lizzie

NEUROSPORT, are you saying that you think legal restrictions of things that people enjoy doing are a cause of depression? Just wondering if I am misinterpreting your meaning.

NEUROSPORT

legal restrictions on things which are a basic psychological need ( sex ) will no doubt result in a twisted lifestyle which in turn will result in psychological problems.

americans are so focused on work not because we need to work hard but because we have been systematically stripped of everything else in our life except work and television.

you slave at work then you get your daily dose of government propaganda the you go to sleep. how do you expect not to freak out and kill everybody ?

and then we wonder why the french live longer than we do after having the greasiest, fattiest food of all. is it the wine ?

no its not the wine ! its the lifestyle. have sex, have sex, to hell with work, have some more sex, drink some wine, to hell with work, have some more sex.

meanwhile an american is working his third job masturbating to 16 year old girls on Nickelodeon or Disney ( because he can't legally touch them ) and trembling if his medical insurance will deny him coverage.

stress = cortisol = heart disease. its not rocket science really. a glass of wine is not the answer.

it is only in America that girls like Miley Cyrus or Hilary Duff are stars. because in all normal countries you can have sex with girls like that every day if you want. but America is a nation of closet cases. you can't repeal human nature but it seems that you can outlaw it. These girls are stars before they make their first movie because everybody has been jerking off to them for years already when they were on Nickelodeon or Disney.

this is extremely unhealthy. in normal countries a woman has to make an effort to get a man to have sex with her meanwhile a man a man cannot be bothered with anything except beer. because there is more than enough women to go around for everybody. in America we have artificially induced scarcity. having sex for a man in America is somehow a sport where you may or may not score any given day. this is ludicrous.

if a person was struggling to find a piece of bread to eat ( as is the case in many parts of the world ) you would think that it is a problem. but when a person is struggling to find a piece of ass you think its normal. but it is not.

in fact the reason people struggle to find a piece of bread in many places is because bread is just not that important. sex is more important. people there already have sex and they would rather go a little hungry than work just so they can get obese.

but in America you have to work just so u can get laid. you have to have that BMW to prove that you're worthy. so people work.

which is the greater poverty - when people choose not to work or when people are forced to work as in USA ?

our money houses and cars are an ILLUSION of wealth. we are an extremely impoverished country and school shootings are just some of the evidence for anybody with eyes open to see it.

how stupid does a person have to be to think that having a big house is more important to psychological health than pussy ?

there is no code in our genes that says you must obtain a million dollar house. throughout most of our evolution we didn't have ANY houses. but we always had pussy. until now. until some genius decided to make it illegal.

be thankful that food is still legal because they're making air we exhale ( co2 ) illegal already too.

CaptainCourtesy

That is correct. I have been a professional in psychology for 20 years and am knowledgeable about this subject.


Anti-depressants are NOT the cause of suicides nor any acts of violence. Kori is correct. Consider that folks who are on anti-depressants or any psychotropic drugs are on them for a reason, so any acting out they do, is done because of THAT reason, not because of the medication. I've read the studies, and as far as I know, there is no provable case of ANYONE committing violence or suicide BECAUSE of an anti-depressant. This is a complete misnomer, supported by several anti-psychology and anti-psychiatry groups, especially Scientologists.

Here's what happens when someone takes an anti-depressant. If someone is depressed, often, symptoms of this are low energy and motivation. When someone first starts to take the anti-depressant, their energy and motivation rises...before their mood does, significantly. So, you have someone who is still depressed, but instead of having too little energy to act on any suicidal ideation that may accompany this, they now have the energy to act. This is why some will attempt suicide within the first few weeks of starting an anti-depressant, and why someone who is severely depressed should be in therapy and closely monitored at the beginning of a course of medication. When the "black box" warning came out several years ago, those of us "in the know" first laughed at the sheer ignorance of the decision, and were then angered and saddened because we know that a "common" person would not understand that this warning was innaccurate. Recently, there was a study, that showed that since the "black box warning" on anti-depressants was put on these medication, completed suicides went UP...for the first time since Prozac was introduced. Reason? Fewer anti-depressants were prescribed. Only connection that was found.

I hope this clears up some misconceptions.

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lizzie

I'm personally not of the opinion that anti-depressants do cause suicide or other acts of violence. What I do see is what appears to be a tendency to over-prescribe anti-depressants and other psychotropics without follow-up or even time spent for actual diagnosis.

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In fact, if anything, these drugs are either not working (in the cases of suicides or acts of violence against others), or the real issues of the individuals in question are not being adequately addressed.

Korimyr the Rat

The thing is, our psychology is itself biological. Emotion and cognition are biological processes, and disturbances in either can both cause and be caused by organic defect. A person with "significant mental and psychological problems" has something wrong with his brain that will often respond positively to medicine. A person whose disturbances are "clearly biological" still requires cognitive therapy because changing habitual thought patterns also changes the physical structure of the brain, helping to alleviate symptoms and improving the effects of long-term treatment. Talking to a competent therapist, regular deep meditation, and psychiatric drugs all have marked and measurable effects on the structure of the human brain and the corresponding emotional and cognitive functions of the brain.

Most psychiatrists, and I will even go as far as saying every competent psychiatrist, will swear to the absolute superiority of combined treatment over either drug therapy or cognitive therapy alone.

Seriously? You baffle me. You recognize and acknowledge this awful crapsack society that we live in, but you think the solution is more drugs and hookers?

Cannabis doesn't cure depression or even treat it; it only masks the symptoms behind a temporary euphoria, leaving behind decreased motivation and energy. In other words, it causes depression and encourages habitual users to return again and again in order to "treat" the problem that it's causing.

And cheap, meaningless sex has never been any kind of solution for a cheap, meaningless life. It's the worst kind of false solution.

If it were tied to other legal privileges and their corresponding responsibilities... yes, I would agree with this. Much adolescent depression is caused by the fact that what the young adult's instincts are telling them is incompatible with what society is telling them is acceptable for their age and position in society. Let them work, let them have sex, and let them make their own decisions like the responsible adults they should be, and you will see much adolescent depression vanish like so much smoke.

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i would agree that combined therapy is most effective. but that is certainly not how most people are being treated.

yes cannabis doesn't cure depression. freedom does. depression is nothing but a realization that you're out of options and the more laws are passed limiting human activity the more depression there will be.

what makes you think that its not possible to have a meaningful life of achievement as well as cheap meaningless sex ?

or what makes you think that outlawing cheap meaningless sex automatically gives every person a direction in life ?

i was browsing books on amazon looking for something about cars and accidentally came across one called "TEEN: an owner's manual" or something like that.

the key word being OWNER. the notion that you can own another human being. disgusting.

Korimyr the Rat

I can't even schedule an appointment to see my pill-pusher unless I'm on schedule talking with my shrink. They talk about me behind my back. If people are getting their drugs without talking about their pointless, stupid little lives, it's because they can afford to pay a doctor while ignoring his advice. In my book, that means that it's their own goddamned fault.

It isn't freedom. It's hope, that your life will be better tomorrow than it is today and that you will have some influence on the world around you. There is certainly some connection between freedom and this kind of hope, but the "freedom" to dull your senses with drugs and whores only keeps you from acting on these hopes. They are false options that will only contribute to the deepening of our cultural misery.

I don't recall making either of those arguments.

What I seem to recall saying is that cheap, meaningless sex is not a solution to having a cheap, meaningless life. In fact, when you have a cheap, meaningless life all the meaningless sex does is underscore the fact that you are living a pointless, empty existence-- whether you realize it or not. That's why it leaves people feeling empty, and why they feel they need to go out and have more pointless indulgence to fill that emptiness.

People with meaningful lives, full of personal achievement and joyous purposefulness can have all the cheap, meaningless sex they want-- because they've got something else to sustain them.

Yes, I agree. Sometimes I think that everyone who has written these kinds of "self-help" guides, that don't recognize that the reason teenagers want to be adults is that they are adults, should be savagely beaten with a tire iron. In some cases, preemptively.

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CaptainCourtesy

I can agree with the lack of follow-up and time spent in actual diagnosis. I'm mixed on the idea of over prescribing. Some are, some are not.

The latter. Too often, people believe that just taking a pill will resolve the issue. Medication is a TOOL in psychology, not a cure.

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NEUROSPORT

i only have one problem with what you're saying - a huge problem.

you seem to be suggesting that individual freedom can be restricted in order to instill some sort of morality in society ?

i reject and denounce that notion.

that's the problem i have with both republicans and democrats.

Republicans think that its ok to take away a person's freedom if it makes him less of a "sinner" where "sin" is whatever their little book of fairy tales says.

Democrats think its ok to take a way a person's freedom to think if it makes him love negroes.

You know people in China or Iran - most of them probably don't consider themselves to not be free. they think they're just fine. most people in Iran probably don't understand why they should feel deprived simply because they are expected to be Muslim and not homosexuals ?

meanwhile we sit here in America crying how horrible it is over there. at the same time we completely ignore equal lack of freedom here at home because we convinced ourselves thats how it ought to be ! but i assure you people in Iran also think that's how it ought to be.

please see the big picture. Liberty is the only thing worth fighting for. religious and moral values are GARBAGE.

yes it feels good to have a sense of higher purpose. but if you have to suffer people who objectively did nothing wrong just so you can stroke your ego - can you really be proud of this ? only as long as you're in denial.

do not be concerned with morality in society. be concerned with your own morality.

reefedjib

I am a huge fan of cognitive therapy. It did wonders for me in pulling me out of a the last bits of a manic episode, as I was in a delusional world not being very rational. The meds did most of it, but the cognitive therapy kept me out of doing it again.

My biggest complaint about cognitive therapy is that when you search the internet for material on CBT, you get some explanations of what it is but you get no material on how to apply it. I recall, in the hospital, seeing handouts on the 10 different types of unclear thinking patterns: black and white thinking, maximalist thinking, and so on. Also, there was another handout showing the relationship between cognition and emotion. I have been unable to find these types of things on the internet.

I am currently not seeing a therapist nor even a psychiatrist. My GP is prescribing me my meds. I am practicing CBT the best I can. Having a combined approach is the only way to proceed.

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