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John Lewis;" I don't See Trump as a legitimate president".

Conservative said:
As an individual he has that right,
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It is sad that I had to call that out for you to admit your, ah, "mischaracterization" of John Lewis and the rights guaranteed him by the Constitution. Your attempt to denigrate him is duly noted.

as a political leader he is irresponsible
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Spell that responsibility out. In fact, quote it when you find the source.

and made one of the dumbest statements ever simply because his party lost an election.
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No one but Mr. Lewis actually knows his intentions no matter how much you'd like to sort that out for him and report it to the rest of us. How do you know that John Lewis didn't make his statement because Hillary lost but rather because Trump is a bigot and may represent a real threat to the progress made over the years by minorities, women and people with disabilities?

You don't see a problem with a Congressional leader calling the President illegitimate?
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Nope. Have you read the Constitution that you babble on about? You do NOT seem to comprehend it.

What a surprise, NOT, you are part of that leftwing fringe group thus have no credibility
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Which one would that be?

The Constitution elected Trump and made him legitimate, that is what Lewis violated
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How did the Constitution elect Trump?

How did Lewis violate the Constitution?
 
Conservative said:
Why aren't you concerned about how civics challenged one of our most Senior Congressional Representatives is when it comes to Presidential elections? This is one of the most irresponsible and divisive comments I have heard any elected official make regarding a Presidential election. How can anyone on the left support a statement like Lewis's?
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Until the allegations that Trump has been "cultivated for at least 5 years" by Moscow are resolved there is a good reason to see Trump as illegitimate. The FBI has had the info since the summer and have as yet not verified or discredited them. We need to wait until they do. Our Republic depends on it.
 
rhinefire said:
This is a great example of ignorance in political office. Lewis is a coat tail hanger off MLK's legend. One side loses in any election that then stands up and screams foul is not how democracies work. Democrats could only put up an aging liar with one of the darkest reputations in American political history and yet they whine when they lost to a candidate that won because of the weakness of the dem candidate. The democrats are also blaming the FBI and Russia. Why not blame yourselves for the candidate you put up without a single debate between other potential candidates? Joe Biden would have faired much better against Trump. On the same level of ignorance the Chicago democrats are now blaming the cops, not Rahm Emanuel for the insane murder and shooting numbers every year in their sewer city. Don't they have a mayor that Obama put in office? I can't wait for the coming years to see what the democrats that lost every seat in politics do to cry and whine for sympathy while lying to the American people at every turn. Try, at least try to blame yourselves for your own dilemma for a change. Make sure when you buy your crying towels they come with a four to eight year warranty.
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It's amazing how quickly someone's entire history is denigrated and cast aside (POW's, the disabled and Gold Star parents, anyone?) the instant they dare to cast aspersions on the Golden God-King. A mixture of bullying and cultism at its finest.
 
Tigerace117 said:
By "illegitimate" he was likely referring to the aid the Russians gave Trump. Back when Lewis was a young man that kind of aid probably would have ended up with you in jail or if you were lucky just with your political career dead.

Judging by the level of moronic comments elected officials have made in the past, this is nothing. It's not even dumb.

What, are you scared that the Democrats are going to act the same way the republicans have been acting for the past eight years? Shoe pinches when it's on the other foot doesn't it.

And your words show you to be just as bad as your imaginary anarchists are.
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In spite of the report claiming that the Russian hacking had no impact on the votes or the outcome of the election? Did you watch ABC Last night and Diane Sawyer's report on the middle class? You think those workers who after 8 years of Obama that voted for Trump were influenced by the Russians? The arrogant left just doesn't get it and never will, people voted their pocketbooks, are tired of the Hollywood elites believing they represent the values of the middle class, are tired of the Democratic Party claiming to be the party of the middle class actually rejecting policies that benefit the middle class and running the middle class into lower classes. Think the coal miners voted based upon the Russians or Hillary's stance on Coal? Think workers on the Keystone Pipeline or working in Alaska on oil drilling voted on the Russian hacking or Hillary's stance on oil?

Your total ignorance of the issue is the problem as is your acceptance of the comments because you don't like Trump. It doesn't matter who you like, you lost the election fair and square and there is no report proving anything different
 
Even if Russia hacked the email, Trump's win is legitimate. For someone in his position to suggest otherwise is highly irresponsible.

Think about what people are saying. They are saying because a foreign country tried to influence our election the winner is illegitimate. If that is the standard then we may never have a legitimate President again. Lots of countries can hack emails. Lots of teenagers can hack emails.

So let's say in 2020 Bernie runs against Trump. And let's say China hacks Trump's emails and leaks them to the world causing embarrassment. And then Bernie wins. Would that make Bernie an illegitimate President? Or substitute Bernie for your favorite candidate. They are ****ing emails! Real ones at that. We aren't talking about forged ballots or hacked voting machines.

The hacks should be investigated because it is a crime. But there is no evidence Trump had anything to do with it. Dislike Trump all you want. I certainly do. Protest him. Fight his policies. But stop making excuses for losing the election.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Here is a picture of John Lewis as "a coat tail anger off MLK". I have great respect for the man. John Lewis is a civil rights legend. I would dare say that Congressman Lewis has done more for his fellow man than Trump could ever dream of doing. I'm proud to say that John Lewis is from Georgia.

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I think that Lewis's efforts during the civil rights movement were nothing short of heroic. However, that one time heroism isn't a lifetime exemption from criticism. What he said was stupid. But then again, much of what he says falls into that category. He is a fringe, leftist, race obsessed, poisonous, hyper partisan hack. This statement of his shows just how moronic, and what an embarrassment he really is.
 
rhinefire said:
This is a great example of ignorance in political office. Lewis is a coat tail hanger off MLK's legend. One side loses in any election that then stands up and screams foul is not how democracies work. Democrats could only put up an aging liar with one of the darkest reputations in American political history and yet they whine when they lost to a candidate that won because of the weakness of the dem candidate. The democrats are also blaming the FBI and Russia. Why not blame yourselves for the candidate you put up without a single debate between other potential candidates? Joe Biden would have faired much better against Trump. On the same level of ignorance the Chicago democrats are now blaming the cops, not Rahm Emanuel for the insane murder and shooting numbers every year in their sewer city. Don't they have a mayor that Obama put in office? I can't wait for the coming years to see what the democrats that lost every seat in politics do to cry and whine for sympathy while lying to the American people at every turn. Try, at least try to blame yourselves for your own dilemma for a change. Make sure when you buy your crying towels they come with a four to eight year warranty.
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Nobody should listen to anything this small brain has to say, Lewis I mean.
 
BrewerBob said:
Even if Russia hacked the email, Trump's win is legitimate. For someone in his position to suggest otherwise is highly irresponsible.

Think about what people are saying. They are saying because a foreign country tried to influence our election the winner is illegitimate. If that is the standard then we may never have a legitimate President again. Lots of countries can hack emails. Lots of teenagers can hack emails.

So let's say in 2020 Bernie runs against Trump. And let's say China hacks Trump's emails and leaks them to the world causing embarrassment. And then Bernie wins. Would that make Bernie an illegitimate President? Or substitute Bernie for your favorite candidate. They are ****ing emails! Real ones at that. We aren't talking about forged ballots or hacked voting machines.

The hacks should be investigated because it is a crime. But there is no evidence Trump had anything to do with it. Dislike Trump all you want. I certainly do. Protest him. Fight his policies. But stop making excuses for losing the election.
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All absolutely true.

What I would have a difficult time accepting, though, is that Bernie would go to war with the combined intelligence community just because the idea that Russia steered our election results hurt his precious ego, all while accepting the sole word of one man who's slowly gone insane in a small room in some embassy.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Well, let's be honest. John Lewis is black and true Trumpers are known for seeing minorities as "equal but less equal". We see it in their proposed policies and we see it often in their comments and we see it in Trump, the man they worship.
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Fascinating. Do have any example of this you would like to share? A 'proposed policy' or two would be nice. Some comments that might actually back up your slanderous charge would help as well. Or perhaps you will simply not reply at all and hope that this lie of yours goes unnoticed by others. I know where I would put my money.
 
I hate it when I realize that at a given time both sides are being complete ****ing morons.
 
RickJames3000 said:
Sweet! Another thread about Hillary Clinton!
Why didn't you include her in your thread title? Are you embarrassed that you are still obsessed with HRC?
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Please allow me to point out the irony in your post.

Sentence #1:
"Sweet! Another thread about Hillary Clinton!"
I did a search and didn't see where Clinton was mentioned in the OP.

Your second sentence (this is the irony statement where you mention that Hillary isn't in the OP):
"Why didn't you include her in your thread title? Are you embarrassed that you are still obsessed with HRC?"


I think we can agree that Hillary isn't mentioned in the OP.
Hmmmm.
Nuff said?
 
Paperview said:
A lot older than you if you think the fight for civil rights ended then.

And yes, I was alive.
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Keep promoting that leftwing agenda and keeping the blacks "on the Democratic plantation" by telling them that you care while doing nothing about it. 8 years of Obama and how are the blacks better? When the recession began the African Unemployment rate was 8.5% and it is now 7.8%. One would expect better numbers with an African American in the WH. Another number for you, U-6 rate was 8.4% in November 2007 and is now 9.2% TODAY. Think the electorate was affected by Russian Hacking
 
iguanaman said:
Until the allegations that Trump has been "cultivated for at least 5 years" by Moscow are resolved there is a good reason to see Trump as illegitimate. The FBI has had the info since the summer and have as yet not verified or discredited them. We need to wait until they do. Our Republic depends on it.
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So the idea is that Russia knew 5 years ago that Trump was going to run for President in 2016 and win?

Doesn't that seem like a stretch to you?
 
rhinefire said:
This is a great example of ignorance in political office. Lewis is a coat tail hanger off MLK's legend. One side loses in any election that then stands up and screams foul is not how democracies work. Democrats could only put up an aging liar with one of the darkest reputations in American political history and yet they whine when they lost to a candidate that won because of the weakness of the dem candidate. The democrats are also blaming the FBI and Russia. Why not blame yourselves for the candidate you put up without a single debate between other potential candidates? Joe Biden would have faired much better against Trump. On the same level of ignorance the Chicago democrats are now blaming the cops, not Rahm Emanuel for the insane murder and shooting numbers every year in their sewer city. Don't they have a mayor that Obama put in office? I can't wait for the coming years to see what the democrats that lost every seat in politics do to cry and whine for sympathy while lying to the American people at every turn. Try, at least try to blame yourselves for your own dilemma for a change. Make sure when you buy your crying towels they come with a four to eight year warranty.
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Lewis and the likes of Hollywood etc can't get over losing. All this blabber over Trump is not legitimate and all the labeling of Trump only enforces the support for Trump. The left across this county and on capitol hill are in the minority, and they can't stand it. Rather than working to better their standing in this country by helping this country get on the right track they continue to demonize it. They bitch the republicans have no plan to replace Obamacare, yet they have no plan to lead this country, at home or abroad, that is how pathetic the left is.
 
BrewerBob said:
Even if Russia hacked the email, Trump's win is legitimate. For someone in his position to suggest otherwise is highly irresponsible.

Think about what people are saying. They are saying because a foreign country tried to influence our election the winner is illegitimate. If that is the standard then we may never have a legitimate President again. Lots of countries can hack emails. Lots of teenagers can hack emails.

So let's say in 2020 Bernie runs against Trump. And let's say China hacks Trump's emails and leaks them to the world causing embarrassment. And then Bernie wins. Would that make Bernie an illegitimate President? Or substitute Bernie for your favorite candidate. They are ****ing emails! Real ones at that. We aren't talking about forged ballots or hacked voting machines.

The hacks should be investigated because it is a crime. But there is no evidence Trump had anything to do with it. Dislike Trump all you want. I certainly do. Protest him. Fight his policies. But stop making excuses for losing the election.
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There is evidence and a unverified claim that Trump has been "cultivated for at least 5 years" by the Russians. The FBI has been unable to debunk the claim even though they have been investigating it since the summer. Don't you even want to know if the claim is true? Or are you comfortable with a man who may be in a position to be blackmailed by Putin as your President?
 
Fletch said:
I think that Lewis's efforts during the civil rights movement were nothing short of heroic. However, that one time heroism isn't a lifetime exemption from criticism. What he said was stupid. But then again, much of what he says falls into that category. He is a fringe, leftist, race obsessed, poisonous, hyper partisan hack. This statement of his shows just how moronic, and what an embarrassment he really is.
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Meryl Streep told us that when somebody at the top, like Lewis, says something it carries more weight than if a lesser person says it.

It can be a dangerous thing if lesser people now take his statement and create more problems because they think Trump is illegitimate.
 
Cardinal said:
All absolutely true.

What I would have a difficult time accepting, though, is that Bernie would go to war with the combined intelligence community just because the idea that Russia steered our election results hurt his precious ego, all while accepting the sole word of one man who's slowly gone insane in a small room in some embassy.
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Yeah, Trump has definitely handled this whole thing wrong. If John Lewis had said, "Trump is a thin-skinned little man child who can't handle the resonsibility of being President" he wouldn't have gotten an argument from me. Saying Trump is illegitimate, however, is just as irresponsible as when Trump said he might not accept the results of the election.
 
Mason66 said:
So the idea is that Russia knew 5 years ago that Trump was going to run for President in 2016 and win?

Doesn't that seem like a stretch to you?
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I knew he was going to run when he started his birther schtick, why wouldn't the Russians?
And why hasn't the FBI come out and said it is not true? They have had months of investigation and yet no conclusion.
 
iguanaman said:
There is evidence and a unverified claim that Trump has been "cultivated for at least 5 years" by the Russians. The FBI has been unable to debunk the claim even though they have been investigating it since the summer. Don't you even want to know if the claim is true? Or are you comfortable with a man who may be in a position to be blackmailed by Putin as your President?
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Oh, Good Lord, don't you ever get tired of being wrong?? It really is sad that you continue to promote the leftwing talking points all in an attempt to keep the base fired up. They are making a fool out of you
 
iguanaman said:
There is evidence and a unverified claim that Trump has been "cultivated for at least 5 years" by the Russians. The FBI has been unable to debunk the claim even though they have been investigating it since the summer. Don't you even want to know if the claim is true? Or are you comfortable with a man who may be in a position to be blackmailed by Putin as your President?
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Sure, the FBI is welcome to investigate the unverified claims. And Joe Nobodies like us can speculate on the internet all we want. But, again, a Congressman shouldn't be saying the things John Lewis said.
 
iguanaman said:
I knew he was going to run when he started his birther schtick, why wouldn't the Russians?
And why hasn't the FBI come out and said it is not true? They have had months of investigation and yet no conclusion.
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You want the FBI to prove a negative? Do you think that is possible?

If you can see the future, a future that nobody else knew was going to happen, do you do well playing the lottery?
 
Conservative said:
Oh, Good Lord, don't you ever get tired of being wrong?? It really is sad that you continue to promote the leftwing talking points all in an attempt to keep the base fired up. They are making a fool out of you
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Right nothing to see here...move on. What if the Russians are making a fool out of YOU. Has partisanship has gone so far that you would rather have a Russian plant than a Democrat?
 
BrewerBob said:
Yeah, Trump has definitely handled this whole thing wrong. If John Lewis had said, "Trump is a thin-skinned little man child who can't handle the resonsibility of being President" he wouldn't have gotten an argument from me. Saying Trump is illegitimate, however, is just as irresponsible as when Trump said he might not accept the results of the election.
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I agree. But bullying the critic for a completely unrelated thing in order to discredit and silence him is an ongoing pattern. Serge Kovaleski for his disability, the parents of Captain Khan for their Muslim faith, and McCain for being a "loser" POW. Claiming that Trump is illegitimate is irresponsible, but how Trump chooses to respond to his critics is the much bigger story, because it paints a very clear picture (and again, it is a solid pattern) of how he likes to shut them down. This is the absolute worst quality to have in a man who is supposed to be accountable to the American people.
 
iguanaman said:
Then why hasn't the FBI come out and said it is not true? They have had months of investigation and yet no conclusion.
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It seems like a stretch to me.

Can you seriously believe that somehow 5 years ago (before the 2012 Presidential election) the Russians decided that they should, could, and would determine the outcome of our election, and then implemented actions to make it happen? And then they picked Trump as the lackey of choice?
 
Risky Thicket said:
Here is a picture of John Lewis as "a coat tail anger off MLK". I have great respect for the man. John Lewis is a civil rights legend. I would dare say that Congressman Lewis has done more for his fellow man than Trump could ever dream of doing. I'm proud to say that John Lewis is from Georgia.

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You would think a so-called civil rights leader would have more respect for The Constitution.
 
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