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Further Proof Islam is the Driving Factor of Islamic Extremism

How many do you need? According to the Talmud there are 613 mitzvot ("commandments") in the Torah.There are 248 positive mitzvot and 365 negative mitzvot.

Not going to get by that easy. I want direct quotes of directives from God that back up each of your assertions.

Don't think you can get by taking credit for someone else's work.

Lets see them.
 
am i the only one that finds the title a bit unthought out "Islam is the Driving Factor of Islamic Extremism" that sort of states the obvious, i mean, it's certainly not baha'i driving islamic extremism is it?
 
Not going to get by that easy. I want direct quotes of directives from God that back up each of your assertions.

Don't think you can get by taking credit for someone else's work.

Lets see them.

And what do I get for complying? Will you admit you are wrong?
 
You bet if you can back your lies up.

If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. Leviticus 20:13

And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do. Exodus 21:7

"Say to the Israelites, 'You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the LORD, who makes you holy.

" 'Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death. Exodus 31: 13 and 14

" 'Keep my decrees.
" 'Do not mate different kinds of animals.
" 'Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed.
" 'Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material. Leviticus 19:19
 
am i the only one that finds the title a bit unthought out "Islam is the Driving Factor of Islamic Extremism" that sort of states the obvious, i mean, it's certainly not baha'i driving islamic extremism is it?

But then the fact that the majority of Muslims are not extremists suggests that the factor driving Islamic extremism is extremists.
 
But then the fact that the majority of Muslims are not extremists suggests that the factor driving Islamic extremism is extremists.
We don't see enough of this on TV.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcq9hE5zcVA"]YouTube- Yasir Qadhi - 'Solutions for the Current State of the Muslim Ummah' Live @ GPU Event - Part 2/2[/ame]
 
But then the fact that the majority of Muslims are not extremists suggests that the factor driving Islamic extremism is extremists.

true, but for this case, its islamic extremists, therefore the defining factor is islam, otherwise they'd just be extremists
 
If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. Leviticus 20:13

And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do. Exodus 21:7

"Say to the Israelites, 'You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the LORD, who makes you holy.

" 'Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death. Exodus 31: 13 and 14

" 'Keep my decrees.
" 'Do not mate different kinds of animals.
" 'Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed.
" 'Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material. Leviticus 19:19


Good. I apologize for calling your claim lies.

And the most important part is that even though some of these quotes do exist, Christians and Jews in the VAST majority to not follow these verbatim as Islam still does with Sharia Law.
 
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If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. Leviticus 20:13

And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do. Exodus 21:7

"Say to the Israelites, 'You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the LORD, who makes you holy.

" 'Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death. Exodus 31: 13 and 14

" 'Keep my decrees.
" 'Do not mate different kinds of animals.
" 'Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed.
" 'Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material. Leviticus 19:19

The difference in this is that, unlike the Muslims, we do not act on these outdated principles.

We are modern. The middle east is not. We are civilized, many parts of the middle east are not.

:doh
 
Good. I apologize for calling your claim lies.

And the most important part is that even though some of these quotes do exist, Christians and Jews in the VAST majority to not follow these verbatim as Islam still does with Sharia Law.

Quit using the term 'Sharia Law' like you actually know what you are talking about. Do you know anything about Islamic fiqh? Jurisprudence? Do the words usul al-fiqh mean anything to you? I love how people actually believe they know what they are talking about when mentioning Sharia law.
 
Anybody come up with Christian Violence like this?
That is, in the name/because of Christianity as below, not random crime committed by Christians.
This is ROUTINE and merely the findable examples which may represent much more.

Latest Offerings from the Religion of Peace

2010.02.15 (Narathiwat, Thailand) - A rubber tapper and her daughter are gunned down by Muslim radicals on the plantation where they worked.

2010.02.15 (Mosul, Iraq) - A 42-year-old Christian is shot to death in front of his store.

2010.02.15 (Jawf, Yemen) - A 51-year-old man is shot to death by Shia radicals while eating lunch.

2010.02.15 (Ain el Hilweh, Lebanon) - An attack by a Sunni fundamentalist group leaves two people dead, including a woman.

2010.02.15 (Mogadishu, Somalia) - An al-Shabaab suicide bomber targets a moving vehicle, killing two bystanders.

2010.02.14 (Mosul, Iraq) - Islamists enter a Christian businessman's home and murder him.

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Weekly Jihad Report
Feb 06 - Feb 13

Jihad Attacks: 39
Dead Bodies: 114
Critically Injured: 171

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Monthly Jihad Report
January, 2010

Jihad Attacks: 145
Countries: 16
Religions: 5
Dead Bodies: 683
Critically Injured: 1251

Islam: Making a True Difference in the World - One Body at a Time

and above obviously just partial, as no one can watch in places like Nigeria, Chad, Pakistan, Mauritania, philippines, etc, etc, etc, on a regular basis. Just hope to keep up thru published reports, which may be a Small sample.
 
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The difference in this is that, unlike the Muslims, we do not act on these outdated principles.

We are modern. The middle east is not. We are civilized, many parts of the middle east are not.


:doh
Yes this IS the difference.

Muslims are By and Large Literalist (as opposed to the vast majority secular other two Abrahamic religions) .. and to a Brutal Holy Book whose enemies are still alive. Unlike the other two.

There is no Christian or Jewish equivalent of Barbaric Sharia Law.
There are no Christian or Jewish Iran's or Saudi Arabia's Stoning to Death adulterers and Gays.
Only One religion has a large percent of their adherents in the religous stone age.

Jewish Israel doesn't even have 'eye-for-an-eye justice/The Death penalty despite "Leviticus".
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There is no Christian or Jewish equivalent of Barbaric Sharia Law.
There are no Christian or Jewish Iran's or Saudi Arabia's Stoning to Death adulterers and Gays.
Only One religion has a large percent of their adherents in the religous stone age.

Jewish Israel doesn't even have 'eye-for-an-eye justice/The Death penalty despite "Leviticus".
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Yep, they've moved beyond the barbarism known as the Old Testament and its vindictive god. The Jews just changed the nature of their God, while Christians adopted a newer, kinder God.
 
The difference in this is that, unlike the Muslims, we do not act on these outdated principles.

We are modern. The middle east is not. We are civilized, many parts of the middle east are not.

:doh
The middle east is not the entirety of the muslim world. Christians (generally) are modern which really means they are more progressive and liberal in their religion than most Muslims. So what does that say? Progressive ideas and liberalism is better than conservatism? :rofl

They Both start in the same place, with the same beliefs...
 
Anybody come up with Christian Violence like this?
That is, in the name/because of Christianity as below, not random crime committed by Christians.
This is ROUTINE and merely the findable examples which may represent much more.



and above obviously just partial, as no one can watch in places like Nigeria, Chad, Pakistan, Mauritania, philippines, etc, etc, etc, on a regular basis. Just hope to keep up thru published reports, which may be a Small sample.

So you have a blatantly biased website posting lists of people Muslims have killed. Then you ask if Christians are doing this in the name of their God, implying that you can prove that these crimes listed are done in the name of Islam(P.S. your source doesn't say).

Keep up the good work. :roll:
 
So you have a blatantly biased website posting lists of people Muslims have killed. Then you ask if Christians are doing this in the name of their God, implying that you can prove that these crimes listed are done in the name of Islam (P.S. your source doesn't say).

Keep up the good work. :roll:
On the contrary.
My source says they are crimes against non-Muslims or Muslims of Different sect, (ergo "Jihad") committed by Muslim radicals in all cases. The listings are naturally short, as it would be overwhleming to post an article on each.

But even with the necessarily short listings of each, one can figure out Basically who did what to whom.
as to Bias, you aren't going to find an Unbiased site that would dare count such an un-PC stat.

And again, you are free to find Crimes committed in the name of Christianity to match the the ones posted. Or even Discounting wildly for bias, find 10% as many... or 1% as many.
The point well past made despite your unsubstantial objection.

Nor could you respond to my other post pointing out the Brutal Sharia problem; there being No Christian (or Jewish) countries stoning people to death for Adultery or Homosexuality.
But you could try and object to the website as biased. Weak, but your only attempted out to the unfortunate Facts of violent Islam.
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On the contrary.
My source says they are crimes against non-Muslims or Muslims of Different sect, (ergo "Jihad") committed by Muslim radicals in all cases. The listings are naturally short, as it would be overwhleming to post an article on each.

But even with the necessarily short listings of each, one can figure out Basically who did what to whom.
as to Bias, you aren't going to find an Unbiased site that would dare count such an un-PC stat.
So you admit you use an openly biased source and that you cannot prove these crimes were committed in the name of Islam. Thanks for playing. :2wave:
 
So you admit you use an openly biased source and that you cannot prove these crimes were committed in the name of Islam. Thanks for playing. :2wave:
I admit my site has a bias as most sites are too PC to carry such stats.
I say they are all true and have proven so in the past and ... present.
ie ,Lets check the First:
My site

2010.02.15 (Narathiwat, Thailand) - A rubber tapper and her daughter are gunned down by Muslim radicals on the plantation where they worked.
OTHERS:

Four killed in insurgency-plagued Thai south

Mon Feb 15, 2010

NARATHIWAT, Thailand
(Reuters) - Four people have died in two shooting incidents in Thailand's rebellious deep south in the past two days, both incidents involving a mother and daughter, police said.

On Monday, a Muslim woman and her daughter were shot dead in a rubber plantation in Narathiwat province, Police Captain Heraman Jaedee said.

Heraman said the mother had been summonsed to speak to security authorities and may have been killed to prevent her from giving information to them.


In a separate incident on Sunday, a Buddhist woman and her 14-year-old daughter were shot dead in a drive-by attack as they were riding a motorcycle home in Pattani province, said Police Colonel Naraecha Suwanlapa.

More than 3,900 people have been killed in six years
of unrest blamed on separatist insurgents in the region bordering Malaysia.

The troubled rubber-rich provinces of Pattani, Yala, and Narathiwat were part of a Muslim sultanate until annexed a century ago by predominantly Buddhist Thailand.
About 80% of the region is Muslim and its people speak a Malay dialect.

The violence has ranged from drive-by Shootings to Bombings and Beheadings...."


Four killed in insurgency-plagued Thai south | World | Reuters

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Oooh look, THE story from the 15th.. and BONUS!!! NEW Beheadings on the 16th. You read it here first.

Beheaded soldiers among Six killed in Thai south: police

Militants shot dead two soldiers and beheaded their corpses Tuesday in the latest gruesome attack in Thailand's restive south, police said.

The two soldiers were providing a security escort to teachers on Tuesday afternoon when armed militants ambushed their vehicle in the Ruso district of Narathiwat province.

The militants later beheaded the soldiers' corpses and took their heads away, police said.

In separate gun attacks on Monday, three rubber farmers and a militant were killed.

A mother and daughter, aged 50 and 25, were shot dead while at work on a rubber farm in the Rangae district of Narathiwat.....


More than 4,100 people have died and thousands more have been injured during a six-year separatist rebellion in Thailand's troubled southernmost provinces bordering Malaysia.....

Beheaded soldiers among six killed in Thai south: police - *Latest news around the world and developments close to home - MSN Malaysia News

That was pretty Easy.. with a Bonus classic.. beheadings.

Nor were my passages about Brutal Sharia (Stoning in Iran and Saudi Arabia, without REBUTTAL or Similar Christian/Jewish Stone Age Brutality) or ..... persecution even by 'Moderate' Goverments such as Egypt.

OK Funny boy
YOUR TURN.
 
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Re: Further Proof Islam is the Driving Factor of Terrorism

Many people continue to be in denial and refuse to accept that the "real engine" of Islamic terrorism is the religion of Islam. They naively believe that the West is on the receiving end of violence and destruction perpetrated by radical Islamists mainly because of our actions abroad in foreign lands, while they routinely refuse to accept the fact that the foot soldiers of Allah are driven in large part by their religious beliefs.

Here is just the latest evidence proving that it is in fact not American or British or Spanish or German or Canadian. . .etc. bombs that inspires the hatred and destructive acts of radical Islam.
Firebombs were thrown at two more churches in Malaysia early Sunday, the latest in a series of assaults on Christian houses of worship following a court decision that allows non-Muslims to use "Allah" to refer to God.
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Four churches were hit by gasoline bombs on Friday and Saturday. All except the Metro Tabernacle, whose parishioners moved their services, suffered little damage, and no one was hurt. The other three held normal services Sunday.
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The dispute is over a Dec. 31 High Court decision that overturned a government order banning non-Muslims from using the word "Allah" in their prayers and literature. The court was ruling on a petition by Malaysia's Roman Catholic Church, whose main publication, the Herald, uses the word "Allah" in its Malay-language edition. The government has appealed the verdict.

News-Talk 1110 WBT | News Story: 2 more churches attacked in Malaysia in Allah feud
What say you Catawba???

so whats the driving force for american extremism? that is u.s. soldiers dropping bombs indiscriminately over villages, and towns... the stuff that you wont see on the liberal media. actually theres some american extremism going on right now in haiti too. you should check that out. sad that america has to use such a tragedy to expand its imperialism.
 
I admit my site has a bias as most sites are too PC to carry such stats.
I say they are all true and have proven so in the past and ... present.
ie ,Lets check the First:



That was pretty Easy.. with a Bonus classic.. beheadings.

Nor were my passages about Brutal Sharia (Stoning in Iran and Saudi Arabia, without REBUTTAL or Similar Christian/Jewish Stone Age Brutality) or ..... persecution even by 'Moderate' Goverments such as Egypt.

OK Funny boy
YOUR TURN.

All you have shown is that the individuals in question were Muslim, not that they performed these acts because their faith demanded it of them. This is the equivalent of me linking to an article on Christians bombing abortion clinics and then trying to claim that Christianity is at fault for the actions of some misguided fools. So again, nice try.
 
The driving factor is people taking politics of the past, and applying it to the politics of the present. It's like trying to put an incongruous puzzle piece in the center of a puzzle, where it doesn't belong.
 
All you have shown is that the individuals in question were Muslim, not that they performed these acts because their faith demanded it of them. This is the equivalent of me linking to an article on Christians bombing abortion clinics and then trying to claim that Christianity is at fault for the actions of some misguided fools. So again, nice try.
What? No wise guy this time?

They are Muslim Separatists who want their own MUSLIM state and are killing people for that reason.

They are not remotely comparable, in number anyway, to the one abortion clinic bombing/killing every two years by Christians.
4100 people dead in Thailand alone.

Of course there are other "misguided' Muslims, it seems LOTS of places. Pakistan and India are still fighting over whether Kashmir.
Phillipines too.
Muslims separatism in Daghestan .. and Westen China. Just all "Misguided" like the one abortion clinic bombing a year.

Of course, this doesn't even take into consideration what cannot even be contrued as 'misguided' is the Persecution of Christians and other minorities by Muslim COUNTRIES like even 'moderate' Egypt against the Copts. Or any converts away from Islam.
Christians are just about gone from the Arab world.
Pakistan isn't to pleasant either.

Even in lesser known spots.. Kenya, Chad, Nigeria, Ivory Coast.. just look. It's there.
Thus 'my' website. Just looks.
Not difficult. A Simple unbiased search. Rather depressing if telling:
http://news.google.com/news?sourcei...S336&q=muslim&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wn
In Another 'Moderate' Muslim country, Malaysia, Seven were just Caned for some crime of promiscuity.
Every single day, people die and are persecuted Because OF Islam.

The NIF in Sudan first Genocided the Christians and Animists (2 million) before settling in on the better known Genocide of the blackER Muslims, the Fur/trendier 'Darfur'.
This persecution and war is pretty much Muslim worldwide.
Taliban were fighting [for an Islamic state] other groups in Afghanistan before we just interrupted that one.

And of course, still conspicuoulsy Untouched, Sharia Barabarity in places like, but NOT limited to Iran and Saudi Arabia, which one cannot say isn't religously mandated. And which has No equivalent in the other Abrahamic religion countries.
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Re: Terrorist Front Group CAIR

Catawba said:
The Council on American-Islamic Relations

:lamo :lamo :lamo

Get a clue, dude. Get a frickin' clue!!! :lol:

The same Islamist apologists the Department of Homeland Security refuses to deal with.

The same Islamist apologists the FBI refuses to deal with.

The same Islamist apologists that Senator Charles Schumer says is an organization "which we know has ties to terrorism."

The same Islamist apologists that Senator Dick Durbin says is "unusual in its extreme rhetoric and its associations with groups that are suspect."

The same Islamist apologists that Senator Barbara Boxer withdrew a “certificate of accomplishment” from and “expressed concern” about while citing law enforcement officials as saying CAIR “gives aid to international terrorist groups."

The same Islamist apologists that Steven Pomerantz, the FBI's former chief of counterterrorism, says "its leaders, and its activities effectively give aid to international terrorist groups."

The same Islamist apologists that counter terrorism expert and founder of the Investigative Project on Terrorism Steven Emerson calls "a radical fundamentalist front group for Hamas."

The same Islamist apologists that were named by federal prosecutors as an "unindicted co-conspirator" in the Hamas funding Holy Land Foundation case.

The same Islamist apologists that Muslim Seifeldin Ashmawy, publisher of the New Jersey-based Voice of Peace, said was a organization of "extremists whose views do not represent Islam."

The same Islamist apologists that Muslim Jamal Hasan of the Council for Democracy and Tolerance says wants "Islamic hegemony the world over by hook or by crook."

The same Islamist apologists that Muslim Kamal Nawash, leader of Free Muslims Against Terrorism, says "almost all of their members are theocratic Muslims who reject secularism and want to establish Islamic states."

The same Islamist apologists that Muslim Tashbih Sayyed of the Council for Democracy and Tolerance says is "the most accomplished fifth column" in the United States.

The same Islamist apologists that Stephen Schwartz of the Center on Islamic Pluralism says "should be considered a foreign-based subversive organization, comparable in the Islamist field to the Soviet-controlled Communist Party, USA."

The same Islamist apologists who have had no less than five of its employees and board members arrested, convicted, deported, or linked to terrorism-related charges and activities including the following:
Five of the men indicted, including CAIR's Royer, were found to have had in their possession, according to the indictment, "AK-47-style rifles, telescopic lenses, hundreds of rounds of ammunition and tracer rounds, documents on undertaking jihad and martyrdom, [and] a copy of the terrorist handbook containing instructions on how to manufacture and use explosives and chemicals as weapons."[24]

After four of the eleven defendants pleaded guilty, the remaining seven, including Royer, were accused in a new, 32-count indictment of yet more serious charges: conspiring to help Al-Qaeda and the Taliban battle American troops in Afghanistan.[25] Royer admitted in his grand jury testimony that he had already waged jihad in Bosnia under a commander acting on orders from Osama bin Laden. Prosecutors also presented evidence that his father, Ramon Royer, had rented a room in his St. Louis-area home in 2000 to Ziyad Khaleel, the student who purchased the satellite phone used by Al-Qaeda in planning the two U.S. embassy bombings in East Africa in August 1998.[26] Royer eventually pleaded guilty to lesser firearms-related charges, and the former CAIR staffer was sentenced to twenty years in prison.[27]

CAIR: Islamists Fooling the Establishment

And all that is merely the beginning. Citing CAIR as proof of "Muslims are condemning the attacks" is beyond laughable; it's totally ridiculous!!! :lamo It shows a tremendous ignorance and a willingness to swallow hook, line and sinker the slightest shred of words scrounged up off the Internet if thought to support your opinion on these matters, and it once more proves just how limited and narrow your understanding is of Islamic terrorism.

Rarely does a person get so royally thrashed on a point in a chat forum. This is just absolutely comical!!!
 
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