immigration plays a fundamental part in peoples political expressions. The rise of the far right is undeniable, with immigration being at the forefront of those victories. People are fed up with multiculturalism and they are fed up with being made to be second class citizens in a nation they historically founded, with its own culture and values.

Communist? WTF? I am on the opposite spectrum of being a communist, essentially... I'm just being a realist. I think that you are confusing people being mad at immigrants impacting financially that lead to issues like feelings of disenfranchised that lead to violence with race. There are nice black people and bad black people just as there are with white people and brown people and green people. You don't like them because of their skin colour, but that is on you.

If you are trying to claim that Islam is not cultural, then you clearly have no idea what Islam is. Islam is not just a religion, it is a culture, with its own identity and values.

I clearly do. I never said Islam was only a religion. I knew as I was tying it that you would take it that way. Islam is as cultural as Christianity... it is a code by which people live. Same with Hindus and Buddhists. The religion defines their culture. Differentiate please. The aspect here is not one of culture. The issue here is one of religion. We could live the same as Muslims, eat the same foods, all the cultural aspects of Islam, etc. and they would still want to kill us due to religious reasons since we do not subscribe to the same God. So I clearly understand this better than you...

For a teacher, you are failing spectacularly at keeping up with this discussion. You asked me how I would "initiate" national socialism. I pointed to representative democracy and then you say "If most people are against it, it ain't gonna happen", which is a pretty stupid thing to say when we're talking about representative democracy, since that's pretty much the basic principle in which it operates.

Dude, you are being obtuse on purpose, aren't you. The one failing is the one that... well, you. You can't initiate it if nobody is in favour of it and if nobody votes for it. Your ideas fall before being introduced into the representative democracy... You say it yourself, if the basic principle operates in favour of most people being against it so it ain't gonna happen, then it ain't gonna happen, which you call... stupid? Interesting... Stupid is as Putsch says.


I am setting the pace...
 
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Of course that's what you think. How else will you be able to qualify your argument unless you conveniently attribute positions to me?

Unfortunately for you, lebensraum continues to be an aspiration of many of your Nazi brethren. I suspect that program will be carried out. Even if it wasn't, it makes little difference to the problem at hand. At the end of the day, its not just the millions of jews and blacks and muslims. Its the slavs aswell and other non-Aryans.

Erm, it already has.

Barely, not to the degree its any more habitable than it was.

It's really not that bad providing you have a home and some clothes.

Is this you showing your tolerant side? :roll:

Oh shut up, for pity sake. :roll:

Its a perfect discription

Economically viable for what?

sustain living standards?

Debatable.

Hardly in a position to talk.


You undermine revolts?
 
I would never claim that...

Then your example is redundant.

Is that a joke? How do non-racists create racial problems?

Racism isn't created because someone decided to be racist. Reality creates ideas, not the other way around.

Racists exist because they don't like other races and create issues do to this fact.

Reality is not created by ideas. Ideas are created by reality. I don't create oranges by thinking they exist.

If a nice family moves in next door, they are nice. If they are black or white, I could care less. If I can trust them to look after my dog when on vacation or report a burglar, then race is irrelevant.

But this issue has nothing to do with whether they are nice or are able to make phone calls to the police.

If a nice black couple moves in next to you, you see black and potential problems due to that, instead of potential problems do to personality clashes like politics or playing music too loud. Do you understand?

Yes, but I don't think you do.

The problem of racial integration is not at all comparable to a neighbour playing music loudly. Their existence in my community demonstrates an attack on my culture. Having a black family or Jews or Muslims move into my community means that my community is no longer controlled by the indigenous people who live in. It now takes on a different characteristic, of which the indigenous population had no choice. I don't want people of other races and other cultures living in my country; using it to undermine my culture and race as well as using its resources, because I want to create a pan-Germanic, National Socialist nation.

My country is for my countrymen. Our culture and race should be the only culture and race in the country and by establishing that we can truly find peace and prosperity.

Racists create problems due to race... that is the only reason that there are race problems.

That's just incredibly naive.

It could be any number of reasons. You want me to give examples as to how or why some people dislike others due to their skin colour?

I'm not asking "why", I'm asking how. How does racist violence manifest itself as far as you are concerned?

Communist? WTF? I am on the opposite spectrum of being a communist, essentially... I'm just being a realist.

Your spouting communist rhetoric about economic problems. It has nothing to do with the economy.

I think that you are confusing people being mad at immigrants impacting financially that lead to issues like feelings of disenfranchised that lead to violence with race.

No I'm not.

There are nice black people and bad black people just as there are with white people and brown people and green people. You don't like them because of their skin colour, but that is on you.

This is so pathetic and superficial. Is this really all you have?

I don't care whether people are nice. Their skin colour is an issue because it means they are not the same race or culture. It means they are different races and different cultures. If they exist within my nation, it means they are undermining it.

I clearly do. I never said Islam was only a religion. I knew as I was tying it that you would take it that way. Islam is as cultural as Christianity... it is a code by which people live. Same with Hindus and Buddhists. The religion defines their culture. Differentiate please. The aspect here is not one of culture. The issue here is one of religion. We could live the same as Muslims, eat the same foods, all the cultural aspects of Islam, etc. and they would still want to kill us due to religious reasons since we do not subscribe to the same God. So I clearly understand this better than you...

Islam and its culture are antithetical to the establishment of a pan-Germanic, National Socialist nation. End of story.
 
Then your example is redundant.



Racism isn't created because someone decided to be racist. Reality creates ideas, not the other way around.



Reality is not created by ideas. Ideas are created by reality. I don't create oranges by thinking they exist.



But this issue has nothing to do with whether they are nice or are able to make phone calls to the police.



Yes, but I don't think you do.

The problem of racial integration is not at all comparable to a neighbour playing music loudly. Their existence in my community demonstrates an attack on my culture. Having a black family or Jews or Muslims move into my community means that my community is no longer controlled by the indigenous people who live in. It now takes on a different characteristic, of which the indigenous population had no choice. I don't want people of other races and other cultures living in my country; using it to undermine my culture and race as well as using its resources, because I want to create a pan-Germanic, National Socialist nation.

My country is for my countrymen. Our culture and race should be the only culture and race in the country and by establishing that we can truly find peace and prosperity.



That's just incredibly naive.



I'm not asking "why", I'm asking how. How does racist violence manifest itself as far as you are concerned?



Your spouting communist rhetoric about economic problems. It has nothing to do with the economy.



No I'm not.



This is so pathetic and superficial. Is this really all you have?

I don't care whether people are nice. Their skin colour is an issue because it means they are not the same race or culture. It means they are different races and different cultures. If they exist within my nation, it means they are undermining it.



Islam and its culture are antithetical to the establishment of a pan-Germanic, National Socialist nation. End of story.


You're a very immoral person. You must be a very twisted and immoral person to openly admit that you are a Nazi.
 
Unfortunately for you, lebensraum continues to be an aspiration of many of your Nazi brethren. I suspect that program will be carried out. Even if it wasn't, it makes little difference to the problem at hand. At the end of the day, its not just the millions of jews and blacks and muslims. Its the slavs aswell and other non-Aryans.

A pan-Germanic National Socialist nation would be stretch from Iceland to Germany and include, the Faroe Islands, the UK, The Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Danmark, Switzerland and Austria. We have no need of any other "space".

Is this you showing your tolerant side? :roll:

That doesn't make any sense.

Its a perfect discription

Yeah, if you're a school child.

sustain living standards?

For millions of people, sure, but that's rectifiable.

You undermine revolts?

What?
 
Hilter's final solution was misguided and ultimately failed. If Putsch is indeed a Nazi he might need to remember that. Social engineering is not a bad thing. It is a good thing. It just has to be handled skillfully. Hitler didn't do this and thus the historical results.
 
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I do not believe that ideas create reality; I believe that reality creates ideas.

Are you saying you believe ideas do not have an effect on human behavior? That is all I was saying.
 
Racism isn't created because someone decided to be racist. Reality creates ideas, not the other way around.

Reality is not created by ideas. Ideas are created by reality. I don't create oranges by thinking they exist.

rac·ism noun \ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi-\
Definition of RACISM

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination


Racism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Does that help?

Also, an idea is not comparable to an orange since an orange is tangible and an idea is not. An idea is a human, or cultural, construct and an orange is a natural construct. Not comparable at all. Reality is that the orange is there. Reality is that black and white people are standing next to each other. Reality is that they are both humans that derived from a common ancestry. Reality is that there is no difference between the black man and the white man in terms of being human. Reality is that racism is a cultural construct. Reality is that without you thinking about race being a factor, it wouldn't be a factor.

But this issue has nothing to do with whether they are nice or are able to make phone calls to the police.

It has everything to do with if they are nice or not, for lack of a better term. If every person was nice, and all that, and got along, then race is irrelevant. You simply don't understand this EXTREMELY simple concept. Kids get this. Watch kids of different races, they just play or don't play with each other and it has nothing to do with an adult human construct/idea such a the color of their skin. Thinking otherwise is literally stupid.

Yes, but I don't think you do.

The problem of racial integration is not at all comparable to a neighbour playing music loudly. Their existence in my community demonstrates an attack on my culture. Having a black family or Jews or Muslims move into my community means that my community is no longer controlled by the indigenous people who live in. It now takes on a different characteristic, of which the indigenous population had no choice. I don't want people of other races and other cultures living in my country; using it to undermine my culture and race as well as using its resources, because I want to create a pan-Germanic, National Socialist nation.

My country is for my countrymen. Our culture and race should be the only culture and race in the country and by establishing that we can truly find peace and prosperity.

Why? You still have not stated how having different races living together determines that the country can not have peace and prosperity.

That's just incredibly naive.

Actually, I would claim that I was extremely insightful and wise if it wasn't just so ****ing simple... the fact that you are either unwilling or unable to understand this simple concept is mind blowing.

I'm not asking "why", I'm asking how. How does racist violence manifest itself as far as you are concerned?

The violence can happen by violent people. What about this is so hard to grasp? Violent people are violent. Racist people are racist. Peaceful people are peaceful. There is nothing inherent about any one race of people that predetermines how they will act. Violence is what violent people do when they can't think of anything else to do or if they feel they have no other choice.

Your spouting communist rhetoric about economic problems. It has nothing to do with the economy.

Apparently you don't know much about communism. Jeez... I just said that many of the problems that you seem to be attributing to race are really about people being poor. That can happen in any economic system, bud.

No I'm not.

uh... yes, you are.

This is so pathetic and superficial. Is this really all you have?

I have said a lot more, you just don't seem to be able or willing to understand... so, no... that ain't all I got. Thinking that is it is what is pathetic.

I don't care whether people are nice. Their skin colour is an issue because it means they are not the same race or culture. It means they are different races and different cultures. If they exist within my nation, it means they are undermining it.

Says a lot. You would rather have a violent, hateful group of Germanic people in which the rape of women is constant, molestation of children is constant, murders, theft and corruption are constant instead of having a mixed group of nice, caring and helpful people in which none of those issues occur? Really, that is what you are saying after scraping off all the nationalistic crap.

Islam and its culture are antithetical to the establishment of a pan-Germanic, National Socialist nation. End of story.

Agreed...
 
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