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the most unpopular president elect in decades.

katzgar said:
I largely agree with you. I voted Obama the first time but did not vote 2012 as Obama wasnt quite up to it but better than either McCain or Romney. Obama didnt put enough mortgage/ wall street guys in prison. He also never understood psychology in that he never proposed a big project like FDR did. The flip side is the congress would just have been obstructionist. You need to rethink Jimmy Carter. He is the one that made home brewing legal. I knew when Obama was elected the right wing racists would go nuts.
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You know, I never realized that about Jimmy. Perhaps he made it legal so his brother could have his Billy Beer. Obama's big thing was the ACA, it cost him congress or at least the house in 2010 as the majority of Americans were against it and Obama and company failed to listen to them. To this day, I think without the ACA which really made a lot of people mad at the time, the Democrats would have retained control of the house.

People tend to forget during Obama's first two years had a 256-178 majority in the House and at least a 59-41 senate majority which for a while was 60-40 after Franken was declared the winner in Minnesota and before Kennedy died. Filibuster proof. I think after Bush the second, most Americans just wanted a caretaker president without any major initiatives, one who kept this nation out of trouble. Too much happened under Bush the second, it was time for some peace and quiet so to speak.

Jimmy was a good governor down here. I voted for him in 1976 hoping he would lead the nation as he lead Georgia. Jimmy was a kind, honest man. Just out of his league in the White House. But a lot of people also forget the Camp David Accords between Isreal and Egypt. The misery index brought him down. He may have been a better president than I or others give him credit. I'd welcome Jimmy back today instead of Trump.
 
Perotista said:
You know, I never realized that about Jimmy. Perhaps he made it legal so his brother could have his Billy Beer. Obama's big thing was the ACA, it cost him congress or at least the house in 2010 as the majority of Americans were against it and Obama and company failed to listen to them. To this day, I think without the ACA which really made a lot of people mad at the time, the Democrats would have retained control of the house.

People tend to forget during Obama's first two years had a 256-178 majority in the House and at least a 59-41 senate majority which for a while was 60-40 after Franken was declared the winner in Minnesota and before Kennedy died. Filibuster proof. I think after Bush the second, most Americans just wanted a caretaker president without any major initiatives, one who kept this nation out of trouble. Too much happened under Bush the second, it was time for some peace and quiet so to speak.

Jimmy was a good governor down here. I voted for him in 1976 hoping he would lead the nation as he lead Georgia. Jimmy was a kind, honest man. Just out of his league in the White House. But a lot of people also forget the Camp David Accords between Isreal and Egypt. The misery index brought him down. He may have been a better president than I or others give him credit. I'd welcome Jimmy back today instead of Trump.
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the problem I see is the right wing went to extremes to demonize obama, told a lot of lies about obama and the ACA and many people already uncomfortable with a black in the white house bought them.
 
katzgar said:
the problem I see is the right wing went to extremes to demonize obama, told a lot of lies about obama and the ACA and many people already uncomfortable with a black in the white house bought them.
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The right wing does demonize as in Obama and Bill Clinton as the left wing demonized Bush the second and still try to demonize Reagan. That's politics. But that in the past has been done by the extreme partisan supporters of a party and political talk show hosts. I also think Obama being black, that was vastly overplayed by his supporters. Most people who were against Obama were against based on his policies, political philosophy, ideology, not because he was black. Back in 2012 before the election, tossing out Republicans and Democrats, Gallup showed that 62% of all independents liked Obama, the man and president. But only 48% approved of the job he was doing at the time. I tend to fall into that group, I like Obama, the man, have no problem with him being president, but I think he didn't do a very good job. In other words, I like the man, I dislike a lot of his policies. I think the majority of Americans who disapprove of Obama job do so more on their philosophy, ideology, political differences than the color of his skin.

That's me though. I also think the numbers back that up. What I really dislike about Washington is the political parties position. If one is for something, the other is automatically against it. We don't have individual congressmen and senators weighing legislation, bills, whatever on their merits, just who sponsored them. Then too the art of compromise has been lost. If I had my way, due to the polarization, I would do away with political parties and let each and every candidate run on his or hers merit alone.
 
calamity said:
A "winner" who happened to lose the popular vote by almost 4 million ballots and is probably hated by every single one of the over 70 million people who voted for someone else. :)
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Hated?

70 million you say.

Anything to back that up?

And by this are you suggesting the Democratic party is a party of haters?
 
Fledermaus said:
Hated?

70 million you say.

Anything to back that up?

And by this are you suggesting the Democratic party is a party of haters?
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Trump hate is a good thing. It's like eating cornflakes and strawberries :)
 
Fledermaus said:
Hate is good... Right.

So nothing to back your claim up. Got it.

And the Democratic party is the party of hate it appears.
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What, you never ate Cornflakes with fresh strawberries? Oh, man. You need to give it a whirl.
 
calamity said:
A "winner" who happened to lose the popular vote by almost 4 million ballots and is probably hated by every single one of the over 70 million people who voted for someone else. :)
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:laughat:

"lose the popular vote by almost 4 million ballots"

Now the alt-left is pushing the margin to 4 million votes?

Desire to re-write history must be part of a psychological test to join the pack.
 
ocean515 said:
:laughat:

"lose the popular vote by almost 4 million ballots"

Now the alt-left is pushing the margin to 4 million votes?

Desire to re-write history must be part of a psychological test to join the pack.
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Whoops, my bad. 2.8 million. My head must have been stuck in California.
 
ocean515 said:
Don't compound the mistake by teeing yourself up so cleanly for the most obvious response to your reply.....
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No clue what you are talking about since I am not Left nor part of a pack. I likes me lone wolf role too much :)
 
Perotista said:
You know, I never realized that about Jimmy. Perhaps he made it legal so his brother could have his Billy Beer. Obama's big thing was the ACA, it cost him congress or at least the house in 2010 as the majority of Americans were against it and Obama and company failed to listen to them. To this day, I think without the ACA which really made a lot of people mad at the time, the Democrats would have retained control of the house.

People tend to forget during Obama's first two years had a 256-178 majority in the House and at least a 59-41 senate majority which for a while was 60-40 after Franken was declared the winner in Minnesota and before Kennedy died. Filibuster proof. I think after Bush the second, most Americans just wanted a caretaker president without any major initiatives, one who kept this nation out of trouble. Too much happened under Bush the second, it was time for some peace and quiet so to speak.

Jimmy was a good governor down here. I voted for him in 1976 hoping he would lead the nation as he lead Georgia. Jimmy was a kind, honest man. Just out of his league in the White House. But a lot of people also forget the Camp David Accords between Isreal and Egypt. The misery index brought him down. He may have been a better president than I or others give him credit. I'd welcome Jimmy back today instead of Trump.
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I lived in Georgia when Carter was Governor. And I believe he was a good, far sighted POTUS,. He appointed Volker who raised interest rates to double digit levels . Volker squeezed out inflation and he set the stage for economic recovery but killed Carter's chances for re-election. Carter was willing to go down in flames for the good of the country. I cannot imagine Trumph doing anything brave or self-less. His whole world revolves around his twitter account and perceived greatness.
 
Josie said:
Agreed. Although I'm not sure how those two are related.
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Probably just popped into my head. So, I wrote it down.
 
Just how did a man with such low popularity become the president elect? Who was he running against?
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I can also think of at least 2 Presidents of whom little was expected of whom both did a very good job: Chester A. Arthur (Pendleton Act, primarily) and Harry Truman. Both became Presidents after the deaths of their predecessors. Arthur was seen as a hack an a pawn of the partisans and ended up doing something that basically said "**** you" to them, and Truman replaced, probably, the most popular President in history at a time when some of the biggest decisions ever were needed to be made. Roosevelt was larger than life and Truman seemed like someone who was in way over his head... and yet he handled those things really well.

Trump isn't President, yet. Although some of the things he's done leading up to his Presidency (cabinet picks, impulsive behavior, dealings with foreign countries) haven't impressed me, he might be a surprise. Obama, who I thought did a pretty good job, was someone I reluctantly supported and someone who, when becoming President was unqualified. Trump, who in some ways, is similar, could end up doing a decent job. If he turned out like Arthur or Truman, I'd be OK with that.
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On the other hand however...



General Mattis Crosses Potomac With 100,000 Troops; President, Senate Flee City
By Dick Scuttlebutt

WASHINGTON — In an unprecedented turn in American history, retired Marine General and former Secretary of Defense James Mattis, several years after being dismissed by the President and exiled to his estate in the countryside, marched on the national capital early Tuesday morning with an army over one hundred thousand strong.

This number includes at least ten infantry legions, several aviation and artillery legions, and multiple cavalry cohorts.

“I come in peace, by myself, in order to hand-deliver a Memorandum of Concern to the Commander in Chief and the Senate,” said Mattis in a press conference. “I am moving on foot at a leisurely pace, with no ill will. If these American citizens choose to take a stroll with me, then who am I to turn down their companionship?”

The contents of the so-called memorandum are unknown, but are rumored by Mattis’ close advisors to contain paragraphs addressing unconstitutional acts by the administration and the Senate.

Mattis was apparently done waiting, and crossed the Potomac on landing craft, escorted by a personal honor guard regiment of Marine Raiders. After setting fire to the National Archives and sabotaging key infrastructure, however, the cabinet and most members of the Senate fled north toward New York and Boston in cars, vans and whatever other vehicles they could commandeer.

The President has not been seen since early yesterday morning, but sources inside the State Department confirm that he is on a scheduled goodwill trip to Egypt, which was kept from the press for safety reasons. His travel schedule has not been released to pool reporters.

Read more: General Mattis Crosses Potomac With 100,000 Troops; President, Senate Flee City


We can hope for the best I'd guess.
 
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