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A Good Point About The Hacked Emails

Excon said:
No. You said it was an anonymous email. It wasn't.
They new who sent it and fired him. Did you really not get that?


Wrong as usual.


Maybe you missed it but there are credible reasons to discredit them.
You really shouldn't be involved in a subject where you only know the talking points and not the specifics.


No.
Besides you being involved in conjecture, your reply does not have a damn thing to do with what you quoted.


Wrong. What I listed is credible evidence to cast doubt and raise the issue.



Wrong, and just shows you have no idea of what you speak.
Had he been born outside of the country the statute in effect at the time would not have allowed him to be a citizen.

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iLOL
Anything to deflect from reality.
What is funny is that an actual better claim of duel nationality was brought up and made after this, but again, no one had standing to challenge it is court.
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Nonsense.
Birtherism was a wacky conspiracy theory with nothing to back it up. The whole thing was based on an anonymous letter that went around social media.
The post I replied to was that "Hillary Von Pantsuit" was the "original birther." I suppose now you're going to say that "Hillary Von Pantsuit" is someone besides the pantsuit wearing candidate for president who ran against Donald Trump.

Hillary Clinton did not start the Birther movement, plain and simple. Of course, Trump didn't start it either, he and a lot of other nutters simply jumped on it and made an issue of what never was an issue.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Nonsense.
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Nonsense?
No. They knew who sent it and fired him. Did you really not get that?
That is not nonsense.


Dittohead not! said:
Nonsense.
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Nonsense?
No. 8 US Code § 1401(g) is not nonsense. It is the law.


Dittohead not! said:
Birtherism was a wacky conspiracy theory with nothing to back it up.
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Like I said, you shouldn't be discussing something you know nothing about.


Dittohead not! said:
The whole thing was based on an anonymous letter that went around social media.
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1. You were already corrected on this. They knew who sent it and fired him.
2. What it morphed into was evidence based.


Dittohead not! said:
The post I replied to was that "Hillary Von Pantsuit" was the "original birther."
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No.
What I quoted you saying was a reply to the other person pointing out it started in her camp.
You deflected from that point by trying to change the argument from "in her camp" to specifically "Clinton".

Here is that exchange.

Excon said:
Dittohead not! said:
ObamacareFail said:
Any objective reading of the article shows the birther movement started in the Hillary camp.
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A reading of the article you posted, all of the article, doesn't support the contention that Clinton started the birther movement. Politifact doesn't believe that Clinton started the birther movement. In fact no rational person believes that.

Since you think I've "cherry picked" a part of your article, perhaps you'd like to post the part that you believe proves your point.
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What you quoted and replied to are two different things.
1. He said camp and that covers a wide swath.
2. What Penn was doing (as well as the picture of Obama in Muslim garb they pushed) was clearly suggesting he wasn't without actually saying he wasn't.
3. Regardless ...
Members of her camp were circulating an email suggesting just that. Supposedly the person who initiated the email was canned.

This is her former campaign manger, Patti Solis Doyle, speaking of it to CNN's Wolf Blitzer.

[video=youtube;Nf8ZWHqMnJk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf8ZWHqMnJk[video]​
This is where the issue actually started and gained it's traction.
(Though the suggestion for purpose of the election was brought up elsewhere prior to this incident, it never gained traction or was played off-of, leaving this as the start of it.)

It gained traction from that point on and was pushed by a Hillary supporter, the former Deputy Attorney General for Pennsylvania, Philip J. Berg, who also had been a former County Democratic Party Chairman, former Member of the Democratic State Committee, and a life long member of the NAACP.
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Excon said:
Hillary Clinton did not start the Birther movement, plain and simple.
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And again. You are arguing something that was not said.
It started in her camp.
 
Excon said:
Nonsense?
No. They knew who sent it and fired him. Did you really not get that?
That is not nonsense.


Nonsense?
No. 8 US Code § 1401(g) is not nonsense. It is the law.


Like I said, you shouldn't be discussing something you know nothing about.


1. You were already corrected on this. They knew who sent it and fired him.
2. What it morphed into was evidence based.


No.
What I quoted you saying was a reply to the other person pointing out it started in her camp.
You deflected from that point by trying to change the argument from "in her camp" to specifically "Clinton".

Here is that exchange.

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And again. You are arguing something that was not said.
It started in her camp.
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Trump only became a birther to pander to idiot GOP voters when he was thinking about running for the presidency in 2011. Turns out, his plan worked, albeit it took five years for it to work. Regardless, he fooled a bunch of idiot conservatives into voting for him despite spending the majority of his 70 years of life supporting liberal positions.

So at the end of the day...you and the conservative treehouse voted for a big government liberal as president. Congratulations.
 
LowDown said:
Or, as one fellow put it, the email hacks helped the Democrats to finally follow through on their promises of transparency.

https://pjmedia.com/blog/making-sense-of-the-russian-hacking-saga//?singlepage=true

Also: What does it mean that emails were "hacked"? It means that the contents of emails were made public somehow, and computers are scary.

Podesta's emails were hacked by phishing. You don't need state sponsored hackers for this; my 7 year old nephew could do it.
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Now if they will hack trumps emails we might get some Real entertainment.:mrgreen:
 
Puigb said:
Trump only became a birther to pander to idiot GOP voters when he was thinking about running for the presidency in 2011. Turns out, his plan worked, albeit it took five years for it to work. Regardless, he fooled a bunch of idiot conservatives into voting for him despite spending the majority of his 70 years of life supporting liberal positions.

So at the end of the day...you and the conservative treehouse voted for a big government liberal as president. Congratulations.
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:lamo
Opinion noted and dismissed as being irrational.
 
LowDown said:
Or, as one fellow put it, the email hacks helped the Democrats to finally follow through on their promises of transparency.

https://pjmedia.com/blog/making-sense-of-the-russian-hacking-saga//?singlepage=true

Also: What does it mean that emails were "hacked"? It means that the contents of emails were made public somehow, and computers are scary.

Podesta's emails were hacked by phishing. You don't need state sponsored hackers for this; my 7 year old nephew could do it.
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I think the reason libs are crying foul and making up claims of Russian hacking has more to do with the fact it embarrassed the DNC. Usually these leaks tend to hurt things republicans care about.Like secret CIA prisons or when the cross dressing Bradley Manning released some stuff to Wikileaks or when Snowden revealed or confirmed to the American public the government is spying on them.

If Clinton won the election then the emails wouldn't be an issue to them.They wouldn't care if it was one of their own,the Russians or some nerd in his or her mother's basement who hacked the emails. If Clinton won the election then the only people it would be an issue to are conservative talk show hosts wondering how voters could be so stupid to vote for Clinton while blaming conservatives for refusing to vote for a uber RINO.
 
LowDown said:
Or, as one fellow put it, the email hacks helped the Democrats to finally follow through on their promises of transparency.

https://pjmedia.com/blog/making-sense-of-the-russian-hacking-saga//?singlepage=true

Also: What does it mean that emails were "hacked"? It means that the contents of emails were made public somehow, and computers are scary.

Podesta's emails were hacked by phishing. You don't need state sponsored hackers for this; my 7 year old nephew could do it.
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Guess they didn't want transparency after all.
 
Excon said:
Nonsense?
No. They knew who sent it and fired him. Did you really not get that?
That is not nonsense.


Nonsense?
No. 8 US Code § 1401(g) is not nonsense. It is the law.


Like I said, you shouldn't be discussing something you know nothing about.


1. You were already corrected on this. They knew who sent it and fired him.
2. What it morphed into was evidence based.


No.
What I quoted you saying was a reply to the other person pointing out it started in her camp.
You deflected from that point by trying to change the argument from "in her camp" to specifically "Clinton".

Here is that exchange.

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And again. You are arguing something that was not said.
It started in her camp.
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no it didnt. I know you right wingers dont care for truth but your post is not honest.

No, Clinton didn't start the birther thing. This guy did. - POLITICO
 
LowDown said:
I'm sure they are trying to do that.
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Trying? I think we can assume he has been monitored for a while now, maybe that is what he means when he says he "knows" things about hacking.
 
Excon said:
Nonsense?
No. They knew who sent it and fired him. Did you really not get that?
That is not nonsense.


Nonsense?
No. 8 US Code § 1401(g) is not nonsense. It is the law.


Like I said, you shouldn't be discussing something you know nothing about.


1. You were already corrected on this. They knew who sent it and fired him.
2. What it morphed into was evidence based.


No.
What I quoted you saying was a reply to the other person pointing out it started in her camp.
You deflected from that point by trying to change the argument from "in her camp" to specifically "Clinton".

Here is that exchange.

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And again. You are arguing something that was not said.
It started in her camp.
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Sorry, but the claim was that it started with Hillary, not Hillary's "camp."

and it's still a wacky conspiracy theory with nothing to back it up.

If they discovered the author of the letter and fired him, as you keep repeating, it was still an anonymous letter when it was being passed around.

Clinton was not a birther.
Trump was a birther.
 
jamesrage said:
I think the reason libs are crying foul and making up claims of Russian hacking has more to do with the fact it embarrassed the DNC. Usually these leaks tend to hurt things republicans care about.Like secret CIA prisons or when the cross dressing Bradley Manning released some stuff to Wikileaks or when Snowden revealed or confirmed to the American public the government is spying on them.

If Clinton won the election then the emails wouldn't be an issue to them.They wouldn't care if it was one of their own,the Russians or some nerd in his or her mother's basement who hacked the emails. If Clinton won the election then the only people it would be an issue to are conservative talk show hosts wondering how voters could be so stupid to vote for Clinton while blaming conservatives for refusing to vote for a uber RINO.
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If Clinton had won, then the Democrats wouldn't be complaining about a foreign nation meddling in the election, no, that would be the Republicans.

The election was rigged. Trump himself said so over and over.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Sorry, but the claim was that it started with Hillary, not Hillary's "camp."
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I provided the actual exchange and my reply to it.

As pointed out, the claim was it came from her camp.

It was you deflecting from that by trying to argue a totally different thing.


Dittohead not! said:
and it's still a wacky conspiracy theory with nothing to back it up.
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iLOL
Said the one who has no clue as to what he speaks.


Dittohead not! said:
If they discovered the author of the letter and fired him, as you keep repeating, it was still an anonymous letter when it was being passed around.
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iLOL
No. The letter was not anonymous. The author was known and was fired for spreading it.
What is it about that which you do not understand?
 
Excon said:
I provided the actual exchange and my reply to it.

As pointed out, the claim was it came from her camp.

It was you deflecting from that by trying to argue a totally different thing.


iLOL
Said the one who has no clue as to what he speaks.


iLOL
No. The letter was not anonymous. The author was known and was fired for spreading it.
What is it about that which you do not understand?
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Sorry, but I already linked to the original claim that Hillary started the Birther movement. I believe it was post 100.

So, who was this person who wrote the letter and was fired for having done it?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Sorry, but I already linked to the original claim that Hillary started the Birther movement. I believe it was post 100.
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No, you didn't.

The issue between us is where it started, which was in her camp. You are deflecting from that.



Dittohead not! said:
So, who was this person who wrote the letter and was fired for having done it?
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Ask the campaign manger who she spoke about. She knows as the person was fired for doing it.
And stop playing this absurd game. Just because you do not know the persons name doesn't make them anonymous. They knew the person's name and terminated them.
Do you really not understand that they would not have been able to terminate the person if they were actually anonymous?
 
Excon said:
No, you didn't.

The issue between us is where it started, which was in her camp. You are deflecting from that.




Ask the campaign manger who she spoke about. She knows as the person was fired for doing it.
And stop playing this absurd game. Just because you do not know the persons name doesn't make them anonymous. They knew the person's name and terminated them.
Do you really not understand that they would not have been able to terminate the person if they were actually anonymous?
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Did so.

You simply ignore what I've posted and then claim I didn't post it. I'm not replying until you acknowledge that this post claims that Hillary started the birther movement.

Do, that, and then we can discuss whether there is anything to back up the absurd and unfounded birther wacky conspiracy theory.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Did so.

You simply ignore what I've posted and then claim I didn't post it. I'm not replying until you acknowledge that this post claims that Hillary started the birther movement.

Do, that, and then we can discuss whether there is anything to back up the absurd and unfounded birther wacky conspiracy theory.
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Did so? iLOL No. You still are not getting it.

And again.
The exchange between us is about it starting in her camp.
That is a different argument than the one you are trying to deflect with. Do you really not understand that?


Excon said:
No.
What I quoted you saying was a reply to the other person pointing out it started in her camp. (I do not care what was argued before this point. This is what I responded to.)
You deflected from that point by trying to change the argument from "in her camp" to specifically "Clinton".

Here is that exchange.

Excon said:
Dittohead not! said:
ObamacareFail said:
Cherry picking the article is not helping you. Any objective reading of the article shows the birther movement started in the Hillary camp.
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A reading of the article you posted, all of the article, doesn't support the contention that Clinton started the birther movement. Politifact doesn't believe that Clinton started the birther movement. In fact no rational person believes that.

Since you think I've "cherry picked" a part of your article, perhaps you'd like to post the part that you believe proves your point.
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What you quoted and replied to are two different things.
1. He said camp and that covers a wide swath.
2. What Penn was doing (as well as the picture of Obama in Muslim garb they pushed) was clearly suggesting he wasn't without actually saying he wasn't.
3. Regardless ...
Members of her camp were circulating an email suggesting just that. Supposedly the person who initiated the email was canned.

This is her former campaign manger, Patti Solis Doyle, speaking of it to CNN's Wolf Blitzer.

​

This is where the issue actually started and gained it's traction.
(Though the suggestion for purpose of the election was brought up elsewhere prior to this incident, it never gained traction or was played off-of, leaving this as the start of it.)

It gained traction from that point on and was pushed by a Hillary supporter, the former Deputy Attorney General for Pennsylvania, Philip J. Berg, who also had been a former County Democratic Party Chairman, former Member of the Democratic State Committee, and a life long member of the NAACP.
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Dittohead not! said:
If Clinton had won, then the Democrats wouldn't be complaining about a foreign nation meddling in the election, no, that would be the Republicans.

The election was rigged. Trump himself said so over and over.
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The only election meddling the republicans would be complaining about if Clinton won is the meddling done by the mainstream media.
 
jamesrage said:
The only election meddling the republicans would be complaining about if Clinton won is the meddling done by the mainstream media.
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You mean to say they'd still be OK with a foreign nation meddling in our election, even if they had lost?
 
I am not okay with Russia or any other foreign power hacking American companies or political organziations. If they are caught, there should be blow back. When they are clearly trying to influence an election with a multifaceted schmear campaign in addition to leaking hacked documents, there should be severe, severe blow back.

I am also not absolving Hillary Clinton of any guilt just because those emails were supposed to be private. She was a weak candidate who couldn't get away from her own scandals long enough to stay on message even compared to rambling, nonsense spewing Donald Trump. When you can't come across as having a clear idea compared to a guy who barely completes 2 on topic sentences before he is off ranting on a tangent, that's a real problem. I am happy her actions and callousness towards the political climate were repudiated, even if I'm really unhappy with the other guy.

I can do both. Its not hard. Not everything has to be a partisian fight.
 
Dittohead not! said:
You mean to say they'd still be OK with a foreign nation meddling in our election, even if they had lost?
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If the alleged election hacking cost them their victory then sure they would be pissed while democrats dismissed those claims as bogus.
 
jamesrage said:
If the alleged election hacking cost them their victory then sure they would be pissed while democrats dismissed those claims as bogus.
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If the shoe were on the other foot, then the Democrats would do the same thing that some of the Republicans are doing. Yes, that sounds about right.
 
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