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FBI Quietly Releases More Clinton Email Records

Excon said:
So you are triggered. Figures.

You also seem to be missing the point.
You made two claims used in an attempt to make a point.
That point fell apart because one of those claims was wrong.
In other words, your criticism of Trump in this regards was wrong. There is no reason to attend briefings where the information is the same.

So again ...
I am not saying that you can not make you point in a different way.​
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Find a different way to make your overall point.​
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As long as it doesn't offend you or criticize Trump, right? (Oh, and no no no, my dear boy, you are the one who is triggered).
 
WCH said:
Not worried about her selling out of America are you?
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Mr Person said:
And how, pray tell, did Hillary "sell out" America? Or are you asking me whether she would sell out America (whatever that means) if she had one?

I continue to think the email server issue was overblown. It was bad, but nothing like what the GOP played it up to be. (Nevermind that they only found out about it by going on a seven-investigation witch hunt designed to try to hurt her with Benghazi. It's not like the GOP decided that it was important to make sure our computers are really secure and discovered this in the course of that investigation.)

The FBI found she was careless but was just about as careless with sensitive info as the last 5 SoS's - a detail her biggest detractors find necessary to ignore - it's just that her carelessness played out over a private email server. It also said it had never charged someone in similar circumstances, that all cases in which they recommended charges involved aggravating factors.

Nobody has proved this false or even tried.

And unlike Trump, she at least made a show of apologizing and saying it was a stupid thing to do.

So no, I do not think that being negligent with emails indicates a desire to "sell out America", whatever that's supposed to mean. I do think Trump's history shows he is willing to sell anyone or anything out as long as it helps his image. Selling out America would not help his image, so no, I do not think he is plotting to do so. Then again, unlike many conservatives who speak about Hillary, I never suggested that Trump is actually evil.

I'm still pretty damn concerned that he thought it would be OK to ignore intelligence briefings and then, when confronted with reports of potential interference in our election, he thought it'd be fine to attack the intelligence agencies for reporting on this intelligence.

Nobody has any business defending him for that while criticizing Hillary over an email server.
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WCH said:
She was an acting SoS with an known insecure server. How much more of a sellout could that be?
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I don't think you understand what "selling out" means....


WCH said:
and I don't give a rat's ass about the 'others' who were doing this or that. We're talking about Hillary.
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You don't give a rat's ass about expressing hypocritical positions?

The last 5 SoS's behaved just as carelessly and I don't hear you or anyone complaining that they "sold out" America. You only want to focus on Hillary, which reveals that the supposed patriotic motivation is just bias.





Anyway, the right needs to settle down. It successfully used the emails to smear Hillary. It got Trump elected. It won. I'm more interested in waiting to see how many of Trump's failures they'll blame on Democrats and how specifically they attempt to do it.
 
WCH said:
Not worried about her selling out of America are you?
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Coming from a guy who steadfastly supports Putin's lapdog over his own country.
 
poweRob said:
Coming from a guy who steadfastly supports Putin's lapdog over his own country.
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You have evidence, of course, that Trump is Putins lap dog.
 
Excon said:
Well, Judge Andrew Napolitano seems to think this "is a smoking gun if ever there was one".


Wut?

Headline.
FBI Releases More Hillary Emails, Says 'Hostile Foreign Actors' Accessed​

What you quoted as being reported.
..."that hostile foreign actors successfully gained access to the personal email accounts of individuals associated with whom Clinton was in regular contact and, in doing so, obtained emails sent to or received by Clinton on her personal account...."​


The problem seems to be with your understanding of what you read.
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Anyone reading that headline and not the article would think that hostile foreign powers had hacked Clinton's server not her associates emails. It's a deceitful headline from a fake news website.
 
poweRob said:
Coming from a guy who steadfastly supports Putin's lapdog over his own country.
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That's so old...already. If "steadfastly" means I voted for him..whatever.

I damn sure didn't vote for the woman who exemplifies "play for pay" but, I bet you did.
 
Mr Person said:
I don't think you understand what "selling out" means....




You don't give a rat's ass about expressing hypocritical positions?

The last 5 SoS's behaved just as carelessly and I don't hear you or anyone complaining that they "sold out" America. You only want to focus on Hillary, which reveals that the supposed patriotic motivation is just bias.





Anyway, the right needs to settle down. It successfully used the emails to smear Hillary. It got Trump elected. It won. I'm more interested in waiting to see how many of Trump's failures they'll blame on Democrats and how specifically they attempt to do it.
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Hillary was accepting payments for favors from foreign governments...big difference.
 
WCH said:
That's so old...already. If "steadfastly" means I voted for him..whatever.

I damn sure didn't vote for the woman who exemplifies "play for pay" but, I bet you did.
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lol... anyone posting a news story saying anything bad about trump and you'll come a runnin'.
 
Mr Person said:
The only reason the hacking because a big deal was because Trump made it one dismissing it out of hand and attacking intelligence agencies.
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You can't POSSIBLY be serious.
 
Excon said:
Maybe the hacking bs was intended to be a distraction from the reality here.
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Mr Person said:
The only reason the hacking because a big deal was because Trump made it one dismissing it out of hand and attacking intelligence agencies. It seems quite foolish to me for someone to suggest that Republicans and Democrats became alarmed and angered over that behavior in order to distract you from Hillary Clinton.
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Harshaw said:
You can't POSSIBLY be serious.
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I was objecting to the notion that the media only reported on the potential Russian hacking to distract from Hillary's email server. I was pointing out that if Trump behaved like any other American, he'd have said "ok, Russian hacking sounds bad. Let's look into that."

He didn't say that. Instead, he (jokingly?) cheered on Russian hacking of Clinton's emails, then got elected, didn't take intelligence briefings, rejected intelligence reports on Russian hacking with a suspected intent to benefit him and attacked the intelligence agencies for creating those reports.

That bizarre response made it into much bigger news than it already was. If Trump had behaved like a normal human being, we'd be concerned about Russia trying to influence our elections. Now it's bigger. We have to worry about Russia trying to influence our elections, a President who doesn't pay attention to a specific thing until he's ****ed up that specific thing, and an electorate that appears to hate the concept of proportion.
 
Mr Person said:
I was objecting to the notion that the media only reported on the potential Russian hacking to distract from Hillary's email server. I was pointing out that if Trump behaved like any other American, he'd have said "ok, Russian hacking sounds bad. Let's look into that."

He didn't say that. Instead, he (jokingly?) cheered on Russian hacking of Clinton's emails, then got elected, didn't take intelligence briefings, rejected intelligence reports on Russian hacking with a suspected intent to benefit him and attacked the intelligence agencies for creating those reports.

That bizarre response made it into much bigger news than it already was. If Trump had behaved like a normal human being, we'd be concerned about Russia trying to influence our elections. Now it's bigger. We have to worry about Russia trying to influence our elections, a President who doesn't pay attention to a specific thing until he's ****ed up that specific thing, and an electorate that appears to hate the concept of proportion.
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I don't know; it sounds like you have a number of issues conflated together here.
 
Harshaw said:
I don't know; it sounds like you have a number of issues conflated together here.
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I should have reminded myself to ignore trolling....
 
Mr Person said:
I should have reminded myself to ignore trolling....
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It isn't "trolling" just because you find it disagreeable.

You listed a number of things which are actually separate issues.
 
Harshaw said:
It isn't "trolling" just because you find it disagreeable. You listed a number of things which are actually separate issues.
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I stand by post #39.

If you want to address my points, feel free to respond on point. Otherwise, don't bother....
 
Mr Person said:
I stand by post #39.

If you want to address my points, feel free to respond on point. Otherwise, don't bother....
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Most of what you said in that post has little to nothing to do with the issue of Russian hacking.
 
RickJames3000 said:
Wait... what happened to Comey's stated commitment to provide that information to the applicable Congressional Investigations committee(s)? I guess that only applied when Clinton was in the running for Commander-in-chief.
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If in reference two the two Comey letter to congress shortly before the election, that was specific to the emails they found on the Weiner / Huma laptop. They compared the unique message IDs from here to the ones they already reviewed and found out there weren't any new ones of consequence to Hillary's case.

WCH said:
Reiterates suspicions that the FBI/DOJ were in cahoots to keep this info from the public and protect HRC.

She may have done considerable damage to our country's security all on her own.
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Do you know of anyone else who got a 'lack of intent' loop hole to escape through from mishandling classified materials? I sure don't.

Excon said:
Maybe the hacking bs was intended to be a distraction from the reality here.
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Maybe. Could be.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
I think both sides that have posted here are missing the point - American politicians, whether they are Republicans or Democrats, whether they were with Hillary or against her, whether they are with Trump or against him, are getting out of control with their abuses of power. Trump is endangering national security by refusing to commit to intel briefings, and Hillary endangered national security by exposing state secrets via a private email server.
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A very good point you have there, this continued abuse of power by both political elite of the right and left.

So I guess it's a good thing that Trump is neither? I suppose that depends if he also abuses his power or not, so yet to be seen, I think.
 
Fletch said:
You have evidence, of course, that Trump is Putins lap dog.
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Trump doesn't back down from anyone or anything. I don't believe that's good makings for a lapdog.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
I think both sides that have posted here are missing the point - American politicians, whether they are Republicans or Democrats, whether they were with Hillary or against her, whether they are with Trump or against him, are getting out of control with their abuses of power. Trump is endangering national security by refusing to commit to intel briefings, and Hillary endangered national security by exposing state secrets via a private email server.
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They are both bad, but not equally bad.

Each differs in intent and potential harmful result. Fortunately, Trump's failure was public and therefore he had to pull a quick about-face.
 
Moot said:
Anyone reading that headline and not the article would think that hostile foreign powers had hacked Clinton's server not her associates emails. It's a deceitful headline from a fake news website.
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Hey Moot. That's fair.

However, what business did Hillary have sending classified emails to a known public server?
To someone who didn't have security clearance? From which they were hacked / obtained.
 
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