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    Re: what is Socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    it is also very easy to vilify something you don't understand. that is what i see happening in the US all the time. the masses turn into a pseudo enemy anything that they do not understand.

    children in classes in the US are told everyday that the US is the best country and that everything that is done is correct. they do not learn nor study the options. when they grow up they have limited understanding and make statements about other forms, styles and cultures withing life that are wrong or uninformed.
    Yup, that's true.....

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    Re: what is Socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan
    Yup, that's true.....
    If you're not going to contribute anything to the discussion then stop trolling/spamming, please. Your post has been reported.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: what is Socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    it is also very easy to vilify something you don't understand. that is what i see happening in the US all the time. the masses turn into a pseudo enemy anything that they do not understand.

    children in classes in the US are told everyday that the US is the best country and that everything that is done is correct. they do not learn nor study the options. when they grow up they have limited understanding and make statements about other forms, styles and cultures withing life that are wrong or uninformed.
    Good point---People are trained to believe what they are told, and to then defend that belief, no matter what the facts may be---Insecurity does that to people.
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    Re: what is Socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    If you're not going to contribute anything to the discussion then stop trolling/spamming, please. Your post has been reported.
    Tough if you don't like my answers, I happen to believe the U.S. is the greatest country....
    I haven't seen you contribute anything of substance, two posts & then a threat to shut me up............
    If you don't like the term 'human nature', how abou 'survival instinct'?......
    Last edited by Partisan; 12-28-09 at 12:29 PM.

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    Re: what is Socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan
    If you don't like the term 'human nature', how abou 'survival instinct'?......
    Ok, define "survival instinct" and prove how it inevitably clashes with socialism.
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    Re: what is Socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Ok, define "survival instinct" and prove how it inevitably clashes with socialism.
    I'm not here to do your term paper for you, survival of the fittest speaks for itself....
    Sorry, I have to leave for work now so I can fill the government coffers....
    We wouldn't want any handouts to be late.....
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    Re: what is Socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan
    I'm not here to do your term paper for you, survival of the fittest speaks for itself....
    So basically you aren't willing to support your assertion. Moreover, if you knew anything of survival of the fittest you would realize that it has absolutely nothing to do with implicit competition and actually accounts for cooperation, as well. For example, some species that have communal instincts will be able to survive in a given environment as opposed to some that don't. Of course, this is all irrelevant, because humans for hundreds of thousands of years have been able to overcome their most basic instincts due to the ability to use their brain.

    Your "assertion" is full of more holes than Swiss cheese. No wonder you refuse to defend it.

    EDIT: Of course if you want to get into a discussion of "survival of the fittest" I would be more than happy to correct you and educate you on what that actually means, because based on how you've used it here you clearly don't understand it.
    Last edited by Khayembii Communique; 12-28-09 at 12:36 PM.
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    Re: what is Socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Ok, let me rephrase my statement because you clearly didn't understand it:

    Prove that human nature exists.



    If it is socially constructed then it is not natural and thus not the "nature" of humans.
    the thread is not about human nature but i will answer it anyway.

    human nature is a construct of a person. what is natural to you may not be natural to me. it is a statement trying to define the human condition. it has little to do with nature or natural. in that sense you are correct. i see human nature as what is natural to a person. i am lesbian that is natural to me. a heterosexual person may see that as unnatural. so we do i guess agree.
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    Re: what is Socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    when i read posts about socialism in America and this politician being socialist or that one. I am constantly amazed at how little most of the posters on this forum actually know about the topic. I really think that maybe only 3% have a clue. of those 3% maybe only have of them have a working understanding of socialism.

    most of the statements are uneducated and guess work. they relate little of what socialism is. for the sake of everyone maybe some off you would make an effort to try and learn something about the topic before you jump in with both feet calling someone a socialist.

    for the sake of debate. please tell me what you actually think it is. Thanks.

    we can always use a good laugh.
    Thought I'm not a political academic. I'll give it the old college try.

    Realize that trying to define Socialism is difficult. The definitions of the term are as numerous as those who advocate and oppose the movement.

    Professor Dewey Davis once said: "It has never seemed to me possible to define the word so as to make it serviceable for general discussion...the discussion has gone to far and the term is too widespread for any one definition."

    Let's see if I can please the *expert* with my definition(s):

    First, "Socialism" comes in many forms and stripes. To which are referring, specifically?

    -The Basic definition, as a system or theoretical amalgam referring to, or of the ownership and operation of the means of production and distribution; by a society or the community, rather than by private individuals, with all members of society or the community sharing in the work and the products.

    -State Socialism? Which is essentially an economic system in which the government owns most means of production,but some degree of private capitalism is allowed.

    -Democratic Socialism? A political ideology that emphasizes the principle of equality and usually prescribes a large role for government to intervene in society, which is one where people maintain various degrees of freedom.

    -National Socialism? Nazism is a form of socialism featuring racism and expansionism and obedience to a strong leader.

    -Utopian (or ideal) Socialism? Which is socialism achieved by voluntary sacrifice.

    -Guild Socialism? A form of socialist theory advocating state ownership of industry but managements by guilds of workers.

    For anyone who doesn't understand socialism/communism, should read "Animal Farm".

    Oh, and Katie, starting a thread by inferring that you are among the elite "3%" that "get it" is usually a turn-off for anyone looking to answer to the thread. Just a hint.

    However, I was so turned off by your arrogance, I decided to answer.

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    Re: what is Socialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0
    the thread is not about human nature but i will answer it anyway.

    human nature is a construct of a person. what is natural to you may not be natural to me. it is a statement trying to define the human condition. it has little to do with nature or natural. in that sense you are correct. i see human nature as what is natural to a person. i am lesbian that is natural to me. a heterosexual person may see that as unnatural. so we do i guess agree.
    Yes we do agree so stop splitting hairs. :P
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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