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Tucson Memorial

Jetboogieman said:
I can see how the tone of the crowd might irk some of you.

Certainly I have heard there was some jeering at some of the speakers "Get on with it..." and so on. That's not acceptable.

However, it's a small community, and in the context of my life, I see it as a positive. In many of the African cultures, it is practice, to sing and dance and celebrate that persons life.

One cannot decide how a memorial should be conducted. Often within indviduals there are many conflicting emotions at that time. Sometimes you want to laugh during a funeral because someone reminds you of a funny thing the deceased did... sometimes you wanna cry. It's all relative.
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Within the first few minutes I was thinking: "this is a pep rally". They sold t-shirts, for **** sake!
 
First off parts of the speech were good and It was encouraging to hear some scripture quotations. Not surprising Obama did well since this is what he does best. If he could only govern with a teleprompter.... he'd be the best ever! The speech was way to long... probably because he loves hearing himself talk... especially on network TV. This guys had more TV time in 2 yrs than Regis has in 50.

Not surprising this "memorial" service was held in a college gym instead of a church considering who was running the show. What in the world was the Indian talking about?? Creepy crawling and on and on... I guess he got extra time because no teepee was big enough for service??
 
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Jetboogieman said:
What are you confused about?
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I'm confused how the job killingist president in history can say something like that, and mean, or at least expect to be taken seriously. American may be confused about the same thing, or maybe not, I dunno.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
I have to say that I admire you for keeping your partisan politics asi...
Oh wait... nevermind.
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So, any opinion I have, is automatically, "partisan poilitcs"?

Did I say anything about the political figures that were there, or post any critique about Obama's speech?

What about the Libbos that are praising Obama's speech? Are they being partisan? I doubt you would think so, but you can't deny that Obama could farted that speech and most Libbos would have thought it was a great speech.
 
Jetboogieman said:
What are you confused about?
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What are the expectations of children? And before you answer, make sure you have children....because otherwise you won't know the answer.
 
apdst said:
I'm confused how the job killingist president in history can say something like that, and mean, or at least expect to be taken seriously. American may be confused about the same thing, or maybe not, I dunno.
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It's a bull**** statement....it's only there to pull heart strings. It wouldn't pass close scrutiny.
 
apdst said:
So, any opinion I have, is automatically, "partisan poilitcs"?

Did I say anything about the political figures that were there, or post any critique about Obama's speech?

What about the Libbos that are praising Obama's speech? Are they being partisan? I doubt you would think so, but you can't deny that Obama could farted that speech and most Libbos would have thought it was a great speech.
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I don't really categorize everything in terms of Libbos vs. Connos (?), so I really can't help you there.
 
American said:
What are the expectations of children? …
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The full context was this.

“And I believe that for all our imperfections, we are full of decency and goodness, and that the forces that divide us are not as strong as those that unite us.

“That's what I believe, in part because that's what a child like Christina Taylor Green believed.

“Imagine -- imagine for a moment, here was a young girl who was just becoming aware of our democracy; just beginning to understand the obligations of citizenship; just starting to glimpse the fact that some day she, too, might play a part in shaping her nation's future. She had been elected to her student council. She saw public service as something exciting and hopeful. She was off to meet her congresswoman, someone she was sure was good and important and might be a role model. She saw all this through the eyes of a child, undimmed by the cynicism or vitriol that we adults all too often just take for granted.

“I want to live up to her expectations. I want our democracy to be as good as Christina imagined it. I want America to be as good as she imagined it. All of us -- we should do everything we can to make sure this country lives up to our children's expectations.”

— President Obama, Tucson Memorial, January 12, 2011¹​

It's about a murdered child's innocence and what she expected about America and Obama's hope that we do our best that America lives up to her expectations. Hers were normal feelings, fresh, unjaded by the cynicism that comes with disappointment. She was just like any ordinary child whose expectations are full of idealism and pride about the nation they are growing up in.

And, perhaps, that was the most powerful part of Obama's speech: he made each of the victims familiar to us by relating them to people we know in our own lives and thereby helping us to recognize them for the good people they were. He told us that their deaths would not be meaningless if by this horrible event “every one of us strive to be better” and “constantly widen the circle of our concern so that we bequeath the American Dream to future generations.”
 
I get the impression that if President Obama had stretched out his hand and healed the Congresswoman and she walked out of bed and started dancing with him, he would be criticized by many here for partying in a hospital zone and breaking the institutions regulations about such activities.
 
Obama is a great public speaker
 
The speech was fine, I think he said one thing slightly political I raised an eyebrow at...

What I didn't get...

If my wife just opened her eyes, I wouldn't have been there.... Even if the president was speaking on her behalf...


2. the college pep ralley crowd was really odd.... though it toned down...




He did his job, did it well here, though it was almost odd seeing him euoligize the living..... minor though and not his fault...
 
haymarket said:
I get the impression that if President Obama had stretched out his hand and healed the Congresswoman and she walked out of bed and started dancing with him, he would be criticized by many here for partying in a hospital zone and breaking the institutions regulations about such activities.
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Way to amp up the "rhetoric"... is this the tone we all should be taking?
 
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was this a memorial, or a pep rally? more "oddness"......




and OOOPS....


http://www.politico.com/blogs/joshg...dercuts_federal_charge_for_judges_murder.html


I hope this doesn't hinder the prosecution at all.... :doh
 
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Dr_Patrick said:
I don't really categorize everything in terms of Libbos vs. Connos (?), so I really can't help you there.
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So, since I didn't make any criticism of any person in particular, but rather the event as a whole, you should take your accusations of partisan hackery down the road. yes?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
The college kids were amped up for the whole obama show. I don't blame Obama for this.
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Oh no, I hope no one go that impression from me I was laying blame on anyone, it's more a general "The crowd failed IMHO to hold the proper decorum for a Memorial".
 
MrVicchio said:
Oh no, I hope no one go that impression from me I was laying blame on anyone, it's more a general "The crowd failed IMHO to hold the proper decorum for a Memorial".
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yeah they did. not obama's fault for sure, but add that to the free t-shirts to the event. and ODD.... is what comes to mind.
 
haymarket said:
I get the impression that if President Obama had stretched out his hand and healed the Congresswoman and she walked out of bed and started dancing with him, he would be criticized by many here for partying in a hospital zone and breaking the institutions regulations about such activities.
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You're probably disappointed that The Messiah didn't heal Giffords while he was the hospital.
 
MrVicchio said:
Oh no, I hope no one go that impression from me I was laying blame on anyone, it's more a general "The crowd failed IMHO to hold the proper decorum for a Memorial".
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Obama is the center of the universe, as far as the Libbos are concerned. Anything short of praise, is going to be attacked as racism, hateful rhetoric, or partisan hackery. You know that.
 
apdst said:
Obama is the center of the universe, as far as the Libbos are concerned. Anything short of praise, is going to be attacked as racism, hateful rhetoric, or partisan hackery. You know that.
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I identify as a liberal. Obama is not the center of my universe. Ergo, you are wrong. And I'm sure there aremany more liberals who agree with me.
 
repeter said:
I identify as a liberal. Obama is not the center of my universe. Ergo, you are wrong. And I'm sure there aremany more liberals who agree with me.
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Yeah, I bet.
 
Wow I started a nice thread about very nice moments and gestures and then bam, obviously the words of knock off basically knock of the silliness was wasted on some.
 
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