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California Secession, The State of Jefferson and the myth of the “Left Coast”

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In reaction to the Trump election there is a movement by Leftist for California to secede from the Union.

This is stupid, illegal and with people like Nancy Pelosi running the Government and Economy of this new republic it will end up another Venezuela inside of 5 years.

The part this Group of Leftist has not noticed or fails to mention is that most of Northern California would not want to go with them. Culturally and economically most of Northern California has more in common with Texas that they do with San Francisco or L.A.

Oregon is a similar situation, anywhere outside of the Portland, Eugene or Salem areas it’s a hardcore red state. Oregon has 100% mail in ballot voting. Although never proven it’s strongly suspected that without election fraud Oregon’s electoral votes would have gone to Romney in 2012 and Trump in 2016.

In late 30s and early 40s there was a movement for counties in Southern Oregon and Northern California to secede from their respective states and form the State of Jefferson. It’s perfectly legal and it’s how about 20% of the existing states were formed (Main seceded from Massachusetts –Kentucky and later West Virginia seceded from Virginia etc.) . Jefferson would have been the 49th state with Alaska 50 and Hawaii 51. The final procedural process was scheduled for mid December 1941 but the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. With WW2 the State of Jefferson was put on the back burner. With some of the leadership in that movement killed in combat it never happened.

Today there is a new State of Jefferson movement in most Northern California counties. The reason comes down to: Southern California setting policy for Northern California is about as culturally and economically the same as New York City setting policy for Wyoming.
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No one is seceding from the Union. It's like when people claim Texas or this or that is going to secede...no one is going to. South won't rise again, and ain't no state leaving the Republic.

Jesus people.
 
In reaction to the Trump election there is a movement by Leftist for California to secede from the Union.

This is stupid, illegal and with people like Nancy Pelosi running the Government and Economy of this new republic it will end up another Venezuela inside of 5 years.

The part this Group of Leftist has not noticed or fails to mention is that most of Northern California would not want to go with them. Culturally and economically most of Northern California has more in common with Texas that they do with San Francisco or L.A.

Oregon is a similar situation, anywhere outside of the Portland, Eugene or Salem areas it’s a hardcore red state. Oregon has 100% mail in ballot voting. Although never proven it’s strongly suspected that without election fraud Oregon’s electoral votes would have gone to Romney in 2012 and Trump in 2016.

In late 30s and early 40s there was a movement for counties in Southern Oregon and Northern California to secede from their respective states and form the State of Jefferson. It’s perfectly legal and it’s how about 20% of the existing states were formed (Main seceded from Massachusetts –Kentucky and later West Virginia seceded from Virginia etc.) . Jefferson would have been the 49th state with Alaska 50 and Hawaii 51. The final procedural process was scheduled for mid December 1941 but the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. With WW2 the State of Jefferson was put on the back burner. With some of the leadership in that movement killed in combat it never happened.

Today there is a new State of Jefferson movement in most Northern California counties. The reason comes down to: Southern California setting policy for Northern California is about as culturally and economically the same as New York City setting policy for Wyoming.
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Believe me, there's a lot of places that would like to secede from Trump, but that ain't gonna happen either!
 
No one is seceding from the Union. It's like when people claim Texas or this or that is going to secede...no one is going to. South won't rise again, and ain't no state leaving the Republic.

Jesus people.

secession is not the main point
 
In reaction to the Trump election there is a movement by Leftist for California to secede from the Union.

This is stupid, illegal and with people like Nancy Pelosi running the Government and Economy of this new republic it will end up another Venezuela inside of 5 years.

The part this Group of Leftist has not noticed or fails to mention is that most of Northern California would not want to go with them. Culturally and economically most of Northern California has more in common with Texas that they do with San Francisco or L.A.

Oregon is a similar situation, anywhere outside of the Portland, Eugene or Salem areas it’s a hardcore red state. Oregon has 100% mail in ballot voting. Although never proven it’s strongly suspected that without election fraud Oregon’s electoral votes would have gone to Romney in 2012 and Trump in 2016.

In late 30s and early 40s there was a movement for counties in Southern Oregon and Northern California to secede from their respective states and form the State of Jefferson. It’s perfectly legal and it’s how about 20% of the existing states were formed (Main seceded from Massachusetts –Kentucky and later West Virginia seceded from Virginia etc.) . Jefferson would have been the 49th state with Alaska 50 and Hawaii 51. The final procedural process was scheduled for mid December 1941 but the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. With WW2 the State of Jefferson was put on the back burner. With some of the leadership in that movement killed in combat it never happened.

Today there is a new State of Jefferson movement in most Northern California counties. The reason comes down to: Southern California setting policy for Northern California is about as culturally and economically the same as New York City setting policy for Wyoming.
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The Californians can act quite oddly at times and Trump can easily be invoked as a uniting battle cry. But to be that incredibly stupid to forego their influence for all time on what would then be a hostile neighbour stronger than they? That sounds as irrational as Brexit.
 
Believe me, there's a lot of places that would like to secede from Trump, but that ain't gonna happen either!

Only if he proves as bad as he seems to be shaping up. ;)
 
secession is not the main point
There IS no "main point". A couple dozen idiots out of nearly 30 million Californians contacted the media and made a big deal about succession, just as a few dozen Texan assholes did the same thing when Obama was elected.

There is no "State of Jefferson". There will never be a "State of Jefferson". And even if there was, impossible that it is, dividing California into two states has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with "succeeding" from the United States.

And before you get testy, Yes, I live in Northern California, so I'm quite familiar with this anarchist movement which is a poor man's "white lives matter" statement with less than a handful of people, people who haven't the slightest clue that California is the fifth largest economy in the world, so a few rural, sparsely populated counties declaring themselves "free" would soon find themselves a bunch of poverty-ridden ner'do wells, wondering why they are suddenly bankrupt because the revenue from San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego and Sacramento suddenly dried up.

Yeah, Northern California is sick of sending water to the greedy South state, where deserts are being populated by diverting the bounty of our rivers. But that's not what "Jefferson" is all about. It's about uber-right-wing racists hoisting the Confederate flag, sending those uppity non-whites a message.

I'm as pro-strong border security and anti-sanctuary city as one can get, but that's not what y'all are about. You're about creating a gun-toting, razor-wired Idaho-type militia filled with poorly-educated hicks who want to keep people of color out.

Secession is NOT going to happen. There aren't enough red-throated bigots in this state to make it happen. I may hate Trump, but I hate the "**** everyone but me and people who look like me" movement even more.
 
There IS no "main point". A couple dozen idiots out of nearly 30 million Californians contacted the media and made a big deal about succession, just as a few dozen Texan assholes did the same thing when Obama was elected.

There is no "State of Jefferson". There will never be a "State of Jefferson". And even if there was, impossible that it is, dividing California into two states has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with "succeeding" from the United States.

And before you get testy, Yes, I live in Northern California, so I'm quite familiar with this anarchist movement which is a poor man's "white lives matter" statement with less than a handful of people, people who haven't the slightest clue that California is the fifth largest economy in the world, so a few rural, sparsely populated counties declaring themselves "free" would soon find themselves a bunch of poverty-ridden ner'do wells, wondering why they are suddenly bankrupt because the revenue from San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego and Sacramento suddenly dried up.

Yeah, Northern California is sick of sending water to the greedy South state, where deserts are being populated by diverting the bounty of our rivers. But that's not what "Jefferson" is all about. It's about uber-right-wing racists hoisting the Confederate flag, sending those uppity non-whites a message.

I'm as pro-strong border security and anti-sanctuary city as one can get, but that's not what y'all are about. You're about creating a gun-toting, razor-wired Idaho-type militia filled with poorly-educated hicks who want to keep people of color out.

Secession is NOT going to happen. There aren't enough red-throated bigots in this state to make it happen. I may hate Trump, but I hate the "**** everyone but me and people who look like me" movement even more.

Thank you for that detail and insight about politics there. It is appreciated.

Nobody is seceding.
 
In reaction to the Trump election there is a movement by Leftist for California to secede from the Union.

This is stupid, illegal and with people like Nancy Pelosi running the Government and Economy of this new republic it will end up another Venezuela inside of 5 years.

The part this Group of Leftist has not noticed or fails to mention is that most of Northern California would not want to go with them. Culturally and economically most of Northern California has more in common with Texas that they do with San Francisco or L.A.

Oregon is a similar situation, anywhere outside of the Portland, Eugene or Salem areas it’s a hardcore red state. Oregon has 100% mail in ballot voting. Although never proven it’s strongly suspected that without election fraud Oregon’s electoral votes would have gone to Romney in 2012 and Trump in 2016.

In late 30s and early 40s there was a movement for counties in Southern Oregon and Northern California to secede from their respective states and form the State of Jefferson. It’s perfectly legal and it’s how about 20% of the existing states were formed (Main seceded from Massachusetts –Kentucky and later West Virginia seceded from Virginia etc.) . Jefferson would have been the 49th state with Alaska 50 and Hawaii 51. The final procedural process was scheduled for mid December 1941 but the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. With WW2 the State of Jefferson was put on the back burner. With some of the leadership in that movement killed in combat it never happened.

Today there is a new State of Jefferson movement in most Northern California counties. The reason comes down to: Southern California setting policy for Northern California is about as culturally and economically the same as New York City setting policy for Wyoming.

Maybe if we could get the leftists to secede from the Union, and take there SoCal and San Fransicko sh*tholes with them, The State of Jefferson could split off and form the new 50th state. :) Say Mariposa County north along the Mother Lode region, Sierras, into the Siskiyou, Modoc, over to Del Norte County. The kook leftists can have the Central Valley from Sac County south to Mexico and the entire coastal region south of Del Norte.
 
There IS no "main point". A couple dozen idiots out of nearly 30 million Californians contacted the media and made a big deal about succession, just as a few dozen Texan assholes did the same thing when Obama was elected.

There is no "State of Jefferson". There will never be a "State of Jefferson". And even if there was, impossible that it is, dividing California into two states has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with "succeeding" from the United States.

And before you get testy, Yes, I live in Northern California, so I'm quite familiar with this anarchist movement which is a poor man's "white lives matter" statement with less than a handful of people, people who haven't the slightest clue that California is the fifth largest economy in the world, so a few rural, sparsely populated counties declaring themselves "free" would soon find themselves a bunch of poverty-ridden ner'do wells, wondering why they are suddenly bankrupt because the revenue from San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego and Sacramento suddenly dried up.

Yeah, Northern California is sick of sending water to the greedy South state, where deserts are being populated by diverting the bounty of our rivers. But that's not what "Jefferson" is all about. It's about uber-right-wing racists hoisting the Confederate flag, sending those uppity non-whites a message.

I'm as pro-strong border security and anti-sanctuary city as one can get, but that's not what y'all are about. You're about creating a gun-toting, razor-wired Idaho-type militia filled with poorly-educated hicks who want to keep people of color out.

Secession is NOT going to happen. There aren't enough red-throated bigots in this state to make it happen. I may hate Trump, but I hate the "**** everyone but me and people who look like me" movement even more.

I'm sorry but you can't be from California and use the word y'all.
 
There IS no "main point". A couple dozen idiots out of nearly 30 million Californians contacted the media and made a big deal about succession, just as a few dozen Texan assholes did the same thing when Obama was elected.

There is no "State of Jefferson". There will never be a "State of Jefferson". And even if there was, impossible that it is, dividing California into two states has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with "succeeding" from the United States.

And before you get testy, Yes, I live in Northern California, so I'm quite familiar with this anarchist movement which is a poor man's "white lives matter" statement with less than a handful of people, people who haven't the slightest clue that California is the fifth largest economy in the world, so a few rural, sparsely populated counties declaring themselves "free" would soon find themselves a bunch of poverty-ridden ner'do wells, wondering why they are suddenly bankrupt because the revenue from San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego and Sacramento suddenly dried up.

Yeah, Northern California is sick of sending water to the greedy South state, where deserts are being populated by diverting the bounty of our rivers. But that's not what "Jefferson" is all about. It's about uber-right-wing racists hoisting the Confederate flag, sending those uppity non-whites a message.

I'm as pro-strong border security and anti-sanctuary city as one can get, but that's not what y'all are about. You're about creating a gun-toting, razor-wired Idaho-type militia filled with poorly-educated hicks who want to keep people of color out.

Secession is NOT going to happen. There aren't enough red-throated bigots in this state to make it happen. I may hate Trump, but I hate the "**** everyone but me and people who look like me" movement even more.

:shock:

I am absolutely stunned by the total load of Bull your post contains. It's not just wrong, it's delusional, lock me up in a rubber room, wrong.

The secessionist movement gaining strength in California is not being driven by uber-right-wing racists. I can't even imagine what alternate universe you grabbed that from. Red Throated Bigots?

The people behind succession are ultra alt-left liberal/socialist progressives. That is a documented fact.

#CalExit: The California Secession Movement is real, and could work

Yes California Independence Campaign

I mean geeze, are you looking for a job at CNN, WaPo, or some other fake news outlet in the MSM arena?
 
secession is not the main point

What's the main point then? You think right-wingers have never called for this before? Think it was the left talking about how the South will rise again? What's the point? That stupid people on both sides say stupid things? Is that the point? Because it's already known. So thanks for adding to the collective knowledge base on that one.

:roll:
 
There IS no "main point". A couple dozen idiots out of nearly 30 million Californians contacted the media and made a big deal about succession, just as a few dozen Texan assholes did the same thing when Obama was elected.

There is no "State of Jefferson". There will never be a "State of Jefferson". And even if there was, impossible that it is, dividing California into two states has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with "succeeding" from the United States.

And before you get testy, Yes, I live in Northern California, so I'm quite familiar with this anarchist movement which is a poor man's "white lives matter" statement with less than a handful of people, people who haven't the slightest clue that California is the fifth largest economy in the world, so a few rural, sparsely populated counties declaring themselves "free" would soon find themselves a bunch of poverty-ridden ner'do wells, wondering why they are suddenly bankrupt because the revenue from San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego and Sacramento suddenly dried up.

Yeah, Northern California is sick of sending water to the greedy South state, where deserts are being populated by diverting the bounty of our rivers. But that's not what "Jefferson" is all about. It's about uber-right-wing racists hoisting the Confederate flag, sending those uppity non-whites a message.

I'm as pro-strong border security and anti-sanctuary city as one can get, but that's not what y'all are about. You're about creating a gun-toting, razor-wired Idaho-type militia filled with poorly-educated hicks who want to keep people of color out.

Secession is NOT going to happen. There aren't enough red-throated bigots in this state to make it happen. I may hate Trump, but I hate the "**** everyone but me and people who look like me" movement even more.

(Cal 5th largest economy) On the day it fell the USSR was the 2nd largest economy, bigger is not better. Cali is currently in decline for many of the same reasons the USSR collapsed.

Yes, you hit all the tired BS Liberal propaganda talking points.....(Racist, Sesits, Homophobic)
 
Did you drive from Texas to California in a Y'all Haul?

I don't recall. I was six weeks old at the time, and we stopped in Oklahoma for a couple of years... so to answer your question, yes, probably!
 
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