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John Lewis;" I don't See Trump as a legitimate president".

Jack Fabulous said:
"Grease up" is a subjective term that can have one of several different meanings depending upon the context in which it is used.
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And your intended meaning for using it was?
 
Andalublue said:
I wonder if you were identifying the Reps as threatening civil war when they were pursuing the birther nonsense, claiming Obama was illegitimate. I'm guessing not.
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there may be a few exceptions but most people labeled as birthers were in fact skeptic who wanted to see the proof

The hillary clinton campaign in 2008 spread the rumor that obama was not a natural born citizen

What kept the story alive for so long was obama stonewalling the public by refusing to present his birth certificate for examination
 
Mac77 said:
there may be a few exceptions but most people labeled as birthers were in fact skeptic who wanted to see the proof

The hillary clinton campaign in 2008 spread the rumor that obama was not a natural born citizen

What kept the story alive for so long was obama stonewalling the public by refusing to present his birth certificate for examination
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your entire post has no basis in either fact or truth. The origin of the birther thing had nothing to do with clinton and has been shown as such on these forums many many times. The election commission certifies candidates and certified Obama. The birther thing is an easy way to know who the racists are. Pretending that Obama stonewalled anything is a total disregard for reality. posts like this suggest either a trump or kremlin troll.
 
Mac77 said:
there may be a few exceptions but most people labeled as birthers were in fact skeptic who wanted to see the proof
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No, they weren't. They were people for whom a black president was unconscionable.

The hillary clinton campaign in 2008 spread the rumor that obama was not a natural born citizen
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No, it didn't. That myth has been scotched so many times it's sad you mention it.

What kept the story alive for so long was obama stonewalling the public by refusing to present his birth certificate for examination
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He didn't need to since its veracity had been tested and proven by official, non-partisan authority from the start.
 
Andalublue said:
No, they weren't. They were people for whom a black president was unconscionable.

No, it didn't. That myth has been scotched so many times it's sad you mention it.

He didn't need to since its veracity had been tested and proven by official, non-partisan authority from the start.
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The first rumors did come from the hillary campaign during the primary

And its not true that it was based on racism even though obama traded on his skin color to get elected

If by "official, non-partisan authorities" you mean the liberal politicians in hawaii don't make me laugh

To this day all the public has seen is a digital image of the document that obama was finally forced to release by public pressure.

But if he hadnt stonewalled it could have been released years earlier.
 
haymarket said:
Yes you could. And yes you have in the past. And it did not good then and does no good now as it changes nothing that 88% of Americans do not live there NOR do all people in California think alike. In fact one of the states that gave Trump the his most votes - 4,483,180 - was California. Only Texas gave him more.
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Actually, because the truth is so obvious, I wonder why you keep trying to sell something nobody but those who share the same limitations of liberal/socialist progressivism are buying.

California gave Hillary a 4.2 million vote margin. It's ratio of support for Hillary far outstripped almost every other state. You've failed to address a single point regarding the influence of welfare, immigration, and government control California's on that vote.

So I give back at you the same you have stated here. You're argument has failed, over and over, and will always fail because it is not honest, and it is anchored in emotional appeal, rather than reason and fact.
 
ocean515 said:
Actually, because the truth is so obvious, I wonder why you keep trying to sell something nobody but those who share the same limitations of liberal/socialist progressivism are buying.

California gave Hillary a 4.2 million vote margin. It's ratio of support for Hillary far outstripped almost every other state. You've failed to address a single point regarding the influence of welfare, immigration, and government control California's on that vote.

So I give back at you the same you have stated here. You're argument has failed, over and over, and will always fail because it is not honest, and it is anchored in emotional appeal, rather than reason and fact.
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Not one thing you said there -or have said in any post - negates the reality that Trump is perceived as an illegitimate president by large and every growing numbers of Americans.
 
haymarket said:
Not one thing you said there -or have said in any post - negates the reality that Trump is perceived as an illegitimate president by large and every growing numbers of Americans.
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He's not legitimate. He's a buffoon hated by over half the country. Corrupt Republicans in highly partisan districts stole the election, also a corrupt FBI sent out a hit-piece letter on Hillary ten days before the polls opened. It was rigged.

They were preparing to say all this about Hillary, if she won. So, we may as well throw it back at them now.
 
calamity said:
He's not legitimate. He's a buffoon hated by over half the country. Corrupt Republicans in highly partisan districts stole the election, also a corrupt FBI sent out a hit-piece letter on Hillary ten days before the polls opened. It was rigged.

They were preparing to say all this about Hillary, if she won. So, we may as well throw it back at them now.
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Excellent. This issue of trumps illegitimacy must be something that is never forgotten.
 
haymarket said:
Not one thing you said there -or have said in any post - negates the reality that Trump is perceived as an illegitimate president by large and every growing numbers of Americans.
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LOL

Ever growing? Only in your dreams haymarket.

Those possessed of this "illegitimate" nonsense are already being relegated to side show status. It's rather sad they are disconnected to such an extent that they are unable to appreciate just how pitiful they appear to the majority of people.

If not for the support of their MSM partners, all this noise would have faded away by now.
 
haymarket said:
Excellent. This issue of trumps illegitimacy must be something that is never forgotten.
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Yep. People need to take the gloves off and beat these RW morons at their own game.
 
haymarket said:
Not one thing you said there -or have said in any post - negates the reality that Trump is perceived as an illegitimate president by large and every growing numbers of Americans.
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That is the problem, people are easily indoctrinated by an ideology which makes perception reality in their world. the EC made Trump Legitimate regardless of the leftwing perspective
 
calamity said:
He's not legitimate. He's a buffoon hated by over half the country. Corrupt Republicans in highly partisan districts stole the election, also a corrupt FBI sent out a hit-piece letter on Hillary ten days before the polls opened. It was rigged.

They were preparing to say all this about Hillary, if she won. So, we may as well throw it back at them now.
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So what happens if he delivers on his promises and you are proven wrong? For some reason you want to believe the millions of people who didn't vote for trump over those that did. Your perception isn't reality as evidenced by most of your posts. You believe Obama was a good President? you believe what the left tells you? You ignore actual data and results. So you need to come to grips with the reality that you just could be wrong about Trump as are those millions who didn't vote for him just like those who did could be right
 
haymarket said:
Excellent. This issue of trumps illegitimacy must be something that is never forgotten.
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Not Much Legitimate About the Sore Loser Democrats
Adriana Cohen, Boston Herald

[FONT=&quot]. . . Clinton didn’t lose the election due to alleged Russian hacking. She lost because she was a flawed candidate who ran a bad campaign. But facts always get in the way when you’re an out-of-touch liberal trying to play the blame game.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Since Clinton’s crushing defeat, Democrats have refused to take personal responsibility. The Election Deniers keep looking for scapegoats. They’ve blamed WikiLeaks, FBI Director James Comey, and even sexism ... Clinton campaign operatives whined she was “overly” scrutinized for being a woman. Laughable, given that Donald Trump’s every move and tweet was scrutinized going back decades.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]But the finger-pointing didn’t stop there. Dems continued to blame anything and everything for Clinton’s loss: Bernie Sanders, the alt-right, the Electoral College … the list goes on.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I’ll tell you real reasons Clinton lost. In addition to failing to campaign in key battleground states, she lacked an inspiring message. Hillary thought she could win by (A) riding Obama’s coattails and (B) attacking Trump.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Never mind that she alienated voters with her “Pay to Play” family foundation, her Wall Street ties or her failure to maintain national security by insisting on doing government business on a private email server — all to dodge public scrutiny. After the lies she told from “I didn’t send or receive any classified emails,” to blaming a video for the terrorist attack that killed four Americans in Benghazi, voters got skittish.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Add to it skyrocketing Obamacare premiums and her goose was cooked — quite apart from any alleged hacking. . . .[/FONT]
 
calamity said:
Yep. People need to take the gloves off and beat these RW morons at their own game.
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RW Morons? What makes a person a RW Moron? Someone that promotes personal responsibility? someone who doesn't support the entitlement mentality of the left? Someone who actually judges performance based upon actual results and not perceptions? Someone who believes that the rule of law exists and cannot be changed simply by wishing it to be changed?

By all means, take the gloves off. Let's totally ignore the Constitution because it doesn't fit into your leftwing agenda and ideology? Let's fight to continue to grow the debt and keep people dependent on leftwing policies? Let's fight to assure that those RW Morons aren't allowed to express their point of view that repudiates liberalism by pointing out its failures?
 




Trump’s attack on John Lewis is the essence of narcissism


Who is John Lewis that Donald Trump should be mindful of him?
Lewis, by one definition, is a 76-year-old liberal politician with a disturbing habit of hyperbole. He questioned the validity of George W. Bush’s presidential win. He once compared John McCain to George Wallace. Now he questions the legitimacy of Trump’s presidential victory.

By another definition, Lewis was a consequential student leader of the civil rights movement. He led sit-ins to desegregate lunch counters; was one of the original Freedom Riders who integrated buses; experienced the hospitality of places such as Mississippi’s Parchman Penitentiary; and carried away the memento of a skull fracture from Selma.

It must be said that the whole business of questioning a president’s right to hold office is pernicious. It puts a hard stop on all civility and cooperation. The worst instance, of course, was the claim that Barack Obama was Kenyan-born and disqualified to be president — an argument based on partisan, conspiratorial and quasi-racist lies enthusiastically spread by Trump. When the president-elect calls out Lewis on this topic, it is a display of hypocrisy so large that it is visible from space. . . .











 
Conservative said:
RW Morons? What makes a person a RW Moron? Someone that promotes personal responsibility? someone who doesn't support the entitlement mentality of the left? Someone who actually judges performance based upon actual results and not perceptions? Someone who believes that the rule of law exists and cannot be changed simply by wishing it to be changed?

By all means, take the gloves off. Let's totally ignore the Constitution because it doesn't fit into your leftwing agenda and ideology? Let's fight to continue to grow the debt and keep people dependent on leftwing policies? Let's fight to assure that those RW Morons aren't allowed to express their point of view that repudiates liberalism by pointing out its failures?
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Someone who votes for Trump would probably cover most of it.
 
Conservative said:
So what happens if he delivers on his promises and you are proven wrong? For some reason you want to believe the millions of people who didn't vote for trump over those that did. Your perception isn't reality as evidenced by most of your posts. You believe Obama was a good President? you believe what the left tells you? You ignore actual data and results. So you need to come to grips with the reality that you just could be wrong about Trump as are those millions who didn't vote for him just like those who did could be right
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What did you do when Obama lowered unemployment to under 5% and jacked the stock market up to over 17,000? What did you do when Obama found Osama Bin Laden and had him killed? What did you do when Obama lowered the numbers of the uninsured by 20 million?

Well, expect me to do much of the same. You deserve it.
 
calamity said:
Someone who votes for Trump would probably cover most of it.
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I voted for Trump because the alternative was much, much worse but you would rather ignore that to make this personal mostly about something you don't understand. You need to get over yourself and realize that those RW morons got it right this time and as been pointed out in this forum most recently Post 665 all you and the left ever does is place blame vs. accepting responsibility
 
Conservative said:
I voted for Trump because the alternative was much, much worse but you would rather ignore that to make this personal mostly about something you don't understand. You need to get over yourself and realize that those RW morons got it right this time and as been pointed out in this forum most recently Post 665 all you and the left ever does is place blame vs. accepting responsibility
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You voted for trump because you are a partisan, puritan. Plain and simple. You don't care about the US as a whole. You only care about your political ideology. You've made that clear for years.
 
calamity said:
What did you do when Obama lowered unemployment to under 5% and jacked the stock market up to over 17,000? What did you do when Obama found Osama Bin Laden and had him killed? What did you do when Obama lowered the numbers of the uninsured by 20 million?

Well, expect me to do much of the same. You deserve it.
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I looked at the results and saw 6 million Americans working part time for economic reasons and i saw a U-6 rate of 9.2% when it was 8.4% when the recession began. You see, you buy what you are told and ignore context

When Obama personally killed Bin Laden I realized it didn't end the war on terror unlike the perception you had

When the Stock market went over 17000, I recognized what you didn't, the GOP won the House in 2010- retained it in 2012, and took the Congress in 2014 meaning that the rich got richer and those who believed that the democrats represented the middle class were lied to. By the way, think Obama is the reason the stock market is close to 20,000 today?

When Obama lowered the uninsured by 20 million I looked at where those newly insured came from MEDICAID which was there long before Obamacare and I also looked that the 11% still uninsured as 33 MILLION Americans.

you see, you buy what you are told and ignore context which is why you lack credibility. It really is hard changing the minds of an ideology because to you perception is reality and there is no place in your world for actual data, results and context
 
Conservative said:
I looked at the results and saw 6 million Americans working part time for economic reasons and i saw a U-6 rate of 9.2% when it was 8.4% when the recession began. You see, you buy what you are told and ignore context

When Obama personally killed Bin Laden I realized it didn't end the war on terror unlike the perception you had

When the Stock market went over 17000, I recognized what you didn't, the GOP won the House in 2010- retained it in 2012, and took the Congress in 2014 meaning that the rich got richer and those who believed that the democrats represented the middle class were lied to. By the way, think Obama is the reason the stock market is close to 20,000 today?

When Obama lowered the uninsured by 20 million I looked at where those newly insured came from MEDICAID which was there long before Obamacare and I also looked that the 11% still uninsured as 33 MILLION Americans.

you see, you buy what you are told and ignore context which is why you lack credibility. It really is hard changing the minds of an ideology because to you perception is reality and there is no place in your world for actual data, results and context
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blah blah blah, partisan mumbo jumbo
 
calamity said:
You voted for trump because you are a partisan, puritan. Plain and simple. You don't care about the US as a whole. You only care about your political ideology. You've made that clear for years.
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Again, your perception that defies reality.. The choice was clear, Hillary or Trump. I chose wisely. Unlike your feel good rhetoric about caring for this country, you really don't because 20 trillion in debt, stagnant GDP growth, over 100 million dependent on taxpayers, sanctuary cities, illegals getting driver's licenses show you really don't care at all because you voted for Hillary
 
calamity said:
blah blah blah, partisan mumbo jumbo
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Brilliant leftwing response, typical. The EC made Trump's win legitimate. Noticed how you make emotional claims but never respond when rebuked. It must be hard being a liberal today or any day
 
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