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My enimies are not in Russia or the Middle East, they are right here in the US

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No one in Russia or the Middle east has ever caused me any harm, or attempted to take from me by force what is mine.
No one from those countries has ever tried to take my freedoms, or to enslave me.
No, the only people who have ever done these things to me are living in my country although I cannot say they are my countrymen, because they do not believe in the tenants the country was founded on.
They do not believe in the sovereignty of the individual or the Constitutional Republic which made this country the strong and prosperous place it became.
They do not believe in the freedoms the bill of rights illuminate or the common sense of our forefathers who warned that we could only remain free if we kept government small.
I have no ill will for anyone outside our countries borders, but I have plenty for those within who would impose their socialism upon us.
 
Well, to be honest, we are already a bit socialistic.

I'm not sure if you missed the memo.

Social Security
Medicaid
ACA
WIC
NSLP
SBP
SNAP
HUD
 
jdog said:
No one in Russia or the Middle east has ever caused me any harm, or attempted to take from me by force what is mine.
No one from those countries has ever tried to take my freedoms, or to enslave me.
No, the only people who have ever done these things to me are living in my country although I cannot say they are my countrymen, because they do not believe in the tenants the country was founded on.
They do not believe in the sovereignty of the individual or the Constitutional Republic which made this country the strong and prosperous place it became.
They do not believe in the freedoms the bill of rights illuminate or the common sense of our forefathers who warned that we could only remain free if we kept government small.
I have no ill will for anyone outside our countries borders, but I have plenty for those within who would impose their socialism upon us.
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I agree with all of this except the socialism part. Conservatives, whatever else they are, guilty of all the rest though they are, shouldn't be called socialist.
 
jdog said:
No one in Russia or the Middle east has ever caused me any harm, or attempted to take from me by force what is mine.
No one from those countries has ever tried to take my freedoms, or to enslave me.
No, the only people who have ever done these things to me are living in my country although I cannot say they are my countrymen, because they do not believe in the tenants the country was founded on.
They do not believe in the sovereignty of the individual or the Constitutional Republic which made this country the strong and prosperous place it became.
They do not believe in the freedoms the bill of rights illuminate or the common sense of our forefathers who warned that we could only remain free if we kept government small.
I have no ill will for anyone outside our countries borders, but I have plenty for those within who would impose their socialism upon us.
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Personally?

That may be because you weren't in one of the towers.





I reject such an absurdly lop-sided view. There are foreign powers that wish to harm us to their benefit. There are foreign terrorists and powers that protect them (Al Queda - Afghanistan, Al Queda - Pakistan, etc).

This is no excuse for abuse of the constitution, a document sorely abused under Bush and moreso Obama (on the anti-terror front, that is), but that doesn't mean they weren't fighting real threats. They were fighting them, but in a way anithetical to our founding principles. But then, our founding principles only really mattered when the court leaned liberal (ie, Warren). Virtually every single individual constitutional right has been eroded under other rule (see, for example, the myriad exceptions to the 4th Amd's warrant requirement).
 
jdog said:
No one in Russia or the Middle east has ever caused me any harm, or attempted to take from me by force what is mine.
No one from those countries has ever tried to take my freedoms, or to enslave me.
No, the only people who have ever done these things to me are living in my country although I cannot say they are my countrymen, because they do not believe in the tenants the country was founded on.
They do not believe in the sovereignty of the individual or the Constitutional Republic which made this country the strong and prosperous place it became.
They do not believe in the freedoms the bill of rights illuminate or the common sense of our forefathers who warned that we could only remain free if we kept government small.
I have no ill will for anyone outside our countries borders, but I have plenty for those within who would impose their socialism upon us.
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Gee, you don't think ISIS or Al Qaeda wants to take our freedoms?

You don't care about the countrymen those people have killed?

You may not have any ill will towards people in those regions, but that doesn't mean they don't have ill will towards you.

Government hasn't been as tiny as it was initially for well over a hundred years and we are still free. Your hypothesis lacks evidence.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Gee, you don't think ISIS or Al Qaeda wants to take our freedoms?

You don't care about the countrymen those people have killed?

You may not have any ill will towards people in those regions, but that doesn't mean they don't have ill will towards you.

Government hasn't been as tiny as it was initially for well over a hundred years and we are still free. Your hypothesis lacks evidence.
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ISIS and Al Qaeda were both created by the CIA.

Any hatred the people of the Middle East feel for the people in the US has been well earned. The US has been waging war against the people of the Middle East for more than 60 years.
The US dropped 26,171 bombs in seven Muslim-majority countries in 2016. For that our murderer in chief was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.... You can't make this s*it up.
Anyone who voluntarily joins in this effort deserves no ones sympathy..
 
jdog said:
ISIS and Al Qaeda were both created by the CIA.

Any hatred the people of the Middle East feel for the people in the US has been well earned. The US has been waging war against the people of the Middle East for more than 60 years.
The US dropped 26,171 bombs in seven Muslim-majority countries in 2016. For that our murderer in chief was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.... You can't make this s*it up.
Anyone who voluntarily joins in this effort deserves no ones sympathy..
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Nope. That is factually incorrect.

Al Qaeda emerged from the Mujahideen after the Soviet War in Afghanistan. The Mujahideen weren't "created" by the CIA; they had been fighting against the Russians for several years before we began arming them. It's like saying the OSS "created" the French Resistance in the Second World War.

It simply doesn't work.

As for ISIS, there is literally zero proof the CIA created ISIS.

Please point out when the US declared war on the Middle East. We have supported our allies in the region, yes, but that is not the same thing.

The US dropped those bombs on jihadi groups who spend most of their time killing other Muslims.

Your implicit claim that 9/11 was "well earned" noted and dismissed.
 
No one in Russia or the Middle east has ever caused me any harm, or attempted to take from me by force what is mine.
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Do you think if you weren't protected by this nation's military that you could still make such a statement?

Do you think if you worked in the World Trade Center that you could still make this statement?
 
Tigerace117 said:
Nope. That is factually incorrect.

Al Qaeda emerged from the Mujahideen after the Soviet War in Afghanistan. The Mujahideen weren't "created" by the CIA; they had been fighting against the Russians for several years before we began arming them. It's like saying the OSS "created" the French Resistance in the Second World War.

It simply doesn't work.

As for ISIS, there is literally zero proof the CIA created ISIS.

Please point out when the US declared war on the Middle East. We have supported our allies in the region, yes, but that is not the same thing.

The US dropped those bombs on jihadi groups who spend most of their time killing other Muslims.

Your implicit claim that 9/11 was "well earned" noted and dismissed.
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So you do not think the dropping of 26000 bombs is a declaration of war? Suppose a country dropped 26000 bombs on the US would you think you were at war? Suppose those bombs killed your family perhaps your children, would you seek vengeance on the perpetrators? So far as you assertion that the US did not create Al Qaeda and Isis you are living in a fantasy world.

The US military establishment along with the CIA can not exist without a constant state of war. They will do anything to keep the US involved in wars declared or illegal to keep themselves rolling in hundreds of billions of dollars that they steal from taxpayers in the name of National Security. Anyone who defends them and the murder of millions of innocent people deserves to burn in hell for eternity.
 
No, if a country was dropping bombs on the heads of terrorists who had murdered thousands of my countrymen I would not consider myself at war with them. I'd be cheering them on.

I have already laid out why the CIA did not create either ISIS or Al Qaeda. Just because you really want something to be true does not make it so.

The US military can exist without a war. We discarded the idea of not having a standing army back in 1812, however. Deal with it.

Your implicit declaration that 9/11 was justified, as well as your support of whacky conspiracy theories, noted and dismissed.
 
jdog said:
ISIS and Al Qaeda were both created by the CIA.

Any hatred the people of the Middle East feel for the people in the US has been well earned. The US has been waging war against the people of the Middle East for more than 60 years.
The US dropped 26,171 bombs in seven Muslim-majority countries in 2016. For that our murderer in chief was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.... You can't make this s*it up.
Anyone who voluntarily joins in this effort deserves no ones sympathy..
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:fart2
 
jdog said:
No one in Russia or the Middle east has ever caused me any harm, or attempted to take from me by force what is mine.
No one from those countries has ever tried to take my freedoms, or to enslave me.
No, the only people who have ever done these things to me are living in my country although I cannot say they are my countrymen, because they do not believe in the tenants the country was founded on.
They do not believe in the sovereignty of the individual or the Constitutional Republic which made this country the strong and prosperous place it became.
They do not believe in the freedoms the bill of rights illuminate or the common sense of our forefathers who warned that we could only remain free if we kept government small.
I have no ill will for anyone outside our countries borders, but I have plenty for those within who would impose their socialism upon us.
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This is how Britain was able to rule over China and India—divide and conquer.

Divide the populace against itself, then outside forces are able to leverage greater power
 
RetiredUSN said:
Well, to be honest, we are already a bit socialistic.
I'm not sure if you missed the memo.
Social Security
Medicaid
ACA
WIC
NSLP
SBP
SNAP
HUD
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None of those are actually "the means of production"
So we don't fit the standard definitions of "socialistic"—just the "dumbed-down" definition of modern political discourse.

Words' meanings change over time.
We have to remember that.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Well, to be honest, we are already a bit socialistic.

I'm not sure if you missed the memo.

Social Security
Medicaid
ACA
WIC
NSLP
SBP
SNAP
HUD
Click to expand...

Do you object to Lincoln's crazy idea of "government by the people, of the people and for the people"?
 
jdog said:
No one in Russia or the Middle east has ever caused me any harm, or attempted to take from me by force what is mine.
No one from those countries has ever tried to take my freedoms, or to enslave me.
No, the only people who have ever done these things to me are living in my country although I cannot say they are my countrymen, because they do not believe in the tenants the country was founded on.
They do not believe in the sovereignty of the individual or the Constitutional Republic which made this country the strong and prosperous place it became.
They do not believe in the freedoms the bill of rights illuminate or the common sense of our forefathers who warned that we could only remain free if we kept government small.
I have no ill will for anyone outside our countries borders, but I have plenty for those within who would impose their socialism upon us.
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The sovereignty of the individual during our nation's founding? Completely limited to white male property owners.
The slaves had a huge role in making this nation prosperous.
Your perspective is dangerously misinformed.
 
RickJames3000 said:
The sovereignty of the individual during our nation's founding? Completely limited to white male property owners.
The slaves had a huge role in making this nation prosperous.
Your perspective is dangerously misinformed.
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The US Constitution was a political document with political compromises. Slavery was wrong, and the end of its existence before the law was recognized in that imperfect document in 1787. After a civil war, by way of the 14th Amendment, the sovereign role of the individual, no matter his skin color or previous condition, was recognized.

This earth is NOT Utopia.
 
Thoreau72 said:
The US Constitution was a political document with political compromises. Slavery was wrong, and the end of its existence before the law was recognized in that imperfect document in 1787. After a civil war, by way of the 14th Amendment, the sovereign role of the individual, no matter his skin color or previous condition, was recognized.

This earth is NOT Utopia.
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I completely agree. That's why I find Libertarian viewpoints so ridiculous!
 
jdog said:
ISIS and Al Qaeda were both created by the CIA.
Any hatred the people of the Middle East feel for the people in the US has been well earned. The US has been waging war against the people of the Middle East for more than 60 years.
The US dropped 26,171 bombs in seven Muslim-majority countries in 2016. For that our murderer in chief was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.... You can't make this s*it up.
Anyone who voluntarily joins in this effort deserves no ones sympathy..
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Hmm I wonder will this thread head to the sewer directly or will it pass through the CT section first?
 
RickJames3000 said:
The sovereignty of the individual during our nation's founding? Completely limited to white male property owners.
The slaves had a huge role in making this nation prosperous.
Your perspective is dangerously misinformed.
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No it is yours that is uninformed. It was not limited to white male property owners, in fact there were wealthy blacks who owned slaves http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...MAmVsOF9Gs4Re93zWvyrvA&bvm=bv.144224172,d.amc
Please shed the chains of your liberal lies and deceit and do a little self education so the rest of us can stop listening to the same old liberal racist bull ****.
 
jdog said:
No it is yours that is uninformed. It was not limited to white male property owners, in fact there were wealthy blacks who owned slaves http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...MAmVsOF9Gs4Re93zWvyrvA&bvm=bv.144224172,d.amc
Please shed the chains of your liberal lies and deceit and do a little self education so the rest of us can stop listening to the same old liberal racist bull ****.
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None of the slave holders mentioned in your article were of eligible voting age when the Constitution was crafted. Regardless, there is no evidence that black property owners were given the right to vote by the Founding Fathers.

Your attempts at revisionism are both clumsy and woefully inadequate.
It is the height of irony that you call anybody a liar while you vomit your fantasies all over the board.
 
RickJames3000 said:
None of the slave holders mentioned in your article were of eligible voting age when the Constitution was crafted. Regardless, there is no evidence that black property owners were given the right to vote by the Founding Fathers.

Your attempts at revisionism are both clumsy and woefully inadequate.
It is the height of irony that you call anybody a liar while you vomit your fantasies all over the board.
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Is ignorance something that is valued by liberals? Or is it just the distain they have for the truth that makes them refuse to acknowledge reality? It is the liberals who are and always have been the intolerant and hate filled people in America.
 
jdog said:
Is ignorance something that is valued by liberals? Or is it just the distain they have for the truth that makes them refuse to acknowledge reality? It is the liberals who are and always have been the intolerant and hate filled people in America.
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You know... you already have a thread going where your demonstrate your unhinged partisan hatred. Do you plan on polluting the entire board by repeatedly demonstrating your personal insecurities?
 
jdog said:
Is ignorance something that is valued by liberals? Or is it just the distain they have for the truth that makes them refuse to acknowledge reality? It is the liberals who are and always have been the intolerant and hate filled people in America.
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Hey jdog, you see that brush in your hand ? Yeah, the one your using to paint all liberals ?

Set it down man.

Set it down.
 
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