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“Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice.” [sic]

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“I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.” — Sen. Barry Goldwater (R-AZ), 1964 Republican National Convention at San Francisco, California¹​

If you are going to quote somebody in your terrorist note, at least take a moment to actually quote your source accurately.

Excerpted from “Vandalism linked to healthcare politics” By UPI, Published: March. 23, 2010 at 9:23 PM
… [[SIZE="+2"]I[/SIZE]]n Rochester, N.Y., someone threw a brick through the glass doors of the Monroe County Democratic Committee headquarters -- with a note attached that read: "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice." …
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More important, we have entered a new era of domestic terrorism and some conservatives have forgotten the central principle that under girds our [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy"]representative democracy[/ame]: Elections have consequences.

Today, those memory impaired conservatives are rapidly becoming the greatest terrorist threat to our Republic and our way of life.
 
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Chappy said:
“I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.” — Sen. Barry Goldwater (R-AZ), 1964 Republican National Convention at San Francisco, California¹​

If you are going to quote somebody in your terrorist note, at least take a moment to actually quote your source accurately.



More important, we have entered a new era of domestic terrorism and some conservatives have forgotten the central principle that under girds our representative democracy: Elections have consequences.

Today, those memory impaired conservatives are rapidly becoming the greatest terrorist threat to our Republic and our way of life.
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That's not terrorism.
 
You're right, they're not terrorists, they are terrorist cowards.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
They may be vandals but not terrorists.

To be a terrorist you must want to incite terror.
Breaking a window isn't exactly the same as setting off a bomb.
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Terrorism does not mean just bombs

But the use or threats to use violence to achieve politic goals

Throwing a brick through a window with a note stating extremism is no vice at the very least is a threat of violence and as it was through a political organizations window, it would certainly be a political issue
 
"It's ok for people do be violent if it's for political reasons I agree with."
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Terrorism does not mean just bombs

But the use or threats to use violence to achieve politic goals

Throwing a brick through a window with a note stating extremism is no vice at the very least is a threat of violence and as it was through a political organizations window, it would certainly be a political issue
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I think it makes people numb to true terrorism when it's compared to someone throwing a brick through a window.

Was it done out of anger, a kind of revenge?
Sure.
Was it done to terrorize the people there, I doubt it.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I think it makes people numb to true terrorism when it's compared to someone throwing a brick through a window.

Was it done out of anger, a kind of revenge?
Sure.
Was it done to terrorize the people there, I doubt it.
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It fits the definition of what terrorism is

Is it a major act of terrorism, not at all

A rock thrown through a window with a note attached saying extremism is justified, is not meant to scare people?

I bet many of the people working there are a little unsettled, certainly concerned that some nutcase is going to attack them when they leave work.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
… Was it done out of anger, a kind of revenge?
Sure.
Was it done to terrorize the people there, I doubt it.
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It was done to intimidate and threaten. It was done to terrorize.
 
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Chappy said:
It was done to intimidate and threaten. It was done to terrorize.
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Anyone who is terrorized by a rock thrown through a window needs to grow a spine.


(Startled, sure. Annoyed, probably. Concerned maybe. Terrorized?? No.)
 
Goshin said:
Anyone who is terrorized by a rock thrown through a window needs to grow a spine.


(Startled, sure. Annoyed, probably. Concerned maybe. Terrorized?? No.)
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And that is not the definition of terrorism

If it was, scary movies and halloween would be made illegal
 
Goshin said:
Anyone who is terrorized by a rock thrown through a window needs to grow a spine. …
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I've had a rock thrown through my window by someone who wished my family ill. And, yes, it is terrorizing.
 
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Lord Tammerlain said:
It fits the definition of what terrorism is

Is it a major act of terrorism, not at all

A rock thrown through a window with a note attached saying extremism is justified, is not meant to scare people?

I bet many of the people working there are a little unsettled, certainly concerned that some nutcase is going to attack them when they leave work.
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"Terrorism is the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion. At present, the International community has been unable to formulate a universally agreed, legally binding, criminal law definition of terrorism.Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for an ideological goal (as opposed to a lone attack), and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (civilians)."

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism]Terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


It was done as revenge, coercion was not apart of this, as the act that they did not like what was already done.
Throwing a brick through a window is hardly terrorism, you guys are being dramatic.
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
"Terrorism is the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion. At present, the International community has been unable to formulate a universally agreed, legally binding, criminal law definition of terrorism.Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for an ideological goal (as opposed to a lone attack), and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (civilians)."

Terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


It was done as revenge, coercion was not apart of this, as the act that they did not like what was already done.
Throwing a brick through a window is hardly terrorism, you guys are being dramatic.
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“And if we do a proper job, if we break the windows of hundreds, thousands, of Democrat Party headquarters across this country, we might just wake up enough of them to make defending ourselves at the muzzle of a rifle unnecessary.” — Mike Vanderboegh¹​

“if you wish to send a message that Pelosi and her party cannot fail to hear, break their windows.” — Mike Vanderboegh²​

“What I was trying to get across was that people do not understand how on the edge of civil conflict this country is.” — Mike Vanderboegh³​

Sounds organized, sounds ideological, sounds threatening, sounds like they don't care that others may get hurt.

Sounds like terrorism to me.

Excerpted from “Democratic offices vandalized across the country” By JUDY L. THOMAS, The Kansas City Star, Posted on Mon, Mar. 22, 2010 10:45 PM
“[SIZE="+2"]P[/SIZE]assage of health care reform will elicit a variety of responses from its opponents,” said Leonard Zeskind, author of the 2009 book “Blood and Politics.”

“We can expect militia types like Vanderboegh to become even more far-fetched and violent.”
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Local News | Tension in Olympia as war protests escalate | Seattle Times Newspaper

UC Berkeley fee protest turns rowdy - SFGate

Broken Windows and Pepper Spray Mark Protests - The Caucus Blog - NYTimes.com

Radicals smash windows of Berkeley Marine Corps recruiting office, then blithely protest the next day zomblog

THE TENSION: Combat Camera: Bombing of Times Square Recruiting Station


I'm sure you consider all these people (and their associated groups) to be terrorists as well, right?

It's hilarious how those who were so quick to accuse the Bush administration of labeling dissenters as "un-American" and "terrorist sympathizers" then turn around and label the other party's dissenters as actual terrorists.

I don't see too many of those "dissent is patriotic" t-shirts nowadays...I wonder why?
 
Shameful. You take unrelated incidents about unrelated issues across a period of years and declare that if the brick throwing campaign recently visited upon Democratic offices across the country in a period of hours is domestic terrrorism, then, so should these events? Pathetic. That's just pathetic.
 
Chappy said:
Shameful. You take unrelated incidents about unrelated issues across a period of years and declare that if the brick throwing campaign recently visited upon Democratic offices across the country in a period of hours is domestic terrrorism, then, so should these events? Pathetic. That's just pathetic.
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No, I pointed out how ridiculously hypocritical it is of you to call this terrorism when you would never do the same if the tables were turned.

I didn't call it terrorism back when they did that, and I'm not calling it terrorism when they do it now. You obviously can't say the same.
 
I am sick of the word "terrorism" being watered down into nothing. Minor crap like vandalism is not deserving of the label. Street trash do this sort of thing all the time and they are hardly terrorists.
 
Pathetic.

So many conservatives have dissolved into weak kneed apologists for the violent extremists among their ranks.

Their failure to condemn these initial acts of domestic terrorism will encourage and give comfort to the instigators and ensure that there will be more terrorism committed in our land.

“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” — Edmund Burke¹​
 
Terrorism meant something in the 90's. People understood the definition, and true instances of terrorism were rare.

Now it's become everyone's favorite media buzz word for everything.
 
Chappy said:
Pathetic.

So many conservatives have dissolved into weak kneed apologists for the violent extremists among their ranks.

Their failure to condemn these initial acts of domestic terrorism will encourage and give comfort to the instigators and ensure that there will be more terrorism committed in our land.

“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” — Edmund Burke¹​
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This is such ****ing disingenuous bull****. Republicans across the board have condemned these acts of violence, and no one here is excusing their actions. What we're saying is that you're being a goddamn hypocrite when you call this "terrorism." It's the same fearmongering bull**** that you pretended to be furious about when Bush did it, right down to the aid and comfort line. The fact that you can't see this is astounding.

Individual idiots acting out in a stupid way by smashing windows or yelling hateful things at a protest do not constitute terrorism, regardless of whether it's the left or the right behind it. They deserve to be arrested and prosecuted for whatever crimes they do commit, but the attempts to smear those of us who don't fall in line with your flag-wrapping garbage are just pathetic.
 
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Orion said:
Terrorism meant something in the 90's. People understood the definition, and true instances of terrorism were rare.

Now it's become everyone's favorite media buzz word for everything.
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Some conservatives today are still trying to redefine the word “torture,” too; they want to make their crimes go away, too.
 
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