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Beck Mocks a Plea for Civility

mertex said:
Really, you are comparing the joke that Obama was making to a crowd that was obviously laughing (you can hear them), to the Beck's rant?
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Um....radio shows don't have audiences, dear. Anyone who takes everything Glenn Beck says seriously needs their head examined. ;)
 
Mellie said:
So what's the problem? lol
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The two deaths aren't the problem, although in my opinion I think Becks is a little more disturbing but it doesn't mean anything. The problem is how people listen to Beck as if he only speaks the truth when in fact 75% of what he says is opinion, and its my opinion that his opinion is extremely irrational. Personally I think it would actually be very hard to find a place where Beck outright lied without question, I'm sure he has a huge staff who makes sure every fact he uses is true, its his conclusion based on those facts which are just crazy.

For example if we were talking about a speed limits and watched a car drive past we could all agree that its a fact that its moving at 75 Mphs, assuming thats its speed. However one person may have opinion that 75mph is too fast for US highways, another may say its just fine, and anyone may say its ok in some areas but not all. THose are all reasonable opinions and they are all based on the same fact. Beck would be a person who says while the car is moving 75mphs the speed limit should be 200 mphs and the 75mph speed limit on some highways is the action of a nanny/police state which wants to control all our lives.

His opinion is still based on the same fact but he makes conclusions which are totally irrational and not in anyway supported by that fact. Whereas the other people's opinions are based on watching the car and only extend to speed limits, Beck would make conclusions in on things based on a fact but in no way connected to that fact.
 
Beck exaggerates to high hell and is a horrible source of information. That being said, the civility plea on behalf of liberals is a farse. Not only do they not care for it in their own behavior, it is mostly a fruitless and meaningless affair to begin with. Our dialogue is quite tame in comparison to previous eras in just the past century. There is no need to curb it.
 
whysoserious said:
Could be is quite vague. I think the first amendment is beckoning you to read it.
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No, I think the the 1st amendment is beckoning me along with Beck, and others to make sure this pant****ter B.S. is out in the open from people like Pivens, and Van Jones. Pivens can use her 1st amendment rights and so can we right, or?
 
Awesome! said:
No, just leftist morons who advocate taking it to the streets...
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What about rightwing morons who advocate taking it to the streets. Do they get a pass?
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
What about rightwing morons who advocate taking it to the streets. Do they get a pass?
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I believe what he meant by "taking it to the streets", was the advocating of protests that involve violence and civil disobiedience... Therefore, I believe your question is invalid because as far as I know, there aren't any rightwingers that advocate such behavior.
 
Grim17 said:
I believe what he meant by "taking it to the streets", was the advocating of protests that involve violence and civil disobiedience... Therefore, I believe your question is invalid because as far as I know, there aren't any rightwingers that advocate such behavior.
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"Don't retreat, reload".

The slogan of the Tea Party's leader is saying shoot instead of turning around and going the other way. Words are open to interpretation, so while you and I might agree that she is probably using it as a metaphor, obviously some people are not as quick on their feet as we are.
 
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Tucker Case said:
So basically, it's OK for her to receive death threats because she's a Russian-Jewish Marxist from canada, and those people deserve to die or exiled, or, at the very least, threatened for their views. :lol:
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Here comes one trick Tucker with his "spin to Hypocritical" shtick!

It's not okay for anyone to receive death threats. However, to claim Beck is inciting death threats is silly. He often reiterates that for him, violence is NEVER the answer. But let's ignore that while you do your thing.

/sits back and watches Tucker ride his old worn out pony some more.
 
whysoserious said:
"Don't retreat, reload".

The slogan of the Tea Party's leader is saying shoot instead of turning around and going the other way. Words are open to interpretation, so while you and I might agree that she is probably using it as a metaphor, obviously some people are not as quick on their feet as we are.
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LOL.

That's a stretch. Palin, talking about not backing down on principles and standing for your rights and pressuring the GOP to stay conservative does not equal gun violence.

Amusing how far you people will stretch things.
 
whysoserious said:
"Don't retreat, reload".

The slogan of the Tea Party's leader is saying shoot instead of turning around and going the other way. Words are open to interpretation, so while you and I might agree that she is probably using it as a metaphor, obviously some people are not as quick on their feet as we are.
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Sure... That's exactly what was meant by that statement... It was a direct order to all Tea Party people to shoot their guns at the opposition, and no matter what they might come back at them with, they need to reload their weapons and shoot them some more.

LMMFAO... and you people claim to be the "intellectuals" of our society... :2rofll:

:rofl
 
Grim17 said:
I believe what he meant by "taking it to the streets", was the advocating of protests that involve violence and civil disobiedience... Therefore, I believe your question is invalid because as far as I know, there aren't any rightwingers that advocate such behavior.
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I don't know Grim. I would say that those of some militant militias advocate violence and civil disobedience. Those groups would certainly be right wing. So, my question is certainly valid.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I don't know Grim. I would say that those of some militant militias advocate violence and civil disobedience. Those groups would certainly be right wing. So, my question is certainly valid.
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Those are very isolated, radical fringe groups that don't represent mainstream political conservatism... Those people are anti-government anarchists, and they scare me as much as hard core communist do.

You may consider people like Piven and Van Jones in the same way, as being part of the fringe, because they are radicals that believe in revolution and advocate violence as a means to bring about political change. Even if that's the case, there is one major difference between people like them on the political left, and the militant militias on the political right... The difference is those militant militias may in fact claim to support political conservatives, but political conservatives sure as hell don't claim to support them. You won't see militia leaders dining at the White House, being appointed to cabinet positions, heading up important and influential political organizations, or being praised and/or defended by main stream conservatives or republicans in DC. The same doesn't hold true for people like Piven and Jones. They are honored and praised by main stream liberals, and are often appointed to important positions within the government, or positions in powerful political organizations that carry considerable clout in Washington.

Conservatives want nothing to do with the radicals on the far right that believe in violence, revolution and anarchy, and go to great lengths to distance themselves from them. I just wish that democrats and main stream liberals would do the same, instead of embracing them as heroes to their cause.
 
MrVicchio said:
Here comes one trick Tucker with his "spin to Hypocritical" shtick!

It's not okay for anyone to receive death threats. However, to claim Beck is inciting death threats is silly. He often reiterates that for him, violence is NEVER the answer. But let's ignore that while you do your thing.

/sits back and watches Tucker ride his old worn out pony some more.
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Listen, just becuase you are a liberal-in-denial and that often leads you to have some of the most hypocritical positions of anyone I have ever encountered here at DP, doesn't mean you should get mad at the messenger who tries to get you to embrace your liberal beliefs.

Hell, the fact that you get pissy when your hypocricy is exposed instead of acting like a conservative and taking personal responsibility is proof enough of your liberalism, no?

I'm trying to do you a favor when I point out the hypocricy of your positions, Vic. I want you to be strong enough to embrace who you really are, my liberal friend. I have faith in you. You don't have to face this alone.
 
Tucker Case said:
Listen, just becuase you are a liberal-in-denial
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Aww aren't you cute. I read vague's rant too. You always were an unoriginal follower.

Tucker Case said:
and that often leads you to have some of the most hypocritical positions of anyone I have ever encountered here at DP
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Cite a few instead of making claims you can't back up kiddo.
Tucker Case said:
, doesn't mean you should get mad at the messenger who tries to get you to embrace your liberal beliefs.
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You are so ADORABLE!
Tucker Case said:
Hell, the fact that you get pissy when your hypocricy is exposed instead of acting like a conservative and taking personal responsibility is proof enough of your liberalism, no?
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I don't think those terms, mean what you think they mean.
Tucker Case said:
I'm trying to do you a favor when I point out the hypocricy of your positions, Vic.
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Funny thing is, 90% of the time you do it with spin and strawman to try and score cool points. Then when you get busted for it you get all prissy and try "soft insults, like you are now.

Tucker Case said:
I want you to be strong enough to embrace who you really are, my liberal friend. I have faith in you. You don't have to face this alone.
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You could cite my liberal positions, I'd love for you to do that, really, cite them, with examples.

/sits back and waits for Tucker to make some **** up.
 
pbrauer said:
How would you know if he lied?
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Exactly! He is in deep Kimchi with the Jews, now, let's see how they are going to spin him out of this one!
 
Awesome! said:
Why should anyone be civil to this leftist moron whose writings could be very dangerous?
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Because you have people on the right that are missing a couple of screws, and they think it is a mandate from God to go and kill Liberals.

You don't see that happening on the left - why Beck and other idiots who spew nothing but lies and incite violence don't have to worry about someone on the left taking them out - we have better sense!
 
MrVicchio said:
Aww aren't you cute. I read vague's rant too. You always were an unoriginal follower.
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I didn't read vauge's "rant", but I'll go look for it. Vauge's awesome.

But have you forgotten the time when you put me on ignore up until I became the bartender (and I could no longer be ignored)?

You did that when I pointed out how much of a liberal you were by taking your "throw some government at it, that'll fix it" argumetn against drug legalization and pointed out how it was IDENTICAL to an argument against legal gun ownership. I beleive I simply change the words "drugs" to "guns" in order to do that.

I started trying to get you to embrace your liberal nature way back then.

It's common for those in deep denial to repress memories though. Sad, really.


Cite a few instead of making claims you can't back up kiddo.
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Think back to all of the times you've thrown a hissy fit when I pointed out the hypocricy of your position instead of presenting an argument defending the consistency of your position. Given your assumption that I'm a one-trick pony, that should be every single thread where we've ever debated each other (if you are correct).

In every single instance where I've pointed out your hypocricy, you were being a hypocrite.

Hypocricy is your one-trick pony.

If my one-trick is pointing out hypocricy, then it's going to be obvious that you get pissy with me a lot.

You are so ADORABLE!
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Why thank you! I work out.


I don't think those terms, mean what you think they mean.
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I checked and they do mean what I thought they meant!

Did you have a dream where they meant something different? I know those seem real to you, enough so that you reject the actual reality when they occur, but they aren't real.

For example, that one the other night where you were playing with some of your old navy buddies and you ended up wakling up all wet? Didn't actually happen. That was called a nocturnal emmision, sweetie.

Funny thing is, 90% of the time you do it with spin and strawman to try and score cool points.
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See, that's that liberal mentality coming out again. Embrace it!

All you need to do is create an elaborate conspiracy theory which makes no sense at all that ends up with you being victimized in some way! You do it all the time anyway, you just pretend that you don't! Come out of that Blue-closet, Vic!

Then when you get busted for it you get all prissy and try "soft insults, like you are now.
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I'm not sure why you think I am being "busted" by you explaining what I am doing in those instance wehre I am doing it. I have always acknowledged that yes, I do point out hypocritical positions. It happens a LOT with you, because you have a LOT of hypocritical views.

I've only disagreed with your assesment that it's my "one-trick".

I've actually proven that it wasn't before with you, but unfortunately acknowledging that would require you to acknowledge reality, and since THAT ain't going to happen any time soon (despite my sincere efforts to get you to embrace your liberalism), I guess I'll just have to accept that you will believe whatever nonsense you choose to believe regardless of the facts.

:shrug:



You could cite my liberal positions, I'd love for you to do that, really, cite them, with examples.
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Unfortunately, you don't understand that they are liberal because you are in such extreme denial. Liebral and conservative don't mean the stances taken on individual issues. It's the underlying principles that define the two.

You use liberal reasoning to obtain your views on the issues, even if they seem to be conservative on the surface.

That's why your views are so hypcritical. The arguments you use to denounce a position you agree with can be used by others to denounce th epositions you do agree with, but through some mental acrobatics, attempts to dstricts from that realit, and a hefty dose of denial, you manage to convince yourself that when you do it, it's not the same.

I'm here to help you realize your true self, Vic.

I'm trying to get you off of that terrible trolly that keeps bringing you back to the neighborhood of make-believe.

I know you can do it.
 
MrVicchio said:
LOL.

That's a stretch. Palin, talking about not backing down on principles and standing for your rights and pressuring the GOP to stay conservative does not equal gun violence.

Amusing how far you people will stretch things.
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Again, its not my fault she chose a violent metaphor.
 
Tucker Case said:
I didn't read vauge's "rant", but I'll go look for it. Vauge's awesome.
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sure you didn't. You just HAPPEN to take his "I'm really a liberal bit" on the same day, and after he posts that. I don't think so.
Tucker Case said:
But have you forgotten the time when you put me on ignore up until I became the bartender (and I could no longer be ignored)?
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It lasted a week. A week because I couldn't stand having the thought of someone on my ignore list.

Tucker Case said:
You did that when I pointed out how much of a liberal you were by taking your "throw some government at it, that'll fix it" argumetn against drug legalization and pointed out how it was IDENTICAL to an argument against legal gun ownership. I beleive I simply change the words "drugs" to "guns" in order to do that.
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You made a non-seniscal commentary and were doing your usual waste of our time shtick.
Tucker Case said:
I started trying to get you to embrace your liberal nature way back then.
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No, you merely showed your pony for the first time.
Tucker Case said:
It's common for those in deep denial to repress memories though. Sad, really.
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It's worse when people make **** up and then pretend their made up reality counted for something.



Tucker Case said:
Think back to all of the times you've thrown a hissy fit when I pointed out the hypocricy of your position instead of presenting an argument defending the consistency of your position. Given your assumption that I'm a one-trick pony, that should be every single thread where we've ever debated each other (if you are correct).
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Note that Tucker cannot actually PRODUCE anything, just ramble on about his supposed pointing out of my hypocrisy.
Tucker Case said:
In every single instance where I've pointed out your hypocricy, you were being a hypocrite.
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Yet you cannot produce one actual link and example. Interesting.
Tucker Case said:
Hypocricy is your one-trick pony.
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Laughable.
Tucker Case said:
If my one-trick is pointing out hypocricy, then it's going to be obvious that you get pissy with me a lot.
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If only you could find a single instance of this and show us all...

Tucker Case said:
Why thank you! I work out.
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With oyur nose in the admins rear? It shows.


Tucker Case said:
I checked and they do mean what I thought they meant!
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Check with a source that doesn't include your own delusions.
Tucker Case said:
Did you have a dream where they meant something different? I know those seem real to you, enough so that you reject the actual reality when they occur, but they aren't real.

For example, that one the other night where you were playing with some of your old navy buddies and you ended up wakling up all wet? Didn't actually happen. That was called a nocturnal emmision, sweetie.
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See, now here's Tucker trying to deflect the situation and making insidious insinuations. This is par for the course for him.

Tucker Case said:
See, that's that liberal mentality coming out again. Embrace it!
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Still waiting for your examples, oh that's right YOU DON'T HAVE ANY!
Tucker Case said:
All you need to do is create an elaborate conspiracy theory which makes no sense at all that ends up with you being victimized in some way! You do it all the time anyway, you just pretend that you don't! Come out of that Blue-closet, Vic!
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:blink: Now you're just reaching.

Tucker Case said:
I'm not sure why you think I am being "busted" by you explaining what I am doing in those instance wehre I am doing it. I have always acknowledged that yes, I do point out hypocritical positions. It happens a LOT with you, because you have a LOT of hypocritical views.

I've only disagreed with your assesment that it's my "one-trick".

I've actually proven that it wasn't before with you, but unfortunately acknowledging that would require you to acknowledge reality, and since THAT ain't going to happen any time soon (despite my sincere efforts to get you to embrace your liberalism), I guess I'll just have to accept that you will believe whatever nonsense you choose to believe regardless of the facts.

:shrug:
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I asked for some examples, so we could all see what you are talking about, not just take your rantings at face value.



Tucker Case said:
Unfortunately, you don't understand that they are liberal because you are in such extreme denial. Liebral and conservative don't mean the stances taken on individual issues. It's the underlying principles that define the two.

You use liberal reasoning to obtain your views on the issues, even if they seem to be conservative on the surface.

That's why your views are so hypcritical. The arguments you use to denounce a position you agree with can be used by others to denounce th epositions you do agree with, but through some mental acrobatics, attempts to dstricts from that realit, and a hefty dose of denial, you manage to convince yourself that when you do it, it's not the same.

I'm here to help you realize your true self, Vic.

I'm trying to get you off of that terrible trolly that keeps bringing you back to the neighborhood of make-believe.

I know you can do it.
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You're almost a waste of time, not quite though. Sometimes taking a moment to mock someone as pretentious as you has it's rewards.
 
MrVicchio said:
sure you didn't. You just HAPPEN to take his "I'm really a liberal bit" on the same day, and after he posts that. I don't think so.
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See, this is how you ignore reality. you are trying to pretend that this somehow started today, or even that there was some other reason for putting me on ignore.

But as you can see form this 2 year old quote, you cite the fact that I call you a liberal as the EXACT reason you put me on ignore.

MrVicchio said:
No Tucker likes to come into threads, and claim I'm making "liberal" arguments, he does it merely for troll factor. Instead of bothering to read his blather it's far simpler to ignore him.
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You are even describing that this is something I had done before that particular instance. Yet now, despite the fact that you know that it is not the case, you try to PRETEND that I'm only doing this now in response to Vauge calling you out for being a liebral too.

Just because both of us are accurately describing you as a liberal doesn't mean that we got the idea form each other. It's actually because you are a liberal.

Stop playing the victim.

You made a non-seniscal commentary and were doing your usual waste of our time shtick.
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Actually, I did precisely what I claimed. You even said as much in response to being called out for trying to ignroe that which you cannot face.

but in case you want to do your usual thing and pretend it didn't happen exactly as I claim it did, look here:

Tucker Case said:
Such a Liberal argument, Vicchio.

Alernative examlpe of this liberal argument is:

Guns are bad. The problem with the war on guns is that people are too freaking stupid to figure that out. They wanna be cool, hollywood extolls it, rappers extoll it...

Smart Folks don't touch guns.





This message brought to you by the Tucker Case Foundation, A foundation that is hellbent on pointing out liberals who call themselves "conservative" for many years. ;)
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It happened exactly as I described it. Your denial has gotten even worse in the ensuing years, but as anyone can see, it's been more than 2 years since I started my quest to get you to embrace your liberal nature, and I'm not going to give up on you.

Despite all of the evidence which says you will never accept reality, no matter how intellectually dishonest you get, no matter how hypocritical your every view is, I will always have faith that you can be saved.

:2wave:
 
We all know your problem stems from the fact you are pro-drugs, I'm am not. So you attempt to mock and goad me with your faulty logic.
 
MrVicchio said:
We all know your problem stems from the fact you are pro-drugs, I'm am not. So you attempt to mock and goad me with your faulty logic.
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Come now, you know I'm not pro-drugs. Can't stand them.

You can remain in denial without trying to pretend I'm on drugs, can't you?
 
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