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Alex Jones’ Prison Planet.com Was Fort Hood Killer On Psychotropic Drugs?

according to this article all the cool people like columbine and virginia tech shooters, unabomber etc have been on antidepressants.

it also states that prozac increases suicide risk by 1200%.

it additionally makes the claim that this angle in all the mass shootings is being downplayed by the media because of their alliance with big pharma.

i think this is very interesting. read the article and comment.

and recall that Heroin was also once a medicine ...

Gladiator

Pharmaceuticals advertize. Mainstream media are not going to tell the truth about what anti-depressants the shooters were taking.

The problem with anti-depressants is more in the days and weeks after you stop taking them, or reduce your dosage. Ther is heightened irritiablity, and other people seem derving of punishment.

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Korimyr the Rat

It would follow, given that everyone on Prozac is being treated for some form of mental illness and mental illness is the leading cause of suicide. If someone taking Prozac isn't already at highly elevated risk of suicide, it calls into question why they're being treated with Prozac in the first place.

It still is. It was invented as a less-addictive alternative to morphine. Thing is, morphine works better so when acute pain requires the use of opiates, there's little need for a drug to occupy the middle ground between morphine and codeine. Heroin's street popularity is largely a function of the fact that it produces more of a euphoric feeling than morphine.

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lizzie

That's one of the problems I have with the widespread use of psychotropic drugs. If a person is having significant mental and psychological problems, you can take drugs to get rid of the symptoms of the problem, but you are not addressing the real problem. It's like putting a bandaid on to cover up the scratch.
Granted, resolving serious psychological problems is an extremely difficult thing to do at times, my personal thoughts on the matter is that it is well worth the time and effort.

Catz Part Deux

What if the real issue is a brain chemical imbalance, such as being bi-polar? There is this idea in the psychological establishment that problems can be fixed by talking about them, i.e., therapy. But some problems are clearly biological.

I have hypothyroidism. I can talk about it every day until the cows come home, but if I don't take my synthroid, I get sick.

Why do we seem to think that brain disorders are different?

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lizzie

Some problems may have a biological basis, but (imo) understanding what you are dealing with is one of the keys in learning to effectively deal with them. My experience is that people tend to "freak out" and try to avoid the issue altogether, when learning about the problem can contribute constructively to resolving some of the emotional difficulties.

Mach

Its such a widespread problem, it makes me sad (not depressed).

The primary reasons are:

1. Real life experience makes us aware that many people, if not the vast majority of people, appear to not behave appropriately because they don't see the need to try, and deny it. You can look to any widespread issue like over eating, under eating, obesity, economic data on worker-management phenomenon, early childhood studies, etc. Many people simply behave in the way they think is the path of least resistance, and are entirely willing to deny it to themselves and others.

2. Because it's internal to the human mind, it's very difficult to objectively validate.

That makes it an uphill battle for everyone involved. One of the interesting things about reality TV and the internet of late, is that people are becoming more and more aware of many of these conditions. We have shows like The Biggest Loser, Hoarders, Intervention, and so on, that help bring this all the way into peoples living rooms, even if they don't know anyone directly with such an issue.

Yet, even so, the two primary reasons stand. Out of all the people on those various shows I've ever seen, maybe 5% I consider on the face, to be seriously ill. The rest 'appear' to just be lazy, liking the attention, unwilling to stop self-medicating, etc. Is my bias wrong? Maybe, it's just so terribly hard to judge from the outside.

CaptainCourtesy

There is a TON of misinformation in this thread about anti-depressants and mental illness. I will try to correct some of this when I have more time.

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lizzie

I take it maybe you are a professional of some sort in this area? I'd love to read your input. It's a subject of great interest to me.

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we have a piece of **** society and instead of getting rid of idiotic laws that make everything ( breathing soon to be added to the list ) a crime - we pump people full of drugs.

if things like prostitution, marijuana etc were legal there would be less need to treat people because they would be less depressed.

if age of consent was lowered to 14 or so there would be fewer depressed people as well.

there are probably many things that could be done ( i am not an expert in this field ) but where is the money in letting people just enjoy their life ?

no the money is in selling them drugs at $10 a pill that they have to take every day till they ****ing die.