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Did Trump supporters get conned by Russians?

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Between the stolen emails and especially the "fake news", it seems like Trump supporters got totally conned by Russians. Now they, the Trump supporters and Trump himself, are tryiing to get us to believe it didn't make a difference. That is the biggest laugh of all. They should just fess up and say we got totally fooled. And now we have a president who is the stooge of the Commies, I mean the Russians. I have to also luagh about how many times I have read on political messsage boards how lefties are commies. Seems to me it is the other way around.
 
independentusa said:
Between the stolen emails and especially the "fake news", it seems like Trump supporters got totally conned by Russians. Now they, the Trump supporters and Trump himself, are tryiing to get us to believe it didn't make a difference. That is the biggest laugh of all. They should just fess up and say we got totally fooled. And now we have a president who is the stooge of the Commies, I mean the Russians. I have to also luagh about how many times I have read on political messsage boards how lefties are commies. Seems to me it is the other way around.
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Were the emails real or not?

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If the emails had any effect at all it was in causing Democratic voters to not show up. I doubt many, if any, people voted for Trump because of the emails. Hillary was the second least popular candidate in history even before the email leaks.
 
I very much doubt that any of those WikiLeaks releases had any major effect on the election as a whole. If anything it just solidified people's votes (for Trump and Hillary).
 
independentusa said:
Between the stolen emails and especially the "fake news", it seems like Trump supporters got totally conned by Russians. Now they, the Trump supporters and Trump himself, are tryiing to get us to believe it didn't make a difference. That is the biggest laugh of all. They should just fess up and say we got totally fooled. And now we have a president who is the stooge of the Commies, I mean the Russians. I have to also luagh about how many times I have read on political messsage boards how lefties are commies. Seems to me it is the other way around.
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Id say the dems voters were conned
 
BrewerBob said:
If the emails had any effect at all it was in causing Democratic voters to not show up. I doubt many, if any, people voted for Trump because of the emails. Hillary was the second least popular candidate in history even before the email leaks.
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Ya, and a lot of that was due to how Clinton Corp acted after the FBI director said that there might be something of interest on the Carlos Danger computer, that is to say guilty. Hillary is really really bad at this. D's should have their pitchforks out with what the elite in the party did to them, but too many are not that smart.
 
What difference, at this point, does it make? ;)

There was election meddling, via DNC/MSM collusion to benefit Hillary, but it was exposed by the Russians so it simply does not count. Had the source of that tip remained anonymous then we would possibly be concerned about the actual election meddling exposed yet since we know (with some reasonable assurance) that the evil Russians exposed that meddling we must blame Trump for it. ;)
 
Bernie supporters should watch his town hall Monday night and then decide who got conned .
 
ttwtt78640 said:
What difference, at this point, does it make? ;)

There was election meddling, via DNC/MSM collusion to benefit Hillary, but it was exposed by the Russians so it simply does not count. Had the source of that tip remained anonymous then we would possibly be concerned about the actual election meddling exposed yet since we know (with some reasonable assurance) that the evil Russians exposed that meddling we must blame Trump for it. ;)
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Since trump specifically asked for it from putin and assange BEFORE the election.

If trump and his voters could just come clean with themselves, they could move on .
 
NIMBY said:
Since trump specifically asked for it from putin and assange BEFORE the election.

If trump and his voters could just come clean with themselves, they could move on .
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I think you might have that confused with Trump wanting the deleted emails from HRC's personal closet server exposed but as long as the Russians, Trump and emails are involved then you can be satisfied that your fantasy is (somewhat?) true.
 
independentusa said:
Between the stolen emails and especially the "fake news", it seems like Trump supporters got totally conned by Russians. Now they, the Trump supporters and Trump himself, are tryiing to get us to believe it didn't make a difference. That is the biggest laugh of all. They should just fess up and say we got totally fooled. And now we have a president who is the stooge of the Commies, I mean the Russians. I have to also luagh about how many times I have read on political messsage boards how lefties are commies. Seems to me it is the other way around.
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Looks like independentusa is just a tool of the left. But go ahead. How, exactly, were the voters 'conned' by Russia? No one voted for either candidate based upon those Podesta emails. No one. Now, if Donna Brazile were the one running for president, you might have a grain of an argument. But since she wasn't, your OP is just arrogance fueled rubbish.
 
independentusa said:
Between the stolen emails and especially the "fake news", it seems like Trump supporters got totally conned by Russians. Now they, the Trump supporters and Trump himself, are tryiing to get us to believe it didn't make a difference. That is the biggest laugh of all. They should just fess up and say we got totally fooled. And now we have a president who is the stooge of the Commies, I mean the Russians. I have to also luagh about how many times I have read on political messsage boards how lefties are commies. Seems to me it is the other way around.
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Ok, are you intelligent enough to realize that the fools here are the ones who are told the truth which NOBODY denies and then are mad? Don't blame Russian because they've been one upped by Obama who by the way has been one upped since the dawn of time. Seriously he doesn't care and Putin doesn't care. But we should care. Ask yourself about Israel and obamas corruption there and then get back with us.
 
BrewerBob said:
If the emails had any effect at all it was in causing Democratic voters to not show up. I doubt many, if any, people voted for Trump because of the emails. Hillary was the second least popular candidate in history even before the email leaks.
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Ah, yes.

But what is the electoral sum difference between motivating a Trump vote, and suppressing an HRC vote? None.

But, you are right.
 
Fletch said:
Looks like independentusa is just a tool of the left. But go ahead. How, exactly, were the voters 'conned' by Russia? No one voted for either candidate based upon those Podesta emails. No one. Now, if Donna Brazile were the one running for president, you might have a grain of an argument. But since she wasn't, your OP is just arrogance fueled rubbish.
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Fletch, we just beat this to death on the other thread.

There's no way you can claim no votes were influenced by Podesta's leaked emails. Many Bernie supporters were outraged, and it's likely some of them may have been outraged to the point of not switching-over to HRC.

But to speak with such absolute authority on your part, is just wrong.
 
Chomsky said:
Fletch, we just beat this to death on the other thread.

There's no way you can claim no votes were influenced by Podesta's leaked emails. Many Bernie supporters were outraged, and it's likely some of them may have been outraged to the point of not switching-over to HRC.

But to speak with such absolute authority on your part, is just wrong.
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Okay, obviously that's not the case. Of course there were some people out there that changed their vote because of this. The question is whether it had a significant impact on the votes or not.

I say not really.
 
What do you think we would have found out if we had seen the GOP emails? We didn't because the Russians knew whichside of the bread the butter was on. They had a stooge in Trump and they meant to have him winner. Look at how he is playing the whole thing. We have to be friends with the Russians and let them take control of whatever land they want is what it comes doen to .
 
TheGoverness said:
Okay, obviously that's not the case. Of course there were some people out there that changed their vote because of this. The question is whether it had a significant impact on the votes or not.

I say not really.
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I say you should back that sentiment up.
 
Chomsky said:
Fletch, we just beat this to death on the other thread.

There's no way you can claim no votes were influenced by Podesta's leaked emails. Many Bernie supporters were outraged, and it's likely some of them may have been outraged to the point of not switching-over to HRC.

But to speak with such absolute authority on your part, is just wrong.
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You know, I hadn't considered the possibility of Sanders people voting for Trump out of anger regarding the DNC treatment of Bernie. So, yeah, there might have been some of that.
 
TheGoverness said:
Okay, obviously that's not the case. Of course there were some people out there that changed their vote because of this. The question is whether it had a significant impact on the votes or not.

I say not really.
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That's fair.

No one can claim or ascertain exactly what effect the leaked emails had. But neither can a poster claim, "they had no effect".

I'm sure they had some effect suppressing the Bernie vote crossing-over to Hillary. How much, I don't know. I find it impossible to believe otherwise, but I can respect other's opinion to the contrary.. i just can't see anyone making an absolutist claim that there was no effect.
 
Fruityfact said:
I say you should back that sentiment up.
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There's no way I can possibly gauge that, but from my experience, the fact that I only seen very few people that changed their vote, shows that it didn't have much effect on people's votes that some are making it out to be.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
I think you might have that confused with Trump wanting the deleted emails from HRC's personal closet server exposed but as long as the Russians, Trump and emails are involved then you can be satisfied that your fantasy is (somewhat?) true.
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In that speech, Trump asked the Russians if they had copies if Hillary's emails from her server, the ones that she deleted (while they should have been held for evidence), if they wouldn't mind sharing a copy with the authorities (FBI).

Now if the Russian really did want to influence the election, and if they had copies of those emails (probably do), that'd have been the way to really sink Hillary in a mess of legal trouble, and really influence the election, don't you think?
 
NIMBY said:
Since trump specifically asked for it from putin and assange BEFORE the election.

If trump and his voters could just come clean with themselves, they could move on .
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I don't think Russia needed Trump's approval. Or Assange.
 
Chomsky said:
That's fair.

No one can claim or ascertain exactly what effect the leaked emails had. But neither can a poster claim, "they had no effect".

I'm sure they had some effect suppressing the Bernie vote crossing-over to Hillary. How much, I don't know. I find it impossible to believe otherwise, but I can respect other's opinion to the contrary.. i just can't see anyone making an absolutist claim that there was no effect.
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The establishment is doing a fine job misdirecting anger...

The outrage should be that the MSM and DNC colluded to sabotage our elections, not that the truth was exposed about said establishment organizations.

And despite all the noise, there's still no credible evidence it was the Russians.
 
eohrnberger said:
In that speech, Trump asked the Russians if they had copies if Hillary's emails from her server, the ones that she deleted (while they should have been held for evidence), if they wouldn't mind sharing a copy with the authorities (FBI).

Now if the Russian really did want to influence the election, and if they had copies of those emails (probably do), that'd have been the way to really sink Hillary in a mess of legal trouble, and really influence the election, don't you think?
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We can quibble the details, but isn't the problem here an American Presidential candidate asking an enemy state's help in winning the election?

That's the problem I see.
 
reinoe said:
The establishment is doing a fine job misdirecting anger...

The outrage should be that the MSM and DNC colluded to sabotage our elections, not that the truth was exposed about said establishment organizations.

And despite all the noise, there's still no credible evidence it was the Russians.
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Oh there's plenty of blame to around in the media.

But that's not to nullify or exclude foreign individuals or states mucking in our election.
 
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