Is California splitting away? Group believes California should form its own nation

Ikari said:

I dish it out to both sides. You're all alike, peas in a pod.

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j-mac said:

Hmmmm....Yeah I don't see it....You may think you do, but that's just in your head.

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j-mac said:

Me thinks liberals see Russian boogeymen behind every turn, and in every shadow....:roll:

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GCHQ first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious “interactions” between figures connected to Trump and known or suspected Russian agents, a source close to UK intelligence said. This intelligence was passed to the US as part of a routine exchange of information, they added.

Over the next six months, until summer 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between Trump’s inner circle and Russians, sources said.

The European countries that passed on electronic intelligence – known as sigint – included Germany, Estonia and Poland. Australia, a member of the “Five Eyes” spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source said.

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While Donald Trump was running for president in late 2015 and early 2016, his company was pursuing a plan to develop a massive Trump Tower in Moscow, according to several people familiar with the proposal and new records reviewed by Trump Organization lawyers.

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j-mac said:

In 2009 when Obama took office I seem to recall TX muttering the same thing to a flood of derision from the left...Now Trump wins and liberals in California want to do exactly the same thing....So, libs, what's different from what TX wanted to do, and this? And if they are successful, could, or would all libs just move there?

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Ikari said:

Yes, yes. I'm sure you don't see it. Because you need to make this out to be some massive conspiracy against Trump and the right and that everyone is just ganging up on your side.

lol

But I do go after both sides because there's not much difference between you Republocrats.

lol

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Oreo said:

Robert Mueller is seeing a lot of Russians too!

What the Trump team never realised is that they were being watched since 2015, and not by U.S. Intelligence Sources.


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia

Kushner contradicts Trump team's denials of Russia contacts - CNNPolitics



Wash. Post: Mueller investigating Trump for obstruction - CNNPolitics



And it doesn't help to know that Trump was planning a huge Trump tower project in Moscow while he was running for POTUS.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...b4e4bb76a3a_story.html?utm_term=.ae43fc7a69c4

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So what message does it send to American girls of worth, that an unqualified man and public sexist beats a qualified woman?

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ocean515 said:

The interesting thing is, for the sake of discussion, should California successfully succeed, it would collapse economically within the first year. The rich in Silicon Valley and Hollywood can't sustain the welfare state progressives have created. No military to protect the state from more aggressive invasion from South of the Border.

I'd just ask that they wait a few more years before I move. After that, good bye and good riddance.

As to the question, it seems to me, politics and action based on emotional response never carries much rational consideration. As such, I imagine the Texas/California comparison doesn't count because I assume one is based on bias, and the other is based on elitism.

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fmw said:

If they decide to leave, I won't miss them.

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j-mac said:

What ever you tell yourself is your issue, not mine....I'm not into conspiracies, but that is just the easiest pejorative you can lob...Sure is easier that having a well thought out debate eh?

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Ikari said:

Says the guy who uses the "it's everyone else's fault my my own" excuse for Trump all the time. Some grand MSM conspiracy to only report negative things about Trump. Can't be that Trump keeps flubbing up and embarrassing us all the time. Oh no, it's some media conspiracy to make him look bad.

lol

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j-mac said:

Well we hear all the time how the Southern States were 'traitors' for their secession attempt that led to the civil war, but California, a liberal state, then I guess it's all cool...

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j-mac said:

Well we hear all the time how the Southern States were 'traitors' for their secession attempt that led to the civil war, but California, a liberal state, then I guess it's all cool...

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fmw said:

If they decide to leave, I won't miss them.

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Southern Dad said:

That's if those companies chose to stay in the newly formed country of California.

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j-mac said:

I'll wait for his final report...I don't think at this point you or I know the outcome....

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fmw said:

I didn't say it was cool or even likely. I just said I wouldn't miss them if they left.

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ultmd said:

They weren't "traitors". They were TRAITORS. That's not debatable. And since we're talking about Civil War Revisionist history, let's also be clear that Slavery was THE issue of the Civil War. Not "state's rights". Not commerce issues. Not "heritage". Every southern state's articles of secession stated clearly that slavery was THE reason for secession.

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LOL...........funny, but my guess is that you had ZERO concerns about "waiting for the final report" during the Clinton email investigation. Hypocrisy is like that.

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ultmd said:

Maybe not. But every "red" state in the country will certainly "miss" California's money, because blue states like Ca and NY pay most of the freight for welfare (i.e. red) states. That's right, Texas, Florida, the entire deep south, the entire mountain west, and much of the midwest would all go bankrupt without the charity of states in "liberal" America.

I'll be darned. So indebted California is going to be the salvation of my balance budgeted red state. I wouldn't have imagined that. Are you going to pay the bill when we go bankrupt?

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j-mac said:

Me thinks liberals see Russian boogeymen behind every turn, and in every shadow....:roll:

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GCHQ first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious “interactions” between figures connected to Trump and known or suspected Russian agents, a source close to UK intelligence said. This intelligence was passed to the US as part of a routine exchange of information, they added.

Over the next six months, until summer 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between Trump’s inner circle and Russians, sources said.

The European countries that passed on electronic intelligence – known as sigint – included Germany, Estonia and Poland. Australia, a member of the “Five Eyes” spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source said.

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While Donald Trump was running for president in late 2015 and early 2016, his company was pursuing a plan to develop a massive Trump Tower in Moscow, according to several people familiar with the proposal and new records reviewed by Trump Organization lawyers.

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j-mac said:

In 2009 when Obama took office I seem to recall TX muttering the same thing to a flood of derision from the left...Now Trump wins and liberals in California want to do exactly the same thing....So, libs, what's different from what TX wanted to do, and this? And if they are successful, could, or would all libs just move there?

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