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Beck Mocks a Plea for Civility

You mean as he did with Michael Moore?



It's amazing how so many Republicans/conservatives, and those that claim they are not Republican/conservatives, but come to the defense of the Republicans/conservatives don't seem to think there is nothing wrong with Beck's rants? Has their morality sunk that low? It sure seems so.


If Beck threatened to kill Micahel Moore, then Obama threatened the Jonas Brothers with murder.

 
My God... You're talking about the NY Times here... They love progressives like her, and she did write it with her late husband.

He did... In fact he has talked about that plan several times over the last 2 years. What brought her back onto Beck's radar screen was a recent video of her calling for the unemployed to stage protests, and saying that adopting the tactics that Greek protesters have been using might be a good strategy. In other words, she was saying that violent protests might be a good idea.

His content drives the left crazy, because he uses peoples own words to expose who they are and what they believe in.

Ya the NY Times is liberal leaning, especially their opinions section, but if I'm going to believe there's a creditable threat of the US government being overthrown I'm going to have to hear it from someone who doesn't make conspiracy theories, sells emotional reaction, and uses puppets as illustrations of his points.

His content does drive those on the left crazy sometimes, heck it drives me crazy and I'm not even part of the left. And the same words make many on the right get wet between their legs, and for both reasons people watch and give him attention which gets him money along with the feeling of being a prophet.

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Che and Wilson? Really come on. Calling Nazism the foundations of the progressive movement? Its too much for me to take the man seriously.
 
Actually he says Nazis got some of their ideas from American progressives....
 
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If Beck threatened to kill Micahel Moore, then Obama threatened the Jonas Brothers with murder.



Not I'm saying Glenn Beck was actually advocating for anyone to kill Michael Moore, but you need to become more familar with the meanings behind "context" and "tone" when someone says something.
 
Not I'm saying Glenn Beck was actually advocating for anyone to kill Michael Moore, but you need to become more familar with the meanings behind "context" and "tone" when someone says something.

Yes, context is key. They were both jokes....obviously.
 
Actually he says Nazis got their ideas from American progressives....

Right my mistake. But still its no better and equally ridiculous. AND even if some early 1900s progressives were using tactics later used by Nazis, and heck lets even assume those tactics were only used by either those progressives or nazis, he still uses it as an attempt to tie in all sorts of unrelated people and groups as if they share equal guilt.
 
Yes, context is key. They were both jokes....obviously.

Maybe to you, but one sounded a lot less like a joke to me and to a whole lot of other people. I get a feeling if I got behind a mic and said those two statements, one would be found a whole lot more offensive and potentially serious than the other.
 
Maybe to you, but one sounded a lot less like a joke to me and to a whole lot of other people.

Probably because you've developed a prejudice against Beck. You disbelieve anything he says unless it makes him look bad.
 
Probably because you've developed a prejudice against Beck. You disbelieve anything he says unless it makes him look bad.

Its not a prejudice if I've formed my opinion based on watching the man and his material, but really how can you expect me to take this man seriously?
 
Its not a prejudice if I've formed my opinion based on watching the man and his material, but really how can you expect me to take this man seriously?

Perfect. So you agree that the comment about killing Micahel Moore can't be taken seriously. :)
 
Perfect. So you agree that the comment about killing Micahel Moore can't be taken seriously. :)

Ya I didn't say it should be... In fact I actually said "Im not saying Beck is advocating the killing of Michael Moore."
 
Ya I didn't say it should be... In fact I actually said "Im not saying Beck is advocating the killing of Michael Moore."

So what's the problem? lol
 
Ya the NY Times is liberal leaning, especially their opinions section, but if I'm going to believe there's a creditable threat of the US government being overthrown I'm going to have to hear it from someone who doesn't make conspiracy theories, sells emotional reaction, and uses puppets as illustrations of his points.

I think maybe you have the wrong idea of what Piven wrote about. She and her husband didn't write about a violent overthrow of the U.S. government, they wrote a strategy to cause the economic collapse of the government, which would bring about the opportunity for progressives/socialists to seize power.

Che and Wilson? Really come on. Calling Nazism the foundations of the progressive movement? Its too much for me to take the man seriously.

Beck has never said that... The progressive movement in America was around many years before the Nazi movement was ever heard of. Even that graphic you posted makes no reference to Nazi's. Also, putting Che and Wilson on that board wasn't to say that they were alike, just that they both have roots in the progressive/socialist movement. Wilson is the one who laid the path for Roosevelt's movement toward socialism, and from what I've learned about him, he was a pretty nasty SOB.
 
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Beck didn't lie about Piven. Twist and spin all you want, but you're not fooling me, or anyone else with a lick of common sense.
Just because you are one of his followers who hangs on his every word doesn't mean that Beck doesn't lie. He has lied before and continues.

Surely Beck thought that nearly fifty broadcasts worth of inflammatory disinformation and hate-mongering about Piven and their inevitable result—hate mail, comments and phone calls that range from brutally nasty and paranoid to those that cross the line into the genuine death threat category—would shut her up.
But Beck was wrong. Yes, Piven finally called the New York State troopers last Friday, but that was only after a fresh wave of death threats. And some of her friends are reaching out to the Manhattan District Attorney’s office and the FBI to see if there’s anything they can do. (After all, those e-mailed death threats may be anonymous, but ISPs can be traced.) But she’s not shutting up or going away. And she sees right through Beck and his ilk.
Beck’s biggest corporate supporter, of course, is Fox News, whose very business model relies on false, inflammatory attacks. Hell, let some lefty like Vince Warren of the Center for Constitutional Rights talk about how “Fox has a moral responsibility to make sure their employees are reporting the news accurately and are not inciting violent reactions to the subjects of their commentary.” The lock-and-load-‘cause-they’re-coming-to-get-you attitude that fuels Fox’s commentators and feeds their base keeps ratings high and revenues flowing. (Full disclosure: I've done consulting work for CCR.)
Frances Fox Piven Is Way Tougher Than Glenn Beck - Yahoo! News
 
Just because you are one of his followers who hangs on his every word doesn't mean that Beck doesn't lie. He has lied before and continues.

Show me where he has lied about Ms. Piven, since that is the topic of this thread.
 
Never. I am a communist. Not a liberal. I'm as far left as it gets.

Let's talk about that sig of yours... Well, at least one part of it:

Long live all that strive for global equality, past or present, deceased or still fighting. Long live Socialism, Long live Lenin, Long live the Commonwealth, Long live humanity.

About Lenin.... Here's some of the wonderful things he was responsible for:

• The execution (without trial) of tens of thousands of hostages and prisoners and the murder of hundreds of thousands of workers and peasants in Russia from 1918 to 1922.

• Deliberately destroying all food and crops so as to starve to death 5 million people in Russia in 1922.

•The extermination of the Cossacks in 1920.

Great guy there... I can see you're proud.
 
If Beck threatened to kill Micahel Moore, then Obama threatened the Jonas Brothers with murder.

Really, you are comparing the joke that Obama was making to a crowd that was obviously laughing (you can hear them), to the Beck's rant?

That is the problem with Reps/Cons, whenever someone points out to them something that appears inappropriate or threatening or discourteous, they try and make a comparison with something the left has done. Only their comparisons are so lame as to make one laugh.

If you really believe that Obama's joke can be compared to Beck's irresponsible comments about wanting to kill Moore, a head examination is most needed.
 
Show me where he has lied about Ms. Piven, since that is the topic of this thread.

Are you ignoring all the articles I've quoted?

Well, here is another one:

As recently as Monday, Beck devoted over seven minutes of his TV show to Piven, repeatedly calling her an "enemy of the Constitution" due to an article she wrote for The Nation in which she praised the demonstrations and civil disobedience that occurred in Britain and Greece in the past few months.

Just because someone praises demonstrations does not make one an enemy of the Constitution.
If that is the case then the Tea Partiers and all that praise their demonstrations are enemies of the Constitution.


He also included her in a pledge that he asked members of Congress to sign following the Arizona shootings. In it, he compared her to a violent, far-right militia whose members are now in jail for conspiring to overthrow the U.S. government.
Glenn Beck Target Frances Fox Piven Gets Death Threats
Does he have any proof that she is conspiring to overthrow the US Government?
If you do, post it, otherwise Beck is just a lying scumbag.
 
Beck didn't lie about Piven. Twist and spin all you want, but you're not fooling me, or anyone else with a lick of common sense.

How would you know if he lied?
 
Why should anyone be civil to this leftist moron whose writings could be very dangerous?
 
Why should anyone be civil to this leftist moron whose writings could be very dangerous?

So, are you saying that anyone's writings that could be dangerous, should be treated uncivilly?
 
Are you ignoring all the articles I've quoted?

Well, here is another one:

As recently as Monday, Beck devoted over seven minutes of his TV show to Piven, repeatedly calling her an "enemy of the Constitution" due to an article she wrote for The Nation in which she praised the demonstrations and civil disobedience that occurred in Britain and Greece in the past few months.

How about we take a look at the transcript from that show, which I found from the article you linked to:

GLENN BECK, HOST: I want to start here with the definition of the word "enemy." We looked it up in the dictionary.

The dictionary defines the word "enemy" as one that is "antagonistic to another, especially one seeking to injure, overthrow or confound an opponent." Got it? So if you raise your hand and promise to protect and defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic, for the Constitution, who would the enemy be? One that is antagonistic to it, especially one seeking to injure, overthrow or confound it.

Got it?

So not people who want to update it or change it, because our Founders allowed for that. You're not an enemy if you want to do that. If you want to injure, overthrow or confound it, yes. Oppose? No. You don't like the Constitution the way it stands? Great, it's fine. It makes you a Founder, not an enemy. As long as you want to change it through the methods that the Constitution sets up. It's the amendment process. Just because someone praises demonstrations does not make one an enemy of the Constitution.
If that is the case then the Tea Partiers and all that praise their demonstrations are enemies of the Constitution.

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You are an enemy if you want violence on the street, because violence will lead to overthrowing the Constitution. It's really terrorism -- that's what it is. If you use violence to get the government to collapse something or change their minds, that is terror. And isn't that what we're seeing on the streets of Greece? It's terrorism.

Are you starting to get it yet?

Well, let's quote some more from the show, and see if becomes a bit more clear to you:

So let's start with the enemies of the Constitution as defined, the word "enemy" as defined here by the dictionary.

And I want to take a look again at Frances Fox Piven, because we could take the metal detector and try to find some history of violence with Rush Limbaugh, but you're not going to find it.

What you are going to find is Frances Fox Piven's article. Remember, she should know who she is dealing with here. Piven's article in The Nation came out earlier in month. And I want to go over -- I want to go over some important parts. She said -- and we've gone over some of this -- "So where are the angry crowds, the demonstrations, the sit-ins, and the unruly mobs? After all, the injustice is apparent."

Unruly mobs, like in Greece.

She goes on to say, "Mass protest might change the president's posture if they succeeded in pressing him hard from his base, something that hasn't happened so far in this administration" -- suggesting get out into the streets.

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Then she says, "Second, before the people can mobilize for collective action, they have to develop a proud and angry identity."

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She goes on, "An effective movement of the employed would look something like the strikes and riots that has spread across Greece and in response to the austerity measures forced on the Greek government by the European Union or like the student protest that recently spread with lightning speed across England in response to the prospect of greatly increased school fees."

You have it? It's not, hey, let's get together in the Tea Party. She's saying it should look like the video I showed you in Greece.

Is that not inciting riots? Is that not asking for violence? Is this not outlining and how to make it happen?

Our constitution has set forth ways for people to enact laws or change existing ones, none of which involve using violence in protests or attempting to bring about the financial collapse of the US Government... Both of which, Ms. Piven is a proponant of.

Beck was right on target.


Glenn Beck Target Frances Fox Piven Gets Death Threats
Does he have any proof that she is conspiring to overthrow the US Government?
If you do, post it, otherwise Beck is just a lying scumbag.

I have never said, nor has Beck, that Ms. Piven was conspiring to overthrow the US government... So who is the lying scumbag now?

Maybe you're referring to Beck's pledge for congress where he mentioned Ms. Piven:

• I denounce violent threats and calls for the destruction of our system – regardless of their underlying ideology – whether they come from the Hutaree Militia or Frances Fox Piven​

The "violent threats" would be the Hutaree Militia, and the "destruction of our system" would be Ms. Piven.

A little common sense goes a long way, unless you are out to attack someone you disagree with... Then it only gets in the way... Right?
 
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Only that ass of a man Beck would do something like that. I really hate him. With a passion. I would punch him if I was given the opportunity.

Gee did you just threaten Beck on a message board the way posters threatened Piven on Blaze? Maybe you didn't threaten to kill him, but the hating with a passion and wanting to punch him is a little extreme.
 
Just because someone praises demonstrations does not make one an enemy of the Constitution.
If that is the case then the Tea Partiers and all that praise their demonstrations are enemies of the Constitution.

I can't believe I didn't dawn on me last night, that I had read exactly the same words from someone else, as the ones I just quoted from you mertex... In fact, here they are:

Glenn Beck said:
Just because someone praises demonstrations does not make one an enemy of the Constitution.
If that is the case then the Tea Partiers and all that praise their demonstrations are enemies of the Constitution.

Congradulations... You and Glenn Beck obviously think alike.

Frances Fox Piven and Enemies of the U.S. Constitution - FOXNews.com
 
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