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The Anti-War Movement Likes Obama Despite His War

So if Moore is right – and I have no doubt that he is – then Islamic terrorists don’t want to detonate bombs in Times Square or blow up U.S.-bound airplanes because we have a bill of rights or because they think Brittany Spears should wear a burqa.

But Michael Moore is not just right; he is by implication giving us the key to declaring the war on terror over: GET OUT. Get U.S. troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Get the CIA out of Yemen and Pakistan. Stop the Predator drone attacks. Cease flying the sorties. I’m not sure about Moore, but I would go even further. Close the overseas bases. Bring all the troops home. Retire as the policeman of the world. Discontinue the foreign wars. Halt the spreading of democracy. Freeze the nation building. End the interventionist foreign policy.

What Moore is saying is not new. The CIA calls it blowback. The Bible calls it reaping what you sow.

The terrible truth is that the war on terror creates terrorists. As the great Glenn Greenwald wrote after Faisal Shahzad entered his guilty plea:

The great contradiction of American foreign policy is that the very actions endlessly rationalized as necessary for combating Terrorism – invading, occupying and bombing other countries, limitless interference in the Muslim world, unconditional support for Israeli aggression, vast civil liberties abridgments such as torture, renditions, due-process-free imprisonments – are the very actions that fuel the anti-American hatred which, as the U.S. Government itself has long recognized, is what causes, fuels and exacerbates the Terrorism we’re ostensibly attempting to address.

But never mind what Glenn Greenwald has to say; never mind what Michael Moore has to say, and never mind what Laurence Vance has to say.
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What it does mean – to anyone except red-state fascists, bloodthirsty conservative chickenhawks, Republican armchair warriors, Religious Right warvangelicals, theocon Values Voters, reich-wing nationalists, God and country Christian bumpkins, and other apologists for the U.S. military and its wars – is that maybe, perhaps, possibly there might be something terribly wrong with U.S. foreign policy, as the heroic Ron Paul has pointed out over and over again.

Michael Moore may be a liberal, he may be a hypocrite, he may be wrong on an innumerable number of issues, he may be overweight, he may even have bad breath, but on the subject of why terrorists want to kill us Michael Moore has never been more right.
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Michael Moore Is Right by Laurence M. Vance

Vance must've had a painful time writing this one
 
Another Day, Three More Dead:


KABUL, Afghanistan (Jan. 12, 2011) – Three International Security Assistance Force service members died following an improvised explosive device attack in eastern Afghanistan today.

It is ISAF policy to defer casualty identification procedures to the relevant national authorities.
 
“We are not leaving in 2014,” Biden assured President Hamid Karzai during a news conference in Kabul, insisting that the US was prepared to continue with its military occupation “well beyond 2014.”

Biden, who had previously chastised Karzai for his corruption, praised him today for his “leadership” through nearly a decade of failed NATO military adventures. Karzai, who has recently been condemning the US for killing large numbers of civilians, spent his time praising the US for its “contributions.”
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Biden Vows US to Remain in Afghanistan ‘Well Beyond 2014′ -- News from Antiwar.com

Biden's bloodlust continues
 
Manc Skipper said:
President Obama started a war? Where? When?
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I have the same question about the anti-war demonstrations... Where are they? When? When Congress approved the invasion of Afghanistan and gave that power to Bush, the anti-war demonstrated weekly and those were world wide demonstrations. How many anti-war demonstrations happened in 2010? How much media coverage did they get? How many millions of people did those demonstrations include?
 
What is truly INSANE is how Obama can get a medal of peace while waging war. And people will actually argue for it. To me they are absolutly out of touch from what is real and temporarily insane until they can admit he isn't a man of peace.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
What is truly INSANE is how Obama can get a medal of peace while waging war. And people will actually argue for it. To me they are absolutly out of touch from what is real and temporarily insane until they can admit he isn't a man of peace.
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The Nobel Peace Prize shot it's last amount of credibility with that one... it's now a joke and the people that let it become a joke should be ridiculed for it.
 
Suicide?


KABUL, Afghanistan (Jan. 12, 2011) — An International Security Assistance Force service member died following a non-battle related injury in eastern Afghanistan today.

It is ISAF policy to defer casualty identification procedures to the relevant national authorities.
 
NJ Soldier, Firefighter Killed in Afghanistan
By DAN STAMM
Updated 5:07 PM EST, Thu, Jan 13, 2011


A 23-year-old firefighter from Bordentown, N.J. has died while serving his country in Afghanistan.

A roadside bomb killed U.S. Army Private 1st Class Benjamin Moore Wednesday, the Trentonian reports.

Moore was not only a soldier but also a firefighter with the Hope House Humane Company of Bordentown.

Fellow firefighters confirmed Thursday that Moore was killed and that his family was notified.

NJ Soldier, Firefighter Killed in Afghanistan | NBC Philadelphia
 
Albert Di Salvo said:
NJ Soldier, Firefighter Killed in Afghanistan
By DAN STAMM
Updated 5:07 PM EST, Thu, Jan 13, 2011


A 23-year-old firefighter from Bordentown, N.J. has died while serving his country in Afghanistan.

A roadside bomb killed U.S. Army Private 1st Class Benjamin Moore Wednesday, the Trentonian reports.

Moore was not only a soldier but also a firefighter with the Hope House Humane Company of Bordentown.

Fellow firefighters confirmed Thursday that Moore was killed and that his family was notified.

NJ Soldier, Firefighter Killed in Afghanistan | NBC Philadelphia
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Unfortunately, the media nor the government cares because there's a person with a (D) in the White House.
 
Albert Di Salvo said:
Hitler and Stalin once made common cause for the division of Poland. Then Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin made common cause against Hitler.

ADS will make common cause with the loathesome Michael Moore if that saves even one of those Americans yet destined to die.
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again. we don't want you to 'save' us. we want you to quit your bitching and let us win this war. not a single one of those Americans' didn't enlist or reenlist into a time of war. we know what we are headed for and that's what we chose. don't disrespect that choice by pretending that we are somehow innocent victims controlled by evil forces and in need of "saving".
 
cpwill said:
again. we don't want you to 'save' us. we want you to quit your bitching and let us win this war. not a single one of those Americans' didn't enlist or reenlist into a time of war. we know what we are headed for and that's what we chose. don't disrespect that choice by pretending that we are somehow innocent victims controlled by evil forces and in need of "saving".
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The American Left doesn't view US soldiers as warriors. It views them as victims. The Left is the target audience of this thread.

Besides what do you call a warrior that will never gets the support, resources, and time he needs to accomplish his job? You call him a victim.
 
Another Day:


01/13/11 DoD: Army Casualties Identified (3 of 3)
Pfc. Benjamin G. Moore, 23, of Robbinsville, N.J...assigned to the 7th Engineer Battalion, 10th Sustainment Brigade, 10th Mountain Division, Fort Drum, N.Y...died Jan. 12, in Ghazni province, Afghanistan, of wounds suffered when enemy forces attacked their unit with an improvised explosive device.

01/13/11 DoD: Army Casualties Identified (2 of 3)
Spc. Jarrid L. King, 20, of Erie, Pa...assigned to the 7th Engineer Battalion, 10th Sustainment Brigade, 10th Mountain Division, Fort Drum, N.Y...died Jan. 12, in Ghazni province, Afghanistan, of wounds suffered when enemy forces attacked their unit with an improvised explosive device.

01/13/11 DoD: Army Casualties Identified (1 of 3)
Sgt. Omar Aceves, 30, of El Paso, Texas...assigned to the 7th Engineer Battalion, 10th Sustainment Brigade, 10th Mountain Division, Fort Drum, N.Y...died Jan. 12, in Ghazni province, Afghanistan, of wounds suffered when enemy forces attacked their unit with an improvised explosive device.
 
Albert Di Salvo said:
Another Day:


01/13/11 DoD: Army Casualties Identified (3 of 3)
Pfc. Benjamin G. Moore, 23, of Robbinsville, N.J...assigned to the 7th Engineer Battalion, 10th Sustainment Brigade, 10th Mountain Division, Fort Drum, N.Y...died Jan. 12, in Ghazni province, Afghanistan, of wounds suffered when enemy forces attacked their unit with an improvised explosive device.

01/13/11 DoD: Army Casualties Identified (2 of 3)
Spc. Jarrid L. King, 20, of Erie, Pa...assigned to the 7th Engineer Battalion, 10th Sustainment Brigade, 10th Mountain Division, Fort Drum, N.Y...died Jan. 12, in Ghazni province, Afghanistan, of wounds suffered when enemy forces attacked their unit with an improvised explosive device.

01/13/11 DoD: Army Casualties Identified (1 of 3)
Sgt. Omar Aceves, 30, of El Paso, Texas...assigned to the 7th Engineer Battalion, 10th Sustainment Brigade, 10th Mountain Division, Fort Drum, N.Y...died Jan. 12, in Ghazni province, Afghanistan, of wounds suffered when enemy forces attacked their unit with an improvised explosive device.
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Wow its a feels a bit different when you get a daily death toll. When you feel the pace of death instead of the yearly total its more unsettling.
 
Another Day, Another Death:


01/15/11 DoD: Army Casualty Identified

Sgt. Zainah C. Creamer, 28, of Texarkana, Texas, died Jan. 12, in Kandahar province, Afghanistan, of wounds suffered when insurgents attacked her unit with an improvised explosive device. She was assigned to the 212th Military Police Detachment, Headquaters Battalion, Fort Belvoir, Va.
 
Another Day, Another Death:

01/16/11 DoD: Army Casualty Identified

Maj. Evan J. Mooldyk, 47, of Ranch Murieto, Calif., died Jan. 12 in Khowst province, Afghanistan, in a non-combat related incident. He was assigned to the 19th Sustainment Command, 377th Theater Sustainment Command, Belle Chasse, La.
 
Albert Di Salvo said:
The American Left doesn't view US soldiers as warriors. It views them as victims. The Left is the target audience of this thread.
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are you parodying them? or accepting their logic. because it seems as though you are engaging in the latter.

Besides what do you call a warrior that will never gets the support, resources, and time he needs to accomplish his job? You call him a victim.
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I call him a Marine; we are used to dealing with shortages in all those items.
 
cpwill said:
are you parodying them? or accepting their logic. because it seems as though you are engaging in the latter.



I call him a Marine; we are used to dealing with shortages in all those items.
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It's neither parody nor acceptance. Each day they are forced to confront their consciences in an attempt to deny their hypocrisy.
 
Another Day, Another Death:


01/17/11 DoD: Army Casualty Identified

Pfc. Zachary S. Salmon, 21, of Harrison, Ohio, died Jan. 12 in Kunar province, Afghanistan, of wounds suffered when insurgents attacked his unit with small arms fire. He was assigned to the 1st Battalion, 32nd Cavalry Regiment, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault), Fort Campbell, Ky.
 
What happened to the furor after Obama was elected?
 
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