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Ford cancels Mexico plant. Will create 700 U.S. jobs in 'vote of confidence' in Trump

Re: Ford cancels Mexico plant. Will create 700 U.S. jobs in 'vote of confidence' in T

Yes, but the Carrier decision and the Ford decision were the result of Trump winning


lol. Carrier?

And why exactly was that? Because Trump leaned on his VP to push special crony tax breaks for them in exchange for temporarily keeping a measly 1,000 jobs here.....



That is your example of success?



I guess some people are libertarian only when it's D's in charge. When the Rs want big government crony capitalism, that's cool.
 
Re: Ford cancels Mexico plant. Will create 700 U.S. jobs in 'vote of confidence' in T

lol. Carrier?

And why exactly was that? Because Trump leaned on his VP to push special crony tax breaks for them in exchange for temporarily keeping a measly 1,000 jobs here.....
No liberal can pass up the opportunity to crap on middle class jobs like the ones at Carrier. And you guys wonder why you lost the election and why you hold so little political power. Keep it up. But yes, had Trump lost, Carrier would not have changed its position. Not sure how or why you would deny that.



That is your example of success?



I guess some people are libertarian only when it's D's in charge. When the Rs want big government crony capitalism, that's cool.
As a typical liberal, you couldn't spot a libertarian if I pointed him out to you. But please, explain the libertarian principles at play here and how they aren't being followed.
 
Re: Ford cancels Mexico plant. Will create 700 U.S. jobs in 'vote of confidence' in T

No liberal can pass up the opportunity to crap on middle class jobs like the ones at Carrier.=

I'm middle class.

/sigh
 
Re: Ford cancels Mexico plant. Will create 700 U.S. jobs in 'vote of confidence' in T

As a typical liberal, you couldn't spot a libertarian if I pointed him out to you. But please, explain the libertarian principles at play here and how they aren't being followed.



Well, I did say this: "I guess some people are libertarian only when it's D's in charge. When the Rs want big government crony capitalism, that's cool. " I'm not calling you a Republican but you ARE generally supporting an action that fits the bill of "crony capitalism" and use of big government political power for personal gain. And THAT does seem to run against the grain of libertarian thought. No?




Are you saying that libertarians actually think that it is acceptable for big government to give special deals to specific corporations so that the politicians behind the deal can brag and increase their power, which power is necessarily the power of government?

That really would be news to me. But then, as you have suggested, maybe libertarian thought is just above my lowly station. Silly me, I thought it was all about shrinking government and, whether or not you can do that, opposing government interference in the free market to work a particular result, especially when that result is sought simply to favor one particular party or politician. Live and Let Die?

But then, definitions do seem to change with the subject and target.






For some.
 
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Re: Ford cancels Mexico plant. Will create 700 U.S. jobs in 'vote of confidence' in T

Well, I did say this: "I guess some people are libertarian only when it's D's in charge. When the Rs want big government crony capitalism, that's cool. " I'm not calling you a Republican but you ARE generally supporting an action that fits the bill of "crony capitalism" and use of big government political power for personal gain. And THAT does seem to run against the grain of libertarian thought. No?




Are you saying that libertarians actually think that it is acceptable for big government to give special deals to specific corporations so that the politicians behind the deal can brag and increase their power, which power is necessarily the power of government?

That really would be news to me. But then, as you have suggested, maybe libertarian thought is just above my lowly station. Silly me, I thought it was all about shrinking government and, whether or not you can do that, opposing government interference in the free market to work a particular result, especially when that result is sought simply to favor one particular party or politician. Live and Let Die?

But then, definitions do seem to change with the subject and target.






For some.
As a libertarian I don't support government involvement in virtually anything. The state should be there to protect my rights, lay down the rules of the game then leave a free people to interact with one another as they see fit. So we are a long way from that. In my perspective, there is nothing un-libertarian about a president essentially shaming a corporation into a certain behavior--so long as that shaming doesn't cross the line into physical force. For example, in the absence of civil rights laws, it would be appropriate for a political leader to call out a business who discriminates and allow the public and the shareholders to alter the policy, or not. No company wants bad press, so Trump calling out Ford or Carrier for shipping jobs out of the country is totally legit. He is not forcing them to do anything, he is simply highlighting what he sees as bad behavior. The public and the shareholders can react as they see fit or ignore what he says completely. I prefer that sort of thing to politicians imposing edicts and laws on corporations and individuals any day.
 
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