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John Lewis;" I don't See Trump as a legitimate president".

AlbqOwl said:
I don't think it was racism that prompted the birther controversy. But there WAS secrecy when Obama first refused to produce a birth certificate, and then when he did, only allowed it to be examined by two parties, both friendly to him who then presumably posted a photo of it on line. And then Obama refused to allow the long form to be released at all. (Trump claims credit for making that happen and has subsequently said that he was satisfied that Obama was born in Hawaii.)

We have never had a President born to a Muslim father who immediately abandoned the family. We have never had a President whose non-religious single mother then married another Muslim and lived with her son in Indonesia, a Muslim country, during the President's adolescence and impressionable years. We have never had a President who joined a racist, black supremacist, Marxist church that had its admiration and tribute to Louis Farrakhan on its website and who claimed the pastor to be his long time mentor. When that pastor became controversial, Obama threw him under the bus and later resigned from the church after it became a political liability. And we have never had a President who spoke so little of his claimed Christian faith and extolled such appreciation for the Muslim faith.
Obama quits church, citing controversies - CNN.com

Obama could have been lily white or any other hue, and I think all that would have raised significant questions in the minds of especially those who favored the GOP candidate in 2008 and 2012.

But again, the time to raise such questions is during the campaign--the media of course did not question all that much out of fear of being accused of racism--and it is wrong to question it after the election is over and try to use it to delegitimize a lawfully elected President.
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I bolded the parts that either don't matter or don't make sense to me. Living in Indonesia from from the ages of 6 to 10 don't really count as adolescent years. The father's faith and the mother's lack of faith don't seem to matter when it comes to his citizenship. I don't believe that because someone is Christian means they must bring it up all the time, or that showing respect for another faith should be a sign that something is wrong. Hitting him on the church is fine with me. We can disagree on how big of a deal it is, but I can see why people would be upset about it. The question I have is why do any of these points make you question his citizenship? It seems to me that some of your reasons could be valid in questioning his faith, but not so much about where he was born which is of course the point of the birth certificate.
 
MrPeanut said:
I bolded the parts that either don't matter or don't make sense to me. Living in Indonesia from from the ages of 6 to 10 don't really count as adolescent years. The father's faith and the mother's lack of faith don't seem to matter when it comes to his citizenship. I don't believe that because someone is Christian means they must bring it up all the time, or that showing respect for another faith should be a sign that something is wrong. Hitting him on the church is fine with me. We can disagree on how big of a deal it is, but I can see why people would be upset about it. The question I have is why do any of these points make you question his citizenship? It seems to me that some of your reasons could be valid in questioning his faith, but not so much about where he was born which is of course the point of the birth certificate.
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Let's see if I have this right, the thread is about Trump being called illegitimate by a ranking Democrat Congressman and we are now on to birther, GDP growth, Obama economic performance, etc. Can we divert further from one of the dumbest statements made by any ranking member of Congress? How about it Obama supporters, Will Trump be illegitimate?
 
Conservative said:
Number four doesn't help you, conforming to recognized standards would be conforming to the EC results as we always have. People can claim he is illegitimate but that is nothing more than an opinion and doesn't pass the legal test. Being legitimate means passing the legal test which is more than just number 4 or your interpretation of it
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Why are you pretending the RECOGNIZED PRINCIPLES that I explained is not there?
 
Conservative said:
Let's see if I have this right, the thread is about Trump being called illegitimate by a ranking Democrat Congressman and we are now on to birther, GDP growth, Obama economic performance, etc. Can we divert further from one of the dumbest statements made by any ranking member of Congress? How about it Obama supporters, Will Trump be illegitimate?
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I already commented that Lewis was dumb in calling Trump illegitimate. I was having a conversation that got sidetracked.
 
ObamacareFail said:
By declaring the legally elected Donald Trump an illegitimate president. Lewis is in fact behaving like a third world revolutionary.



The FBI ...at least it's leader did more to help Hillary then to hurt her.



First, you are going to have to learn to deal with the fact that your candidate lost. Second you will eventually have to accept that hacking, if it did actually occur is not necessarily interfering. You are just assuming interference, when you don't even know for sure what hacking they did or did not do. In all likelihood, the information that was leaked about Hillary and the democrats was an inside leak from one or more DNC insiders pissed about how Bernie Sanders was cheated. Ultimately the treatment of Bernie Sanders backfired on the DNC and the Hillary camp big time. Point is...the more your side continues to blame the Russians on your party's loss, the smaller you will look.
Did a foreign power intervene in his election helping him win?
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I was talking about the real world. I have no idea what your reply is about.
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haymarket said:
Why are you pretending the RECOGNIZED PRINCIPLES that I explained is not there?
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You take the definition in its entirety and not just the sentence you want to use. There is nothing illegal that Trump did and there is nothing to make his Presidency illegitimate
 
Conservative said:
You take the definition in its entirety and not just the sentence you want to use. There is nothing illegal that Trump did and there is nothing to make his Presidency illegitimate
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I did take it in its entirety.

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: conforming to recognized principles or accepted rules and standards <a legitimate advertising expenditure> <a legitimate inference>
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You do understand what the word OR means there? OR means it can be one or the other and DOES TO Have to be both for it to apply.

So I took the definition as written.
 
haymarket said:
I did take it in its entirety.
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Not sure how you can take that sentence and call Trump's Presidency illegitimate. He didn't do anything, didn't violate the law, and won the EC. That makes his Presidency far from Illegitimate. Guess you supported Clinton when he questioned the definition of the word is. So put it to rest, Will the Trump Presidency be illegitimate in your point of view?
 
Conservative said:
Not sure how you can take that sentence and call Trump's Presidency illegitimate. He didn't do anything, didn't violate the law, and won the EC. That makes his Presidency far from Illegitimate. Guess you supported Clinton when he questioned the definition of the word is. So put it to rest, Will the Trump Presidency be illegitimate in your point of view?
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The EC violates the basic principle of one man one vote. Comes illegal letter violated the Hatch Act. A presidential candidate inviting a foreign enemy to interfere in our election is a violation of standards and American principles.

All three together render him illegitimate.
 
haymarket said:
The EC violates the basic principle of one man one vote. Comes illegal letter violated the Hatch Act. A presidential candidate inviting a foreign enemy to interfere in our election is a violation of standards and American principles.

All three together render him illegitimate.
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Your first sentence renders the remainder moot...
 
haymarket said:
The EC violates the basic principle of one man one vote. Comes illegal letter violated the Hatch Act. A presidential candidate inviting a foreign enemy to interfere in our election is a violation of standards and American principles.

All three together render him illegitimate.
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then change the law prior to the election not afterwards. There is nothing illegal about the Trump Presidency, the problem is your inability to admit it
 
Conservative said:
then change the law prior to the election not afterwards. There is nothing illegal about the Trump Presidency, the problem is your inability to admit it
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The law - is what allows for the winner to be rendered as illegitimate. And the Republicans continual defense of it renders them complicit in Trumps illegitimacy.
 
haymarket said:
The law - is what allows for the winner to be rendered as illegitimate. And the Republicans continual defense of it renders them complicit in Trumps illegitimacy.
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Wrong, violating the law would make it illegitimate, no one has done that. Get off the game playing and admit you are wrong.
 
rhinefire said:
This is a great example of ignorance in political office. Lewis is a coat tail hanger off MLK's legend. One side loses in any election that then stands up and screams foul is not how democracies work. Democrats could only put up an aging liar with one of the darkest reputations in American political history and yet they whine when they lost to a candidate that won because of the weakness of the dem candidate. The democrats are also blaming the FBI and Russia. Why not blame yourselves for the candidate you put up without a single debate between other potential candidates? Joe Biden would have faired much better against Trump. On the same level of ignorance the Chicago democrats are now blaming the cops, not Rahm Emanuel for the insane murder and shooting numbers every year in their sewer city. Don't they have a mayor that Obama put in office? I can't wait for the coming years to see what the democrats that lost every seat in politics do to cry and whine for sympathy while lying to the American people at every turn. Try, at least try to blame yourselves for your own dilemma for a change. Make sure when you buy your crying towels they come with a four to eight year warranty.
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1) Rep Lewis' statement re legitimacy is flat-out wrong. Trump's legit per the rules of the game. He's going to be our President. Of all of us. Get over it.

2) But, yet AGAIN, Trump has managed to make the other person appear to be the reasonable and rational one by being so child-like and think-skinned. What a schmuck!
 
Paperview said:
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And another point made went sailing right over another head.
 
Paperview said:
Trump - whose chose as his Attorney General a man condemned by Coretta Scott King for prosecuting civil rights workers -- is now spending MLK weekend attacking civil rights hero John Lewis. Nice.
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Interesting that the same man you're accusing of blatant racism voted for Eric Holder's confirmation, huh?
 
haymarket said:
The EC violates the basic principle of one man one vote. Comes illegal letter violated the Hatch Act. A presidential candidate inviting a foreign enemy to interfere in our election is a violation of standards and American principles.

All three together render him illegitimate.
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Which is true of Congressional and state elections not the National election and supports the founders belief that the large urban areas do not represent the will of the people Because of this they created the EC and based upon the socialist republic of California they did the right thing. Our Representative Democracy is alive and well served
 
RickJames3000 said:
Sweet! Another thread about Hillary Clinton!
Why didn't you include her in your thread title? Are you embarrassed that you are still obsessed with HRC?
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Do you think the Democrats will run her again in four years? ;)
 
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