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Cephus · Jan 3, 2017

Oh look, more stupid liberals. That's not surprising. :roll:

Absentglare · Jan 3, 2017

Gonzo Rodeo said:
The only justification for "white guilt" is white slavery of blacks. Pointing out that no one alive today engaged in it is valid. Now, I'm not saying that things are awesome for black people now, far from it, but the idea that white people who never engaged in slavery or Jim Crow era segregation owe money to people who were never enslaved or institutionally segregated against is ludicrous.

I'm not going to complain about affirmative action hiring practices or ethnically exclusive college scholarships that allow anyone BUT white kids to apply, but I draw the line at people who insist the only fair thing is to take resources from my kids and funnel them to underprivileged kids based on the color of our respective skins.

I grew up poor. It's a tough slog on the way up. And I can only maybe hope for middle-middle class if I do everything right and work my ass to the bone, and that's if I'm also a little lucky. I don't owe anyone ****, and I am not personally culpable or liable for the state of affairs in black communities today, or any community for that matter.

In my mind, making it a racial issue today is a misguided approach. There are many blacks who are better off than the average white person. It's not strictly across racial lines anymore.

And we have no responsibility for the institution of slavery, so 'guilt' doesn't really apply. We didn't intentionally ruin black people's lives.

However, and i'm sure you sensed a "but" coming, i think we could do a little more to level the playing field for the poor, helping them to succeed in this country. We never leveled the playing field after slavery, whites had more generational resources, chief among them money and education, we never really gave blacks much of a leg up, we just took some of the more literal chains off.

So i'd appreciate if both sides could relax a bit and look at how to best move forward, rather than agonizing over historical decisions that none of us were privy to. It's unrealistic to expect black Americans to be satisfied, and it's unrealistic to issue demands to white Americans.

Gonzo Rodeo · Jan 3, 2017

Absentglare said:
In my mind, making it a racial issue today is a misguided approach. There are many blacks who are better off than the average white person. It's not strictly across racial lines anymore.

And we have no responsibility for the institution of slavery, so 'guilt' doesn't really apply. We didn't intentionally ruin black people's lives.

However, and i'm sure you sensed a "but" coming, i think we could do a little more to level the playing field for the poor, helping them to succeed in this country. We never leveled the playing field after slavery, whites had more generational resources, chief among them money and education, we never really gave blacks much of a leg up, we just took some of the more literal chains off.

So i'd appreciate if both sides could relax a bit and look at how to best move forward, rather than agonizing over historical decisions that none of us were privy to. It's unrealistic to expect black Americans to be satisfied, and it's unrealistic to issue demands to white Americans.

That's a fair start to an argument, and I'm sure you and I agree much more than we disagree about the subject.

But when someone fires back about white privilege by claiming tens of thousands of slaves still exist in this country, I would hope you would readily see the obscenely bad argumentation going on. Bad reasoning, bad tactics, and just bad faith overall.

Mr Person · Jan 3, 2017

Cephus said:
Oh look, more stupid liberals. That's not surprising. :roll:

Are stupid conservatives surprising?

Just wondering how far that "slightly" goes....

White guilt boxes for only $100/month.

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