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Lt. Col. Ralph Peters declares that Julian Assange should be killed

SirPwn4lot said:
Lets say... just hypothetically, that they can get him on a crime. Now what? He's in Sweden. What if Sweden refuses to extradite him? What if they don't circumvent the US-Sweden extradition treaty, which doesn't list espionage as an extraditable offense? Do we go to war with Sweden? Do we send in forces to assassinate/kidnap him? What exactly do you guys propose?
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Would I be correct in assuming that this post isn't directed at me?
 
This is presuming the the authorities in London extradite Assange to Sweden, though from what we hear from wikileaks, they will be only too willing to roll over to have their tummy tickled by Washington.
 
Cephus said:
Sure it is, the government cannot act with impunity and violate it's own laws. If it killed Assange outside of it's laws, it would be murder, just as if any individual did it.
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The US government does it all the time. Bush made it an art-form. They used excuses like "enemy combatant" to "it is not torture because we say so".. if they wanted Assange taken out then they could find some sort of excuse despite breaking every principle of the United States.. they have done it before. For a country that tries to project its democracy to the world and its freedoms, the US has a tendency to piss on those principles when ever it sees fit and make up a bunch of idiotic excuses to justify their illegal actions.

Question is.. what would it actually accomplish other than make the US look even more foolish and idiotic than it already is? Everyone would know that Assange's death would be related to the US, everyone would blame the US.

1.) The man has not broken any US laws, because his acts were not done in the US and last I looked US law did not apply outside US borders. How can he be a spy if he was not in the US when the supposed "spying" was done?

2.) His death would not stop the leaks or others for doing something similar. In fact it would more than likely make people even more determined to hit the US with leaks. There is already a new competing site that opened yesterday so this kind of exposing of government and big business is set to continue regardless of threats or murders. And frankly I think it is a good thing as a principle. If such sites expose illegalities by government and/or big business then I am all for it.

3.) What real damage has the leaks actually done other than a bit of pride and embarrassment? A list of "key sites" that most terrorists and enemies most likely knew of already? Making Hilary and a few ambassadors look like fools? Telling the truth about foreign leaders.. oh the shock!

I understand fully the US needs to act tough and all that, and especially the right wing fanatics, but in the real world.. what exactly has the US lost here with the leaks? Stuff that the "enemy" most likely already knew? wupti du..

In fact I would claim Assange and the PFC that stole the information in the first place, should be congratulated and rewarded by the US government for exposing a serious security threat within its own system and forcing a much needed review on who, how and where the information is shared. Banning removable media for one is a huge step forward.. why it was allowed in the first place baffles me.

The US intelligence community has grown insanely the last decade with more and more administration, and the results have not been mind boggling by any means. And all it took to hurt said massive bureaucracy system was a lone PFC with a grudge and a bunch of DVDs.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Then you should be sent to death row? I mean come on, you are not respecting his 1st amendment rights (the law) by calling for his death because he is the leader of a news organization that posted some classified information which any other news agency would have done.
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First of all he is not a US citizen so he does not have any constitutional rights. Second calling for someone to be executed for aiding in treason and espionage is not a death penalty worthy crime and nor is it disrespecting anyone's first amendment rights. Third just like the 2nd amendment does not give me a constitutional right to shoot a shot gun at three in the morning or to run around and shoot people for no justified reason the first amendment does not give you a right to release classified info, to commit treason or yell fire in a burning building.
 
jamesrage said:
First of all he is not a US citizen so he does not have any constitutional rights.
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Yes he does. Your own US supreme court has many times made this ruling that any person in the US has the same rights as a US citizen.

Second calling for someone to be executed for aiding in treason and espionage is not a death penalty worthy crime and nor is it disrespecting anyone's first amendment rights.
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First off, you say your self he is not a US citizen so it cant be treason. Treason only applies to citizens of the state in question. Secondly espionage also requires that the act is done on US soil, which his acts are clearly not. And finally calling for the death of some one is no different than a radical islamist calling a fatwa against someone... no difference what so ever. You condemn the radical islamists for calling for the death of someone, the I would expect that you did the same for anyone else regardless of religion or statehood. Else you are just another right wing hypocrite.

Third just like the 2nd amendment does not give me a constitutional right to shoot a shot gun at three in the morning or to run around and shoot people for no justified reason the first amendment does not give you a right to release classified info, to commit treason or yell fire in a burning building.
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As you stated Assange is not a US citizen, hence the constitutional rights do not apply to him as long as he is not in the US. Hence your whole angle of attack is wrong since US law can not be applied to Assange since he did not do his crimes in the US. Or are you saying now that the US has universal juristicion now? As long as the US does not like Spain and a few other countries have a legal system based on universal jurasticion then the US can not apply its laws on someone outside the US, let alone make other countries do their bidding and hand over people who have "wronged" them in some way.
 
PeteEU said:
First off, you say your self he is not a US citizen so it cant be treason.Treason only applies to citizens of the state in question.
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I never said he should be tried or shot for treason. He assisted traitors in various countries in those things and he should be killed for it.


And finally calling for the death of some one is no different than a radical islamist calling a fatwa against someone... no difference what so ever. You condemn the radical islamists for calling for the death of someone, the I would expect that you did the same for anyone else regardless of religion or statehood. Else you are just another right wing hypocrite.
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There is a huge difference between wanting a man dead for assisting traitors in various countries and some religious retards wanting someone dead because they drew a cartoon character or because someone criticized their religion. How are you unable to see the difference in that?

As you stated Assange is not a US citizen, hence the constitutional rights do not apply to him as long as he is not in the US.
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So a predator drone can be sent after him or they can pay someone to put a bullet in his head or arrange a accident.
 
PeteEU said:
And Lt. Col Ralph Peters should be fired from Fox News for inciting to murder another human being. He should also be arrested for death threats against Assange. But I am guessing both will never happen since it is Fox News.
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Fox news does not have jurisdiction to arrest anyone... :roll:



Assuange or Assface, does indeed need a bullet in his face anus. :prof
 
jamesrage said:
I never said he should be tried or shot for treason. He assisted traitors in various countries in those things and he should be killed for it.
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So you are basing this on his "assistance" of American traitors? What law or jurastiction do you base this on? You are aware that everyone from the computer maker, CD/DVD producer to the internet backbone falls under this "assistance" idea of yours right?

There is a huge difference between wanting a man dead for assisting traitors in various countries and some religious retards wanting someone dead because they drew a cartoon character or because someone criticized their religion. How are you unable to see the difference in that?
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There is zero difference. You are just making excuses. The religious retards see the drawing of a cartoon character as bad as your treason accusation. In both cases you and they are advocating for the murder of a person of another country based on actions said person did in another country than your/their own. Both of you have zero legal basis to back up your death orders and both are solely based on personal and political issues... the person in question "wronged" you in some way.

So a predator drone can be sent after him or they can pay someone to put a bullet in his head or arrange a accident.
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Yea you try to kill him via a predator drone in Europe... watch the backlash. As for paying someone to kill him.. go ahead, but everyone will know who did it. It will not have any positive outcome for the US with the exception of getting a lot of right wingers off.

But you do know what you are saying right? By having this attitude then you would have no problem if the rest of the world went after American's in the same way .. after all fair is fair.. So say, if Bush or Cheney happened to get killed then you would have no problem with that right?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Fox news does not have jurisdiction to arrest anyone... :roll:
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Nice try to derail the thread. Where did I say it was Fox News that should do the arresting.. no where.. so stick to topic or be reported.
 
PeteEU said:
Nice try to derail the thread. Where did I say it was Fox News that should do the arresting.. no where.. so stick to topic or be reported.
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You said:


PeteEU said:
And Lt. Col Ralph Peters should be fired from Fox News for inciting to murder another human being. He should also be arrested for death threats against Assange. But I am guessing both will never happen since it is Fox News.
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Are you saying if he was on msnbc he would be arrested and fox has some special power? :lamo
 
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