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Student seeks balance in teaching of controversial topics

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Good for her my question is what will the School Board do about this try to sweep it under the rug or actually start following there own rules.

But this isn't single problem with this school district this has been going on all over the United States when Teacher and Admin. try to push their own personal political agenda on what is taught in school then we have Brain Washing. I point to the Obama Song of last year and the so-called Cult of Obama that certain school district have.
 

"A Rhinebeck High School sophomore is urging the school district to require alternative views be presented by teachers on controversial topics like climate change."

Creationism 2.0.

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Good for her my question is what will the School Board do about this try to sweep it under the rug or actually start following there own rules.

But this isn't single problem with this school district this has been going on all over the United States when Teacher and Admin. try to push their own personal political agenda on what is taught in school then we have Brain Washing.
That's why I'm against the student's proposal. Presenting fringe views as "legitimate alternative views" just to be "fair" is the essence of brainwashing and trying to push partisan politics into the education system.

I point to the Obama Song of last year and the so-called Cult of Obama that certain school district have.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACyLTsH4ac"]YouTube- Brain Washing ( Jesus Camp ''Highlights'' )[/ame]
 
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This area was the area Gillibrand was a Congresswoman after defeating John Sweney so its a pretty conservative area. I dont see it being covered without alot of noise being made. I had also forwarded it to the local Campaign for Liberty chapter in the area. Hopefully that does some good.
 
This area was the area Gillibrand was a Congresswoman after defeating John Sweney so its a pretty conservative area. I dont see it being covered without alot of noise being made. I had also forwarded it to the local Campaign for Liberty chapter in the area. Hopefully that does some good.
Sorry I have to disagree. Trying to force fringe views into classrooms just to be "fair" is anti-education and anti-liberty IMO. There is no "controversy" within the scientific community on this topic. The only "controversy" is with those who refuse to accept that because they don't want to (the same with "intelligent design").
 
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Sorry I have to disagree. Trying to force fringe views into classrooms just to be "fair" is anti-education and anti-liberty IMO.

So has science established a concrete view on Global Warming? Last time I checked it didnt. Fringe views can be easily defeated with facts, you shouldnt be panicked.
 
So has science established a concrete view on Global Warming? Last time I checked it didnt.
It has. It's been established that both man-made and natural causes contribute to global warming. That's an established scientific consensus and not up for debate.

Fringe views can be easily defeated with facts, you shouldnt be panicked.
Sure, but they don't belong in the education system. Maybe next we'll have to teach the "Bush fired missiles into the twin towers" theory as an "alternative theory" on 9/11.
 
It has. It's been established that both man-made and natural causes contribute to global warming. That's an established scientific consensus and not up for debate.

If they are concrete than those who support those facts should have no problem debating them.

Sure, but they don't belong in the education system. Maybe next we'll have to teach the "Bush fired missiles into the twin towers" theory as an "alternative theory" on 9/11.

Again clear facts can crush any 9/11 truth theory.
 
"A Rhinebeck High School sophomore is urging the school district to require alternative views be presented by teachers on controversial topics like climate change."

Creationism 2.0.

teach_both_theories.png



That's why I'm against the student's proposal. Presenting fringe views as "legitimate alternative views" just to be "fair" is the essence of brainwashing and trying to push partisan politics into the education system.



YouTube- Brain Washing ( Jesus Camp ''Highlights'' )

Ah the good old Jesue Camp crap first off this wasn't a puplic school now was it so with that in mind we as American can't tell a private School what they can't and can teach. But a puplic school were our tax payers money goes well now that is a whole ball of wax now isn't it.

As for the whole Global Warming I don't beleive either side they have their own agenda's to push and the young lady is quite right in saying that all side should be taught not just Al Gore the Sky is Falling version or do you think there is something to be hidden like the idea that our children should use there heads other then for being a hat rack.
 
If they are concrete than those who support those facts should have no problem debating them.
School isn't about debate. It's about teaching fundamentals, not creating needless controversy. Trying to create a controversy when no such controversy exists in the scientific community is anti-education.


Again clear facts can crush any 9/11 truth theory.
But... if that's true then those who support those facts should have no problem debating them right? ;)
 
Ah the good old Jesue Camp crap first off this wasn't a puplic school
What's the difference? If "brainwashing" children is bad, then why does it matter who's doing it?

now was it so with that in mind we as American can't tell a private School what they can't and can teach.
So you have no problem with brainwashing children as long as it isn't a public school doing it (just wanted to confirm that, thanks.)

But a puplic school were our tax payers money goes well now that is a whole ball of wax now isn't it.
No it isn't. I have a problem with brainwashing children regardless of who's doing it (looks like your morals are more relative than mine).

As for the whole Global Warming I don't beleive either side they have their own agenda's to push and the young lady is quite right in saying that all side should be taught not just Al Gore the Sky is Falling version
Thanks for proving my point. In the scientific community, there is no lack of consensus that global warming is contributed to in part by man-made factors (but as usual your side will just ignore science and bring up "Al Gore" as a cop out).

or do you think there is something to be hidden like the idea that our children should use there heads other then for being a hat rack.
I think they should use their heads, that's why I'm for only the scientifically validated view to be taught (they should be using their heads and learning facts, not fringe views).
 
Al Gore's promotion of the HOAX of Global Warming in the exceedingly flawed propaganda film An Inconvenient Truth can not be shown in schools in the U.K. without disclaimers pointing out all of the errors found to be in it by a British court.

Our school system is a suffering from a dangerous case Liberalism and political correctness. Leftist have been allowed to take over our schools as they have the majority of the media and then force their misguided misinformation and down right Socialist/Communist unhealthy, unsafe, and sadly UN-AMERICAN on our children.

They use fear and the tactics laid out for them in the Alenskey Rules For Radicals, and worse they have adopted even worse.

They count on the following.

1. By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise.

2. Great liars are also great magicians.

3. He alone, who owns the youth, gains the future.

4. How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.

5. If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.

6. It is not truth that matters, but victory.

7. Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.

8. The broad masses of a population are more amenable to the appeal of rhetoric than to any other force.

Any thinking person can see this short list of examples are and have been being used by Obama, Reid, Pelosi and others on the left and they use them a weapons to force there radical views and try to stifle opposition with fear finger pointing and name calling.

Oh yea these 8 examples come to you from history and are quotes of Adolph Hitler. It's hard to face but the truth but if we don't face facts we may well end up as a some of Obama's people have said face political power from the barrel of a gun.
 
The Zionist's promotion of the HOAX of The Holocaust in the exceedingly fascist American media such as Fox News and MSNBC is a danger to the Aryan race and our children.

Our school system is a suffering from a dangerous case Zionism and political correctness. Zionists have been allowed to take over our schools as they have the majority of the media and then force their misguided misinformation and down right Zionist/Fascist unhealthy, unsafe, and sadly UN-AMERICAN on our white Aryan children.

They use fear and the tactics laid out for them in and worse they have adopted even worse.

They count on the following.

1. By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise.

2. Great liars are also great magicians.

3. He alone, who owns the youth, gains the future.

4. How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.

5. If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.

6. It is not truth that matters, but victory.

7. Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.

8. The broad masses of a population are more amenable to the appeal of rhetoric than to any other force.

Any thinking person can see this short list of examples are and have been being used by Arial Sharone, Mike Savage, Bush and others on the Zionist side and they use them a weapons to force there radical views and try to stifle opposition with fear finger pointing and name calling.

Oh yea these 8 examples come to you from history and are quotes of Josef Stalin. It's hard to face but the truth but if we don't face facts we may well end up as a some of Israel's people have said face political power from the barrel of a gun. Seig Heil!

Yes I agree. I'll be on the lookout for dem durn Zionists and their grand Jewish conspiracy to destroy the white race. Yawno...

But anyway, thanks for proving my point as to why the fact of global warming needs to be taught more in schools. When we have wackos such as you lying and claiming that Al Gore invented it (when in reality he used already-established facts along with possible exaggeration in order to make a profit), that just goes to show you that the American education system has failed many of our students, you being a classic example. ;)

Correlation does not imply causation. - Al Gore exaggerates Global Warming to make a profit. Therefore that means global warming is false (and scientists are in a grand conspiracy to hide it).

By the same logic (or lack thereof), Bush exaggerated the threat of terrorism to justify the Iraq War. Therefore 9/11 was a grand conspiracy by the Bush regime.

Conspiracy theories used to be amusing, but at this point they're just pathetic.
 
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Good for her my question is what will the School Board do about this try to sweep it under the rug or actually start following there own rules.

But this isn't single problem with this school district this has been going on all over the United States when Teacher and Admin. try to push their own personal political agenda on what is taught in school then we have Brain Washing. I point to the Obama Song of last year and the so-called Cult of Obama that certain school district have.

I had the same experience but in the reverse. My high school was very conservative and really pushed creationism. my science class completely skipped over a chapter about the big bang theory and evolution and world history skipped chapters on early history. To those not paying attention it looked like we were zapped into creation at the start of the Roman Empire.

At the same time the school a few miles down was getting a full curriculum but probably running into more liberal teachings like that in the article.
 
I had the same experience but in the reverse. My high school was very conservative and really pushed creationism. my science class completely skipped over a chapter about the big bang theory and evolution and world history skipped chapters on early history. To those not paying attention it looked like we were zapped into creation at the start of the Roman Empire.

At the same time the school a few miles down was getting a full curriculum but probably running into more liberal teachings like that in the article.
Wow I hope some teachers lost their jobs over that.
 

Michelle Dewkett said the global warming documentary “An Inconvenient Truth” was being shown in science and English classes without equal weight being given to other positions on the topic.

All things being equal... Sure.

But Inhofe and the rest of the far-right partisan deniers are talking about of their ass. Can't have that crap being poured into the heads of innocents.

Why was the film being show in English class? They should be showing Outfoxed in English classes--teach some critical thinking skills.
 
Wow I hope some teachers lost their jobs over that.

Most of the students came from wealthy conservative families who were very vocal in the community. I think most of the more conservative curriculum was slowly molded into what it was over time. I have no idea if it has changed.

I doubt the teachers got reprimanded for it. Looking back now it was probably dictation from the school board taking dictation from the donating families.
 
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Why was the film being show in English class? They should be showing Outfoxed in English classes--teach some critical thinking skills.

Very good point why was this even being taught in English class I could see Science but English. If i was a parent in this district that would be one of the very first question I would be asking is what the hell is this being taught in English for.
 
Very good point why was this even being taught in English class I could see Science but English. If i was a parent in this district that would be one of the very first question I would be asking is what the hell is this being taught in English for.

Maybe it was focused more on the public speaking aspect of the movie? :)
 
Maybe it was focused more on the public speaking aspect of the movie? :)

Well then that should be taught in Debate class now shouldn't it. Puplic speaking was never part of my English Class when I was in High School some 20+ Years ago my have things changed but then again we also had a Political Science Class.:mrgreen:
 
It has. It's been established that both man-made and natural causes contribute to global warming. That's an established scientific consensus and not up for debate.


Sure, but they don't belong in the education system. Maybe next we'll have to teach the "Bush fired missiles into the twin towers" theory as an "alternative theory" on 9/11.

Any time some one says the fact are settled and it's not up for debate, you can bet your last dollar that the facts are not settled and they can not debate the issue on it's merits.

BTW… science is not something that is determined by consensus, it’s determined by gathering data, testing theories against that data, and most importantly, publishing said data so others can see if they can reproduce your results. The Man caused global warming frauds changed their data to fit their preconceptions… that is your silly damned consensus.
 
Well then that should be taught in Debate class now shouldn't it. Puplic speaking was never part of my English Class when I was in High School some 20+ Years ago my have things changed but then again we also had a Political Science Class.:mrgreen:

It was when I was in high school. There was no "debate class" only debate club.

We had:History, English, Languages, Math, Science, Economics, Art, Auto/Metalworks, Gym/Band
 
Any time some one says the fact are settled and it's not up for debate, you can bet your last dollar that the facts are not settled and they can not debate the issue on it's merits.
So then it's up for debate that the earth is round? Science says it is, so that means it must be a "possibility" that it's really flat according to you.

BTW… science is not something that is determined by consensus, it’s determined by gathering data, testing theories against that data, and most importantly, publishing said data so others can see if they can reproduce your results.
In other words... it's about a scientific consensus as to what the gathered data best represents. That's what I said. lol

Like it or not, scientific consensus has determined that man-made emissions play a role in global warming (not the only). Take it up with science, not me.

The Man caused global warming frauds changed their data to fit their preconceptions… that is your silly damned consensus.
Provide proof of that. Making blanket claims based on Faux News distortions has no more credibility than me chanting "Bush staged 9/11" like a mantra to myself over and over. It's simply not true.

BTW, the few "climategate" emails that surfaced have already been debunked. Fox intentionally took statements out of context to create a controversy (that's the only way they keep their ratings up).
 
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So then it's up for debate that the earth is round? Science says it is, so that means it must be a "possibility" that it's really flat according to you.


In other words... it's about a scientific consensus as to what the gathered data best represents. That's what I said. lol

Like it or not, scientific consensus has determined that man-made emissions play a role in global warming (not the only). Take it up with science, not me.


Provide proof of that. Making blanket claims based on Faux News distortions has no more credibility than me chanting "Bush staged 9/11" like a mantra to myself over and over. It's simply not true.

BTW, the few "climategate" emails that surfaced have already been debunked. Fox intentionally took statements out of context to create a controversy (that's the only way they keep their ratings up).

I've posted the information needed to download all of the emails and documents hacked from those frauds... I've read the emails and docs hacked from those frauds, they point quite specifically to altering data and hiding facts to further their political agenda.

Here, read them yourself, if you dare.

foia zip - Rapidshare Search - (3 files)
 
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