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the most unpopular president elect in decades.

katzgar said:
the trumpsters are in for a bumpy ride.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-most-unpopular-president-elect-181954302.html
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Then he joins some august prior Presidents:

1. Herbert Hoover; "Hoover took the brunt of the blame for the economic collapse in 1929, which began the Great Depression...he earned a good deal of disapproval by failing to improve economic conditions."

2. Richard Nixon; "Nixon was made infamous by the Watergate Scandal, in which his men were caught breaking into the Watergate Hotel in Washington, D.C. He also ordered the secret bombing of Cambodia. He resigned in order to avoid impeachment."

3. Ulysses Grant;"...he had a knack for surrounding himself with some corrupt characters. He surrounded himself with some of the most corrupt men to ever sit on a cabinet."

4. John Tyler; "In 1843, he was the first president to be subject to an impeachment resolution."

5. Millard Fillmore; "He didn't take actions that were considered bad as much as he did not take action at all."

6. Franklin Pierce; "Many consider Franklin Pierce to have set the stage for the Civil War...He was also a supporter of secession, and was the only ex-president to openly support the South in the Civil War."

7. Andrew Johnson; "He had many disagreements with Congress once in office, and holds the record for most presidential vetoes overridden by Congress. He later avoided impeachment by a single vote."

8. Warren G. Harding; "Harding spent much of his time in office playing poker, drinking, and pursuing women..." (Also see Teapot Dome Scandal, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teapot_Dome_scandal )

9. James Buchanan; "Buchanan did absolutely nothing to slow the country's roll towards secession leading up to the Civil War."

10. Calvin Coolidge; "Coolidge observed the conflict leading up to the 1919 Police Force Strike in Boston, but did nothing to ease the conflict. His reaction to the situation gained him criticism as being part of a laissez-faire government."

The 10 Most Hated U.S. Presidents in History

Seems like our nation can keep on rolling despite people hating Presidents. :coffeepap:
 
Fledermaus said:
Lincoln was EXTREMELY unpopular with a large swath of the country.....
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...so how did things turn out when he took office? Good right? The whole country came together and held hands?
 
"A house divided against itself cannot stand."
Abraham Lincoln,
June 16, 1858


We're ALL in for a bumpy ride
 
Captain Adverse said:
Then he joins some august prior Presidents:

1. Herbert Hoover; "Hoover took the brunt of the blame for the economic collapse in 1929, which began the Great Depression...he earned a good deal of disapproval by failing to improve economic conditions."

2. Richard Nixon; "Nixon was made infamous by the Watergate Scandal, in which his men were caught breaking into the Watergate Hotel in Washington, D.C. He also ordered the secret bombing of Cambodia. He resigned in order to avoid impeachment."

3. Ulysses Grant;"...he had a knack for surrounding himself with some corrupt characters. He surrounded himself with some of the most corrupt men to ever sit on a cabinet."

4. John Tyler; "In 1843, he was the first president to be subject to an impeachment resolution."

5. Millard Fillmore; "He didn't take actions that were considered bad as much as he did not take action at all."

6. Franklin Pierce; "Many consider Franklin Pierce to have set the stage for the Civil War...He was also a supporter of secession, and was the only ex-president to openly support the South in the Civil War."

7. Andrew Johnson; "He had many disagreements with Congress once in office, and holds the record for most presidential vetoes overridden by Congress. He later avoided impeachment by a single vote."

8. Warren G. Harding; "Harding spent much of his time in office playing poker, drinking, and pursuing women..." (Also see Teapot Dome Scandal, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teapot_Dome_scandal )

9. James Buchanan; "Buchanan did absolutely nothing to slow the country's roll towards secession leading up to the Civil War."

10. Calvin Coolidge; "Coolidge observed the conflict leading up to the 1919 Police Force Strike in Boston, but did nothing to ease the conflict. His reaction to the situation gained him criticism as being part of a laissez-faire government."

The 10 Most Hated U.S. Presidents in History

Seems like our nation can keep on rolling despite people hating Presidents. :coffeepap:
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Those are august? Why? Because they're dead?
 
I can also think of at least 2 Presidents of whom little was expected of whom both did a very good job: Chester A. Arthur (Pendleton Act, primarily) and Harry Truman. Both became Presidents after the deaths of their predecessors. Arthur was seen as a hack an a pawn of the partisans and ended up doing something that basically said "**** you" to them, and Truman replaced, probably, the most popular President in history at a time when some of the biggest decisions ever were needed to be made. Roosevelt was larger than life and Truman seemed like someone who was in way over his head... and yet he handled those things really well.

Trump isn't President, yet. Although some of the things he's done leading up to his Presidency (cabinet picks, impulsive behavior, dealings with foreign countries) haven't impressed me, he might be a surprise. Obama, who I thought did a pretty good job, was someone I reluctantly supported and someone who, when becoming President was unqualified. Trump, who in some ways, is similar, could end up doing a decent job. If he turned out like Arthur or Truman, I'd be OK with that.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I can also think of at least 2 Presidents of whom little was expected of whom both did a very good job: Chester A. Arthur (Pendleton Act, primarily) and Harry Truman. Both became Presidents after the deaths of their predecessors. Arthur was seen as a hack an a pawn of the partisans and ended up doing something that basically said "**** you" to them, and Truman replaced, probably, the most popular President in history at a time when some of the biggest decisions ever were needed to be made. Roosevelt was larger than life and Truman seemed like someone who was in way over his head... and yet he handled those things really well.

Trump isn't President, yet. Although some of the things he's done leading up to his Presidency (cabinet picks, impulsive behavior, dealings with foreign countries) haven't impressed me, he might be a surprise. Obama, who I thought did a pretty good job, was someone I reluctantly supported and someone who, when becoming President was unqualified. Trump, who in some ways, is similar, could end up doing a decent job. If he turned out like Arthur or Truman, I'd be OK with that.
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Maybe sometimes, the office can make the occupant a better man.
However, given Trump's cartoonish antics, during the primaries, debates, election and post-election, I'm not optimistic.
Fingers crossed and hoping for the best.
 
I grudgingly gave Obama a chance, and believed that he would end the wars in Iraq/Afghan. I didn't see him bombing 6 other countries from the way he started office.

I will grudgingly accept "Trumph" until I see him puddle the floor at his feet.
 
RetiredUSN said:
I grudgingly gave Obama a chance, and believed that he would end the wars in Iraq/Afghan. I didn't see him bombing 6 other countries from the way he started office.

I will grudgingly accept "Trumph" until I see him puddle the floor at his feet.
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the puddle is now a lake
 
Captain Adverse said:
Then he joins some august prior Presidents:

1. Herbert Hoover; "Hoover took the brunt of the blame for the economic collapse in 1929, which began the Great Depression...he earned a good deal of disapproval by failing to improve economic conditions."

2. Richard Nixon...
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Why would you bother with this list?

These are after their presidencies.

Gander the title of this thread again.
 
RickJames3000 said:
Yeah, but this is likely Trump's high-water mark.
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Won't it be delightful when he:

lowers everyone's taxes,
brings the labor participation rate back up to 65%,
improves the balance of trade,
returns to a justice system of laws instead of favoritism,
Expands the tax base and tax revenues,
reduces or eliminates the deficit and

creates an employment environment in which college graduates can afford to move out of Mommy's basement?

I think it's wonderful that the unthinking sheople are so opposed to a man who is going to work to give them a chance.

Bleating idiots echoing the lies of their biased, lying, political driven, rabble rousers who lost and are still campaigning.

Out of curiosity, why do you dislike Trump? Out of more curiosity, why do you also underestimate him?

Underestimating Trump seems to be a precursor to losing to him in a contest.

All of the idiots seem to be taking aim and shooting at Trump's tracks while he is moving too fast for them to follow.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I can also think of at least 2 Presidents of whom little was expected of whom both did a very good job: Chester A. Arthur (Pendleton Act, primarily) and Harry Truman. Both became Presidents after the deaths of their predecessors. Arthur was seen as a hack an a pawn of the partisans and ended up doing something that basically said "**** you" to them, and Truman replaced, probably, the most popular President in history at a time when some of the biggest decisions ever were needed to be made. Roosevelt was larger than life and Truman seemed like someone who was in way over his head... and yet he handled those things really well.

Trump isn't President, yet. Although some of the things he's done leading up to his Presidency (cabinet picks, impulsive behavior, dealings with foreign countries) haven't impressed me, he might be a surprise. Obama, who I thought did a pretty good job, was someone I reluctantly supported and someone who, when becoming President was unqualified. Trump, who in some ways, is similar, could end up doing a decent job. If he turned out like Arthur or Truman, I'd be OK with that.
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Which cabinet picks do you disagree with? Why?
 
radioman said:
Maybe sometimes, the office can make the occupant a better man.
However, given Trump's cartoonish antics, during the primaries, debates, election and post-election, I'm not optimistic.
Fingers crossed and hoping for the best.
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Well, welcome to the 21st Century.

Are you hoping that the new president will communicate exactly as John Quincy Adams did?

I find his thumb-in-the-eye approach to be somewhat refreshing.

Which of the jobs he's saved or dollars he's shaved off the Federal expenses or the Employers that he's shamed into staying in the US are disappointed with?

The relentless echo chamber of negativity is a little tiring when the guy has already done much good and NOT EVEN ENTERED OFFICE YET.

The lies and misrepresentations by the liars on the networks and the liars of the political parties is just a revelation of their ongoing lack of honesty and professionalism.

The acceptance of the lies as truth by the small minded misinformed is disturbing. This, though, is not an indictment of Trump. It's an indictment of our population's average intelligence.

Trump beat the Republican Establishment, the Bush Political Machine, the Democrat Establishment and the Clinton Political Machine. These are the four most powerful political machines in the USA. they have dominated our politics for decades and the result is the mess we now have.

Trump has demonstrated that he is a very formidable force as a campaigner. I feel his picks for his cabinet are astonishingly capable, experienced people.

If this is indicative of the rest of his administration, we are in for a revolutionary, change filled advance for our country.
 
RetiredUSN said:
I grudgingly gave Obama a chance, and believed that he would end the wars in Iraq/Afghan. I didn't see him bombing 6 other countries from the way he started office.

I will grudgingly accept "Trumph" until I see him puddle the floor at his feet.
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Obama did a "best in class" job in some ways.

We are a more divided population than we have ever been.

We are are averaging higher deficits than ever before and have been doing so since the big 0's first day in office.

He has somehow managed to alienate both Arabs and Jews. The NATO countries are fearful we are pulling out of Europe or afraid to help is needed. China is expanding. Russia is expanding. ISIS/Al Qaeda/Hezbola and the rest are growing fast. Putin is laughing at Obama and the US.

Obama was the first president to be at war for every day of his 8 year administration.

He was the first president to never have posted a 3% growth rate in any of his years in office.

We seem to be sinking into something. How deep does a "puddle at his feet" need to be to drown an entire country?
 
code1211 said:
Won't it be delightful when he:

lowers everyone's taxes,
brings the labor participation rate back up to 65%,
improves the balance of trade,
returns to a justice system of laws instead of favoritism,
Expands the tax base and tax revenues,
reduces or eliminates the deficit and

creates an employment environment in which college graduates can afford to move out of Mommy's basement?

I think it's wonderful that the unthinking sheople are so opposed to a man who is going to work to give them a chance.

Bleating idiots echoing the lies of their biased, lying, political driven, rabble rousers who lost and are still campaigning.

Out of curiosity, why do you dislike Trump? Out of more curiosity, why do you also underestimate him?

Underestimating Trump seems to be a precursor to losing to him in a contest.

All of the idiots seem to be taking aim and shooting at Trump's tracks while he is moving too fast for them to follow.
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Lowering taxes isn't responsible fiscal policy in the state of debt we're in.
You'll get to that 65% number in your head, regardless of what any media outlet ever reports.
Trade balance and justice are just empty words to Trump. He has given us no real plans to address these issues.

WTF is "sheople"? You need to quit hyperventilating.

I don't "dislike" Trump.
As a bloviating narcissist with no public service experience in his entire life, I simply consider him a poor fit for the presidency.
 
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