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We Should Just Abolish Medicare Says Glenn Beck

Conservative said:
the American people paid into SS so why shouldn't they get their money back? Right now SS is a huge source of revenue to the Federal govt. for use on social engineering programs. Politicians are all sleasebags but Republicans are the lesser of the two.
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I still don't see Conservatives advocating the termination of Social Security or the Earned Income Tax Credit.
 
wow, haha, I'm highly entertained by this. *grabs popcorn*.
 
Conservative said:
Glenn Beck pointed out the book that Holdren wrote and was reported as I posted. You can deny what he wrote until hell freezes over but that doesn't change the facts. Keep making a fool of yourself.
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...that's a far cry from advocating or proposing such a position.
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And here's the part that some have interpreted as Holdren advocating for forced abortions.

“To date, there has been no serious attempt in Western countries to use laws to control excessive population growth, although there exists ample authority under which population growth could be regulated. For example, under the United States Constitution, effective population-control programs could be enacted under the clauses that empower Congress to appropriate funds to provide for the general welfare and to regulate commerce, or under the equal-protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Such laws constitutionally could be very broad. Indeed, it has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society. Few today consider the situation in the United States serious enough to justify compulsion, however."

This comes in a section discussing population law. The authors argue that compulsory abortions could potentially be allowed under U.S. law "if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society." Again, that's a far cry from advocating or proposing such a position.
 
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Whip Comes Down said:
I still don't see Conservatives advocating the termination of Social Security or the Earned Income Tax Credit.
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Neither do I, however, a better chance for reform than with Pelosi and Reid in charge of the Congress and Obama driving the ship. There are very few in the Congress that I like but who we have in charge right now are disasters.
 
Whip Comes Down said:
I'm a Socialist, dude, in the sense that I'm in favor of a strong social safety net.
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Typical of someone who never lived in a socialist country or lived under socialist rules. You will grow up someday. Hope I am here to see it.

This country wasn't built on those principles and that utopia you seem to be looking for in socialism doesn't exist.
 
American said:
I would entertain a better alternative.
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that would be improving the efficiencies of the existing system rather than abandoning it
 
Conservative said:
A liberal is anyone that has disdain for private industry and supports the Obama healthcare program.

A liberal is someone who thinks solely with their heart and never uses their brain.

A liberal is someone who believes in compassionate spending yet never gets compassionate results.

A liberal is someone who wants to spread their misery equally to everyone else.

Obama is a liberal
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Congrats, you just described Sarah Failin' :rofl

And yes, she supported death panel legislation as Alaska govt (and flip-flopped after Obama came into power).
 
Toothpicvic said:
Congrats, you just described Sarah Failin' :rofl

And yes, she supported death panel legislation as Alaska govt (and flip-flopped after Obama came into power).
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What office does Sarah Palin hold today? Keep diverting from the failure we have in the WH right now. Palin had more executive experience than Barack Obama and a radical left record that the majority in this country ignored. I would take Sarah Palin in a heartbeat over what we have in the WH right now.
 
Conservative said:
Typical of someone who never lived in a socialist country or lived under socialist rules...you seem to be looking for in socialism doesn't exist.
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I consider the United States to be a Socialist nation. It's not perfect. But, a single payer health care system would get us close to it.
 
Whip Comes Down said:
I consider the United States to be a Socialist nation. It's not perfect. But, a single payer health care system would get us close to it.
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A single payer system in this country destroys private business, will cost thousands and maybe up to a million jobs, and will further bankrupt this country and make it a second class country like most in Europe.

You want so badly to have a European style economy, you have the freedom to move there. Nothing is stopping you. The grass is always greener on the other side until you get there.
 
Conservative said:
A single payer system in this country destroys private business
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I seriously doubt it would do that, dude. Single payer hasn't destroyed private business in France.

If you don't like our great socialist way of life here in the United States, why don't you go somewhere else?
 
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Whip Comes Down said:
I seriously doubt it would do that, dude. Single payer hasn't destroyed private business in France.

If you don't like our great socialist way of life here in the United States, why don't you go somewhere else?
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Hey, Dude, ever been to France? Grow up and stop believing everything you read from leftwing websites. Socialism has failed in every country around the world yet your arrogance believes it will work here. France through out the socialist govt. and is reverting back to a more free enterprise society. Having a hard time undoing the cradle to grave coverage however.
 
Conservative said:
Dude, ever been to France?
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Yep. I've spend quite a bit of time there.

My grandmother is French and I have lots of relatives in France. I've been there about two dozen times.

I spent 14 months there when I was in the Army.

I have money invested in French Companies listed on the Premier Marché, the Second Marché and the New Marché.
 
Whip Comes Down said:
Don't project your shortcomings on Americans, dude.

I don't find the thought you failing in life the least bit troubling.



What extensive preparation did you do to be a security guard?

For someone who places such a great value on radical individualism, you don't seem to have done much with it in the way of achieving great professional or financial success in your life.
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A troll flame post filled with personal attacks.

For the record, I fell on hard times. Life is like that. I chose to leave the Navy to be near my children. Seeing as profession was Aviation Meteorology and Mine Warfare... not a whole lot of options.

I make do, I get by, my wife works for a solid small business and I pay 55% in child support to my ex wife.
Don't jump to conclusions kiddo about life, maybe when you get out of high school you'll learn that not everything works as planned and some things are more important then money.
 
Whip Comes Down said:
Yep. I've spend quite a bit of time there.

My grandmother is French and I have lots of relatives in France. I've been there about two dozen times.

I spent 14 months there when I was in the Army.

I have money invested in French Companies listed on the Premier Marché, the Second Marché and the New Marché.
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Great, when do you leave? I will put my retirement income and investments up against yours any day. Good luck troll.
 
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So let me see if I have this right, a program that has 450 billion in waste, fraud, and abuse is effecient in the liberal world? I just don't get you people. The Healthcare reform relies on eliminating waste, fraud, and abuse from the Medicare program, a program that some here call effecient. No wonder we are in the mess we are as people like you voted for Obama

With cost savings through reduction of waste, fraud, and abuse in the Medicare system being offered as a key funding source for health care reform currently under consideration on Capitol Hill, eliminating this corruption could require Medicare to adopt private-sector reforms.

The proposal authored by Sen. Max Baucus (D-MT), currently pending in the Senate, relies on such reductions for more than $400 billion in funding over the coming decade.

“Officials estimate that Medicare is annually cheated out of some $60 billion in improper claims payments—an eighth of its entire budget,” said Kevin Wrege, regional state affairs director for the Council for Affordable Health Insurance in Alexandria, Virginia
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Some "estimate" of lost money doesn't say anything about the costs of private healthcare.

And I would like to see a source for that. (ill check the sources used in this thread for anything)

Its going to cost alot of money one way or another, I would just like to see something to say that we would be saving alot of disposable income if we got rid of medicare, and seniors wouldn't get too screwed too.
 
apdst said:
I got a better idea. You pay for your **** and I'll pay for mine and everyone else can pay for theres. That will work just fine for me.
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We tried that. We had armies of old people who worked their asses off their entire lives and ended up either destitute or dropping dead the day after they retired. Let's face it: Insurance companies are legal bookies. Instead of a line on a football game, they've got actuarial risk tables on the odds you'll get sick. And they don't like taking bad bets. If you're in poor health or old, they don't want to insure you unless you've got the resources of a Rockefeller. Some folks they don't want to insure at any price. So my guess is: 1) you're well off; 2) young; 3) in good health; 4) all of the above; 5) 2 and 3.
 
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nerv14 said:
Some "estimate" of lost money doesn't say anything about the costs of private healthcare.

And I would like to see a source for that. (ill check the sources used in this thread for anything)

Its going to cost alot of money one way or another, I would just like to see something to say that we would be saving alot of disposable income if we got rid of medicare, and seniors wouldn't get too screwed too.
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The cost of private insurance can be brought down by opening up competition and allowing insurance companies to sell across state lines. Also tort reform will help.

I cannot tell you how happy I am with the insurance I have. The cost is irrelevant when you really need it. I needed it this year and would have paid any price to get the service I was provided. Too many believe they are invincable and refuse to buy insurance. Let's try creating private competition and implement tort reform before implementing a massive govt. entitlement program.
 
Ahlevah said:
We tried that. We had armies of old people who worked their asses off their entire lives and ended up either destitute or dropping dead the day after they retired. Let's face it: Insurance companies are legal bookies. Instead of a line on a football game, they've got actuarial risk tables on the odds you'll get sick. And they don't like taking bad bets. If you're in poor health or old, they don't want to insure you unless you've got the resources of a Rockefeller. Some folks they don't want to insure at any price. So my guess is: 1) you're well off; 2) young; 3) in good health; 4) all of the above; 5) 2 and 3.
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Insurance is personal responsibility not a civil right. Growing up I never expected someone else to pay for my healthcare and to this day that has never happened.
 
Conservative said:
The cost of private insurance can be brought down by opening up competition and allowing insurance companies to sell across state lines. Also tort reform will help.

I cannot tell you how happy I am with the insurance I have. The cost is irrelevant when you really need it. I needed it this year and would have paid any price to get the service I was provided. Too many believe they are invincable and refuse to buy insurance. Let's try creating private competition and implement tort reform before implementing a massive govt. entitlement program.
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I don't really see the point of that, at not least not what views would support private health insurance...

And anyway, when it comes to the "cost always being worth it" that sounds like the rhetoric to supply government run health care for everyone, because you are making health care seem like a necessity of people.

and with those views of what people need absolutely, (as in education, police, sidewalks) that is the cause of the government to expand its control.
 
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