Health-care 'compromise': Blue dogs get taken

Grim17 · 07-30-09, 01:32 PM

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HEALTH-CARE 'COMPROMISE': BLUE DOGS GET TAKEN
By GRACE-MARIE TURNER
Posted: 2:07 am
July 30, 2009

HOUSE Democrats are playing a game of Whack-a-Mole as they try to devise a health-reform bill to reengineer one-sixth of our economy, but the latest "agreement" announced Wednesday makes no progress in repairing the deeply flawed legislation.

Dissident "Blue Dog" Democrats on the key House Energy and Commerce Committee had been holding the bill hostage to a list of a dozen demands, saying it costs too much and fails to address systemic problems in the nation's ailing health-care sector.

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All the other "concessions" granted to the Blue Dogs don't add up to much. Start with the cost of the bill, which they supposedly reduced by $100 billion: Problem is, the total price tag still will be nearly $1 trillion.

Not many Americans are going to believe that spending $1 trillion more on health care will somehow lower its costs. In fact, the director of the Congressional Budget Office testified that a similar bill before the Senate would "significantly expand" health costs, increase the deficit, and drive the nation more deeply into debt. The Blue Dogs' agreement does nothing to alter that fundamental fact.

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Do the democrats really call shaving 1/10 of 1% off the cost of the health care bill a "cost savings"?

From $1 trillion, to $999 billion... Wow.

* math figures corrected
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DarkWizard12 · 07-30-09, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim17

Do the democrats really call shaving 1% off the cost of the health care bill a "cost savings"?

From $1 trillion, to $999 billion... Wow.

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it's 900 billion, which is 10%

Still, 900 billion is a HUGE number in one bill. It's a whole 120bil more than the stimulus package.

Grim17 · 07-30-09, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkWizard12

999 billion is 1/10th of 1%

I stand corrected... Thanks for the math correction.

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DarkWizard12 · 07-30-09, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim17

I stand corrected... Thanks for the math correction.

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lol even I had to correct my own post.

I blame you. :P

The Prof · 07-30-09, 02:02 PM

1. the dogs are under pressure so great to cave probably none of us can begin to imagine, they are being blamed by everyone from party leadership to msm for destroying this presidency

2. their tiny gesture in committee is mere political cover for the skinny butt in the white house

3. waxman aint going nowhere---NOWHERE

4. it's the precisely wrong shape and size for senate

5. it's gonna have seizures just trying to get thru lower house

6. if it does manage to squeak thru pelosi's place, it'll be by a margin as small as cap and trade's (4 piddly votes)

7. any bill that gets thru the house without a strong majority is generally doa on the blue carpet (like cap and trade)

8. kent conrad said 3 days ago, rightly, that NO PURELY BLUE BILL has a chance in the senate

9. health care reform if it wants to see light MUST have significant red fingerprints

10. waxman is the wrong bill, don't worry about it

11. when you see movement in baucus' GATEWAY cmte (senate finance), then you'll have something REAL, and not before

12. a mere HALF the dogs on energy-commerce allowing waxman to get to the floor indicates NOTHING

really, in the big scheme of seasoned politics, it's---LOL! material

sorry

DarkWizard12 · 07-30-09, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The Prof

1. the dogs are under pressure so great to cave probably none of us can begin to imagine, they are being blamed by everyone from party leadership to msm for destroying this presidency

2. their tiny gesture in committee is mere political cover for the skinny butt in the white house

3. waxman aint going nowhere---NOWHERE

4. it's the precisely wrong shape and size for senate

5. it's gonna have seizures just trying to get thru lower house

6. if it does manage to squeak thru pelosi's place, it'll be by a margin as small as cap and trade's (4 piddly votes)

7. any bill that gets thru the house without a strong majority is generally doa on the blue carpet (like cap and trade)

8. kent conrad said 3 days ago, rightly, that NO PURELY BLUE BILL has a chance in the senate

9. health care reform if it wants to see light MUST have significant red fingerprints

10. waxman is the wrong bill, don't worry about it

11. when you see movement in baucus' GATEWAY cmte (senate finance), then you'll have something REAL, and not before

12. a mere HALF the dogs on energy-commerce allowing waxman to get to the floor indicates NOTHING

really, in the big scheme of seasoned politics, it's---LOL! material

sorry

Well, now that you have changes to the bill, won't this version(which is by far not the final version) have to go BACK to the House Ways and Means Cmt. and, then back to the Energy and Commerce cmt. And then that version has to go through the Senate Finance cmt; AFTER the Senate Finance cmt. has already reached a deal on the previous version. AND THAT IS JUST THE BEGINNING! Not to mention all the lower committees before, between, and after all. that

donc · 07-30-09, 09:52 PM

This could complicate things a bit.

House Democrats Demand Robust Public Health Care Option

<The Congressional Tri-Caucus and Congressional Progressive Caucus announced Thursday that they have 53 signatures vowing not to vote for health care reform unless the legislation contains a robust public option.
Rep. Lynn Woolsey (D-Calif.), Co-Chair for the Congressional Progressive Caucus, stated that many in Congress who favor a single-payer health care system have compromised to ensure a meaningful public option.

Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.), Chair of the Congressional Black Caucus, voiced her support for a public option, arguing that it would guarantee coverage, give people a choice of doctors and hospitals and give private insurers an incentive to lower costs.

“Health care should not be a privilege as it has been in the past, it is a basic human right,” said Lee. She also specified that the insurance rate in the public option would be the Medicare rate plus five percent.
“We need to lower health care costs. The only way to lower health care costs is by providing competition, and the only way we can provide competition is by having a public option,” said Rep. Nydia Velazquez (D-N.Y.).

Rep. Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick (D-Mich.) said she doesn’t anticipate that any Republicans will vote for a bill with a public option, but added that their votes aren’t necessary in order for a bill to pass.>

House Democrats Demand Robust Public Health Care Option – Talk Radio News Service

The Prof · 07-31-09, 12:56 AM

ain't leadership a bitch

LOL!

Binky · 08-01-09, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkWizard12

Well, now that you have changes to the bill, won't this version(which is by far not the final version) have to go BACK to the House Ways and Means Cmt. and, then back to the Energy and Commerce cmt. And then that version has to go through the Senate Finance cmt; AFTER the Senate Finance cmt. has already reached a deal on the previous version. AND THAT IS JUST THE BEGINNING! Not to mention all the lower committees before, between, and after all. that

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It seems the powers that be make it as difficult as they possibly can to get a single thing done. Much time is wasted shuffling a bill etc. from one area to another. Money spent. Time fleeting, and all in an entanglement of burecratic bullpucky. Our politicians are great time and money wasters.

07-30-09, 02:02 PM	#5
The Prof Professor Join Date: Jul 2009 Last Seen: Today 10:59 AM Posts: 2,054 Thanks: 72 Thanked 310 Times in 228 Posts	Re: Health-care 'compromise': Blue dogs get taken 1. the dogs are under pressure so great to cave probably none of us can begin to imagine, they are being blamed by everyone from party leadership to msm for destroying this presidency 2. their tiny gesture in committee is mere political cover for the skinny butt in the white house 3. waxman aint going nowhere---NOWHERE 4. it's the precisely wrong shape and size for senate 5. it's gonna have seizures just trying to get thru lower house 6. if it does manage to squeak thru pelosi's place, it'll be by a margin as small as cap and trade's (4 piddly votes) 7. any bill that gets thru the house without a strong majority is generally doa on the blue carpet (like cap and trade) 8. kent conrad said 3 days ago, rightly, that NO PURELY BLUE BILL has a chance in the senate 9. health care reform if it wants to see light MUST have significant red fingerprints 10. waxman is the wrong bill, don't worry about it 11. when you see movement in baucus' GATEWAY cmte (senate finance), then you'll have something REAL, and not before 12. a mere HALF the dogs on energy-commerce allowing waxman to get to the floor indicates NOTHING really, in the big scheme of seasoned politics, it's---LOL! material sorry

07-30-09, 09:52 PM	#7
donc Guru Join Date: Sep 2007 Last Seen: Today 11:15 AM Location: west Posts: 2,846 Thanks: 616 Thanked 489 Times in 374 Posts Lean: Centrist Gender: Total Awards: 1	Re: Health-care 'compromise': Blue dogs get taken This could complicate things a bit. House Democrats Demand Robust Public Health Care Option <The Congressional Tri-Caucus and Congressional Progressive Caucus announced Thursday that they have 53 signatures vowing not to vote for health care reform unless the legislation contains a robust public option. Rep. Lynn Woolsey (D-Calif.), Co-Chair for the Congressional Progressive Caucus, stated that many in Congress who favor a single-payer health care system have compromised to ensure a meaningful public option. Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.), Chair of the Congressional Black Caucus, voiced her support for a public option, arguing that it would guarantee coverage, give people a choice of doctors and hospitals and give private insurers an incentive to lower costs. “Health care should not be a privilege as it has been in the past, it is a basic human right,” said Lee. She also specified that the insurance rate in the public option would be the Medicare rate plus five percent. “We need to lower health care costs. The only way to lower health care costs is by providing competition, and the only way we can provide competition is by having a public option,” said Rep. Nydia Velazquez (D-N.Y.). Rep. Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick (D-Mich.) said she doesn’t anticipate that any Republicans will vote for a bill with a public option, but added that their votes aren’t necessary in order for a bill to pass.> House Democrats Demand Robust Public Health Care Option – Talk Radio News Service
	__________________ Delay is preferable to error. Thomas Jefferson

07-31-09, 12:56 AM	#8
The Prof Professor Join Date: Jul 2009 Last Seen: Today 10:59 AM Posts: 2,054 Thanks: 72 Thanked 310 Times in 228 Posts	Re: Health-care 'compromise': Blue dogs get taken ain't leadership a bitch LOL!

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