Russian hacking evidence thread

[EvMetro]

I have posted a few threads here that ruffled some lefty feathers, but this one should be a little more lefty friendly. I would like to create a reference thread that contains the facts about what exactly the Russians hacked. I realize that rest of the story is complicated, and probably would need several threads to address everything, but let's just list what all the Russians hacked for now. I think it would be appropriate as each person lists what they know to have been hacked, they should clarify one important detail, and that would be if it is fact or allegation.

I will start by saying I have heard that Russia hacked the dnc, but I am not aware of the substantiating evidence that proves this. I will classify the dnc hacking as an allegation, and then upgrade it to fact as soon as somebody posts evidence that substantiate the allegation.

Ok, so what else did they hack?

 

[Koke]

I have posted a few threads here that ruffled some lefty feathers, but this one should be a little more lefty friendly. I would like to create a reference thread that contains the facts about what exactly the Russians hacked. I realize that rest of the story is complicated, and probably would need several threads to address everything, but let's just list what all the Russians hacked for now. I think it would be appropriate as each person lists what they know to have been hacked, they should clarify one important detail, and that would be if it is fact or allegation.

I will start by saying I have heard that Russia hacked the dnc, but I am not aware of the substantiating evidence that proves this. I will classify the dnc hacking as an allegation, and then upgrade it to fact as soon as somebody posts evidence that substantiate the allegation.

Ok, so what else did they hack?

Is actual concrete evidence required?

If so you're going to have little to no posts here until at least they "release the classified information" or whatever the hell the CIA said they were going to do.

 

[EvMetro]

Is actual concrete evidence required?

If so you're going to have little to no posts here until at least they "release the classified information" or whatever the hell the CIA said they were going to do.

I left it open to where it can be allegations, as long as each is recognized as such as it is posted. I posted an example in the OP of the allegation format. A list of allegations could still be a good reference.

 

[Chomsky]

I'll submit the document from last Friday, which Trump saw at his first intel meeting concerning the Russian cyber-attacks, where he seems to have changed his mind as to the seriousness of the issue.

To properly provide context to the document, I'll first briefly quote from it's prologue, "Background to “Assessing Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent US Elections”: The Analytic Process and Cyber Incident Attribution":

"Assessing Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent US Elections” is a declassified version of a highly
classified assessment that has been provided to the President and to recipients approved by the
President.

 The Intelligence Community rarely can publicly reveal the full extent of its knowledge or the precise
bases for its assessments, as the release of such information would reveal sensitive sources or
methods and imperil the ability to collect critical foreign intelligence in the future.

 Thus, while the conclusions in the report are all reflected in the classified assessment, the declassified
report does not and cannot include the full supporting information, including specific intelligence and
sources and methods."

Also, I'll add the boxed disclaimer from every page:

"This report is a declassified version of a highly classified assessment; its conclusions are identical to those in the highly classified assessment but this version does not include the full supporting information on key elements of the influence campaign."

--

Without further ado, the document itself in .pdf form - courtesy of the DNI:

Assessing Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent US Elections

 

[Excon]

Without further ado, the document itself in .pdf form - courtesy of the DNI:

Assessing Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent US Elections

So in other words, not 17 Agencies, no evidence, just conjecture.

 

[joG]

Is actual concrete evidence required?

If so you're going to have little to no posts here until at least they "release the classified information" or whatever the hell the CIA said they were going to do.

The very idea of proof in the conventional sense is largely absurd in this context, its lack will be interpreted as another proof of post-factuality. This is the disturbing issue in reflecting Putin's nonlinear war. It is not the goal in any one attack to crash a Lithuanian internet site or placement of a specific American President. It is about using the complexities of our society to confuse hearts and minds untrained in the issues. The aim is widespread distrust and a general delegitimization of the democratic organization of society.

 

[joG]

So in other words, not 17 Agencies, no evidence, just conjecture.

Did you read it and have you been following cyberspace aggression from Russia under the Gerasimov mandate?

 

[joG]

I left it open to where it can be allegations, as long as each is recognized as such as it is posted. I posted an example in the OP of the allegation format. A list of allegations could still be a good reference.

The problem is that there have been a good number of cyber attacks attributed to Russia against countries like Lithuania, Germany, Sweden, France or Finland. So, what do you propose? A list of articles dating back to 2007 from international sources?

 

[reinoe]

The very idea of proof in the conventional sense is largely absurd in this context, its lack will be interpreted as another proof of post-factuality. This is the disturbing issue in reflecting Putin's nonlinear war. It is not the goal in any one attack to crash a Lithuanian internet site or placement of a specific American President. It is about using the complexities of our society to confuse hearts and minds untrained in the issues. The aim is widespread distrust and a general delegitimization of the democratic organization of society.

You know what can cause widespread distrust of our political systems? The Democratic National Committee working hand-in-hand with the mainstream media in order to sabotage our elections.

No matter how you spin it or anyone else tries to spin it: what the MSM and DNC did is far more disturbing. That's why this Russian hysteria is completely ridiculous.

You at else's disturbing the fact that the U.S. Is officially a state sponsor of terrorism under Obama based on him constantly arming moderate rebels radical Islamic fundamentalists in Syria.

 

[joG]

You know what can cause widespread distrust of our political systems? The Democratic National Committee working hand-in-hand with the mainstream media in order to sabotage our elections.

No matter how you spin it or anyone else tries to spin it: what the MSM and DNC did is far more disturbing. That's why this Russian hysteria is completely ridiculous.

You at else's disturbing the fact that the U.S. Is officially a state sponsor of terrorism under Obama based on him constantly arming moderate rebels radical Islamic fundamentalists in Syria.

While it might be true that selective information dissemination in some media is an issue, it seems in an Anglo Saxon country to be a lesser problem. On the other hand the nonlinear war being waged on us by Russia is a major problem.

 

[Kobie]

The very idea of proof in the conventional sense is largely absurd in this context, its lack will be interpreted as another proof of post-factuality. This is the disturbing issue in reflecting Putin's nonlinear war. It is not the goal in any one attack to crash a Lithuanian internet site or placement of a specific American President. It is about using the complexities of our society to confuse hearts and minds untrained in the issues. The aim is widespread distrust and a general delegitimization of the democratic organization of society.

Where did you copy and paste that from? I know you didn't come up with that yourself.

 

[Kobie]

You know what can cause widespread distrust of our political systems? The Democratic National Committee working hand-in-hand with the mainstream media in order to sabotage our elections.

No matter how you spin it or anyone else tries to spin it: what the MSM and DNC did is far more disturbing. That's why this Russian hysteria is completely ridiculous.

You at else's disturbing the fact that the U.S. Is officially a state sponsor of terrorism under Obama based on him constantly arming moderate rebels radical Islamic fundamentalists in Syria.

Troll.

 

[joG]

Where did you copy and paste that from? I know you didn't come up with that yourself.

You mean, because it should be so self evident that it needn't be mentioned?

 

[jamesrage]

I have posted a few threads here that ruffled some lefty feathers, but this one should be a little more lefty friendly. I would like to create a reference thread that contains the facts about what exactly the Russians hacked. I realize that rest of the story is complicated, and probably would need several threads to address everything, but let's just list what all the Russians hacked for now. I think it would be appropriate as each person lists what they know to have been hacked, they should clarify one important detail, and that would be if it is fact or allegation.

I will start by saying I have heard that Russia hacked the dnc, but I am not aware of the substantiating evidence that proves this. I will classify the dnc hacking as an allegation, and then upgrade it to fact as soon as somebody posts evidence that substantiate the allegation.

Ok, so what else did they hack?

You are not going to see any actual evidence. Because either they don't have anything concrete, its just speculation or what they do have can easily be torn apart by hacking experts who would appear as guests on various news and talk shows. The only reasons for the allegations is because liberals are sore their candidate lost and brain damaged neocons are sore because they think it will be harder for them to start some **** with other countries(hence John McCain and Lindsey Graham jumping on the Russians did it band wagon.). When Trump assumes office he can in theory declassify what they claim to have in order to be scrutinized by the public.But by then regardless of how experts say its bogus the claims of Russian interference will stick in the minds of liberal loonies buying into the Russian hacking claims.

 

[katzgar]

So in other words, not 17 Agencies, no evidence, just conjecture.

a post not grounded in reality

 

[katzgar]

You are not going to see any actual evidence. Because either they don't have anything concrete, its just speculation or what they do have can easily be torn apart by hacking experts who would appear as guests on various news and talk shows. The only reasons for the allegations is because liberals are sore their candidate lost and brain damaged neocons are sore because they think it will be harder for them to start some **** with other countries(hence John McCain and Lindsey Graham jumping on the Russians did it band wagon.). When Trump assumes office he can in theory declassify what they claim to have in order to be scrutinized by the public.But by then regardless of how experts say its bogus the claims of Russian interference will stick in the minds of liberal loonies buying into the Russian hacking claims.

another post from the kremlins basement

 

[jamesrage]

You know what can cause widespread distrust of our political systems? The Democratic National Committee working hand-in-hand with the mainstream media in order to sabotage our elections.

No matter how you spin it or anyone else tries to spin it: what the MSM and DNC did is far more disturbing. That's why this Russian hysteria is completely ridiculous.

This is why I find the claims of Russian interference by the main steam media and liberal hacks to be amusing. For months the media was telling us every little dirty thing Trump allegedly did(amazing how the rape and molestation accusations stopped once Trump was declared the winner) while giving only token mentions to Clinton's alleged wrong doings or just down playing Clinton wrong doings.And they were telling us how Trump was going to lose. Its because of the fact we have a dishonest media in the bag for the DNC why I believed Trump was going to get his ass handed to him and that Trump supporters were basically gift wrapping the election to Clinton.

You at else's disturbing the fact that the U.S. Is officially a state sponsor of terrorism under Obama based on him constantly arming moderate rebels radical Islamic fundamentalists in Syria.

I think that considering how supportive many of those in middle eastern countries are of sharia law I think how we use the term moderate or radical is mis-used. The actual radial Muslims would be those who say "no you should not kill homosexuals", "women don't have to dress like they are Ku Klux Klan members or in circus tents", or "women can have the same rights as men".

 

[jamesrage]

another post from the kremlins basement

 

[Excon]

Did you read it ...

Of course, that is the reason I was able to say what I did.

The only conjecture I am willing to accept at face value is that this type of behavior is routine. (Ours as well).
Which would beg the question as to why there was nothing in place to prevent it? (Or more likely there was and instead all this came from Podesta losing his phone.)


As I related elsewhere.
Bottom line for me?
This isn't States secrets and has nothing to do with State secrets.
It was members of a private entity engaging in questionable behavior that the public is better off knowing than not knowing, especially when it comes to our electoral process.
So I don't care where it came from.

 

[Excon]

a post not grounded in reality

Wrong as usual.

 

[Mycroft]

Here is some evidence...against the notion of Russian hacking.

 

[Jetboogieman]

Here is some evidence...against the notion of Russian hacking.

Russia Today and John Mcafee... well done Mycroft, even for a birther it's incredible you'd claim that as evidence.

 

[Thoreau72]

I left it open to where it can be allegations, as long as each is recognized as such as it is posted. I posted an example in the OP of the allegation format. A list of allegations could still be a good reference.

Hints and allegations with no proof whatsoever is how the US government and mainstream media operate these days. Are you attempting to fit into that style?

 

[Thoreau72]

a post not grounded in reality

What's not grounded in reality is the fashionable claim that Russia hacked into DNC and our elections process. Fashionable, but not proved in any way. Let's go stand in the parade and admire The Emperor's New Clothes, eh? :lol:

 

[katzgar]

What's not grounded in reality is the fashionable claim that Russia hacked into DNC and our elections process. Fashionable, but not proved in any way. Let's go stand in the parade and admire The Emperor's New Clothes, eh? :lol:

your post is dishonest and not grounded in truth