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Who will stand up to The Vain and Aspiring Man?

JackA said:
Charles Blow in the NYTimes this morning phrased the challenge to serious citizens very well:

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There is nothing intrinsically patriotic about "standing up" to Donald Trump. Support the policies and programs that you like and oppose the ones you do not as they come down the pipeline. Democracy shouldn't be about personalities. It is about good policy.
 
What does it say when a guy wins the top job by playing by the rules.... convincing people... and then he gets treated as a parasite by some of our most important people?

I'd say it means that America is in more trouble than I knew.

The elite class is a tear down project.

I am embarrassed.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
What does it say when a guy wins the top playing by the rules, convincing people, and then he gets treated as a parasite by some of our most important people?

I'd say it means that America is in more trouble than I knew.

The elite class is a tear down project.
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I will counter it actually says good things, it bodes well. I am heartened.

Amazingly Trump won playing within the rules by his own rules, won playing with a second, hidden system established by the establishment of both parties [ in reality the same entity] that were NOT playing by the rules, won despite the other major party NOT playing by the rules, won despite the supposed refs calling the game in the field and the announcers in the box NOT playing by the rules or calling it near straight up and up...

He beat them all in a landslide the way the game is actually supposed to be played. A sufficient number of the voting American public understood the layer of **** being laid down no matter how thickly painted over in rainbow colors. Looked a lot better from a distance but when they bent down to look closer, they could smell it was ****. And they voted accordingly.

I say hats off to the American people, I have a bit of renewed hope now.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
I will counter it actually says good things, it bodes well. I am heartened.

Amazingly Trump won playing within the rules by his own rules, won playing with a second, hidden system established by the establishment of both parties [ in reality the same entity] that were NOT playing by the rules, won despite the other major party NOT playing by the rules, won despite the supposed refs calling the game in the field and the announcers in the box NOT playing by the rules or calling it near straight up and up...

He beat them all in a landslide the way the game is actually supposed to be played. A sufficient number of the voting American public understood the layer of **** being laid down no matter how thickly painted over in rainbow colors. Looked a lot better from a distance but when they bent down to look closer, they could smell it was ****. And they voted accordingly.

I say hats off to the American people, I have a bit of renewed hope now.
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I think what we have here is a failure to communicate.

I was speaking of the elite going about the business of weakening this nation by undermining confidence in our most important systems, by not affording Trump the respect he has by all rights earned.....following the rules, playing fair, and winning the votes.

It is a disgrace how Trump and his supporters are treated.

We should be alarmed on several fronts.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
I will counter it actually says good things, it bodes well. I am heartened.

Amazingly Trump won playing within the rules by his own rules, won playing with a second, hidden system established by the establishment of both parties [ in reality the same entity] that were NOT playing by the rules, won despite the other major party NOT playing by the rules, won despite the supposed refs calling the game in the field and the announcers in the box NOT playing by the rules or calling it near straight up and up...

He beat them all in a landslide the way the game is actually supposed to be played. A sufficient number of the voting American public understood the layer of **** being laid down no matter how thickly painted over in rainbow colors. Looked a lot better from a distance but when they bent down to look closer, they could smell it was ****. And they voted accordingly.

I say hats off to the American people, I have a bit of renewed hope now.
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Guessing many are just not ready for real change. [something often attributed to Conservatives]
 
Again, for the upteenth time, my sincere congratulations to Team Trump and their supporters for a stunning victory! The Republican Party has a much clearer path in pursuit of their agenda. I admire Trump's confidence. I remain extremely skeptical of his commitment and competence to govern in the public sector. We shall soon find out.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
I will counter it actually says good things, it bodes well. I am heartened.

Amazingly Trump won playing within the rules by his own rules, won playing with a second, hidden system established by the establishment of both parties [ in reality the same entity] that were NOT playing by the rules, won despite the other major party NOT playing by the rules, won despite the supposed refs calling the game in the field and the announcers in the box NOT playing by the rules or calling it near straight up and up...

He beat them all in a landslide the way the game is actually supposed to be played. A sufficient number of the voting American public understood the layer of **** being laid down no matter how thickly painted over in rainbow colors. Looked a lot better from a distance but when they bent down to look closer, they could smell it was ****. And they voted accordingly.

I say hats off to the American people, I have a bit of renewed hope now.
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Who will stand up to the vain and aspiring man?

Well all these did:

--the Republican party was against him
--the Democratic party was against him
--the Libertarian party was against him
--the Green party was against him
--a large number of independents were against him
--the majority of black people were against him
--the majority of Hispanic people were against him
--probably a majority of Jews were against him
--most of those in government were against him
--the LGBT community was against him
--a large number of world leaders were against him
--the mainstream media was against him

But in spite of all the smoke and mirrors, rhetoric and nasty posts on social media and message boards and calls in to radio shows and interviews on television, press releases, and the most vicious and dishonestly biased attacks I have ever witnessed from the mainstream media; he was elected President. Enough people cared enough to see through all that bull**** and recognized the dishonesty and lack of fair play and saw in him a better candidate than what anybody else was offering.

And now you just gave the missing element that was bugging me in my analysis of the election. With very few exceptions, he played pretty much straight up by the rules the establishment had set down and they didn't. And enough people in 85% of the landmass including 90% of all counties in the USA knew it. And he was elected.

That indeed is a very very good sign and reason to hope. Thank you for providing the missing piece to my election mosaic. :)
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I think what we have here is a failure to communicate.

I was speaking of the elite going about the business of weakening this nation by undermining confidence in our most important systems, by not affording Trump the respect he has by all rights earned.....following the rules, playing fair, and winning the votes.

It is a disgrace how Trump and his supporters are treated.

We should be alarmed on several fronts.
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Well, you are quite right, I am not going to disagree with you on those.

But the very fact that he beat the elites, those out in the open and behind the scenes---all of them, is one helluva feat.

He is not only aware of them, not afraid to call them out by name, just to take them on is itself exhilarating [ hope he has good and very loyal Secret Service protection, just saying...]...but he knows the establishment well enough to beat them at their own game, is choosing a compliment of folks around him that truly know their own games and that will help him, hopefully, do just that. Trump and gang is keeping the establishment, and our enemies outside, so off balance that its inspiring as well as incredible.

I just hope that unlike the kid O bomb a, who was a great campaigner, that he doesn't turn out to be anything like the O bomb empty suit that folded up in so many origami like ways once he got into office.

But we are in total agreement, in sync, simpatico, amigo. ;):2usflag::thumbs:
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
Well, you are quite right, I am not going to disagree with you on those.

But the very fact that he beat the elites, those out in the open and behind the scenes---all of them, is one helluva feat.

He is not only aware of them, not afraid to call them out by name, just to take them on is itself exhilarating [ hope he has good and very loyal Secret Service protection, just saying...]...but he knows the establishment well enough to beat them at their own game, is choosing a compliment of folks around him that truly know their own games and that will help him, hopefully, do just that. Trump and gang is keeping the establishment, and our enemies outside, so off balance that its inspiring as well as incredible.

I just hope that unlike the kid O bomb a, who was a great campaigner, that he doesn't turn out to be anything like the O bomb empty suit that folded up in so many origami like ways once he got into office.

But we are in total agreement, in sync, simpatico, amigo. ;):2usflag::thumbs:
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For sure he dismissed the collective wisdom of how he should be conducting his campaign and he can truthfully say he did it his way. I am pretty sure had he followed the conventional wisdom we would be speculating on a President Clinton now instead of a President Trump.

And in my gut I am pretty sure he will conduct his Presidency pretty much as his instincts guide him too. And we all hope and remain cautiously optimistic that he will have the same degrees of success there.

But for sure, if he managed to establish world peace, cured cancer, ended world hunger, and solved the mystery of who shot Kennedy and what crashed in the desert near Roswell, the never-Trumpers would still be trashing him.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Who will stand up to the vain and aspiring man?

Well all these did:

--the Republican party was against him
--the Democratic party was against him
--the Libertarian party was against him
--the Green party was against him
--a large number of independents were against him
--the majority of black people were against him
--the majority of Hispanic people were against him
--probably a majority of Jews were against him
--most of those in government were against him
--the LGBT community was against him
--a large number of world leaders were against him
--the mainstream media was against him

But in spite of all the smoke and mirrors, rhetoric and nasty posts on social media and message boards and calls in to radio shows and interviews on television, press releases, and the most vicious and dishonestly biased attacks I have ever witnessed from the mainstream media; he was elected President. Enough people cared enough to see through all that bull**** and recognized the dishonesty and lack of fair play and saw in him a better candidate than what anybody else was offering.

And now you just gave the missing element that was bugging me in my analysis of the election. With very few exceptions, he played pretty much straight up by the rules the establishment had set down and they didn't. And enough people in 85% of the landmass including 90% of all counties in the USA knew it. And he was elected.

That indeed is a very very good sign and reason to hope. Thank you for providing the missing piece to my election mosaic. :)
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He won but there was no landslide, nearly 50% of American voters did not vote and over half of those that did voted against him, the only landslide is between your ears.
That said, he is going to be the next and as such should treated like all other Presidents before him, applauded when hey do right and criticized when they do wrong.
 
backpacker said:
There is nothing intrinsically patriotic about "standing up" to Donald Trump. Support the policies and programs that you like and oppose the ones you do not as they come down the pipeline. Democracy shouldn't be about personalities. It is about good policy.
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Trump is a personality leader, a cult of personality leader. Policy is secondary if it matters at all.
 
Casper said:
He won but there was no landslide, nearly 50% of American voters did not vote and over half of those that did voted against him, the only landslide is between your ears.
That said, he is going to be the next and as such should treated like all other Presidents before him, applauded when hey do right and criticized when they do wrong.
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Not only NOT a landslide but no mandate either as he lost the vote of the American people by over 2.5 million and has the ugly stain of illegitimacy on him from the Russian involvement, the Comey illegal interference, and his own claim that election was rigged and then fighting recounts to stop them before they could reveal anything damaging.

Trump should be treated as befits his own conduct and actions and the circumstances of his taking power. He deserves that.
 
haymarket said:
Not only NOT a landslide but no mandate either as he lost the vote of the American people by over 2.5 million and has the ugly stain of illegitimacy on him from the Russian involvement, the Comey illegal interference, and his own claim that election was rigged and then fighting recounts to stop them before they could reveal anything damaging.

Trump should be treated as befits his own conduct and actions and the circumstances of his taking power. He deserves that.
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He lost the vote of Californians by 2.5 million, not " Americans."..

Trump flipped 6 States and the GOP have been handing the Democrats their collective asses for the last 6 years.

Yea, its a landslide and its been happening for some time.
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As for the butt hurt Hillary supporters? Cue the frowny faces....Lol

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Fenton said:
He lost the vote of Californians by 2.5 million, not " Americans."..
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Can you tell us how you know the margin of popular vote victory for Clinton came from California and not 2.5 million votes from places like Wyoming, the Dakotas, Texas and other places?

I can understand how political outsiders make that claim. But allow me to give you the experience I had which I believe will clarify things as to how campaigns are really run.

In 2010, I was the campaign manager for a candidate for the Michigan House. The district had about 80,000 residents of which about 3,500 were actual active primary voters. Picture a district that is five inches high and three inches across. Now divide that up into about 50 different precincts of varying sizes but none abnormal large nor small. Now each district had potential voters in it. Some had very low numbers - twenty to thirty people. Some had large numbers - over 150 to just over 200 in a few. We had to decide where to campaign.

So we made two decisions:
1- We would first hit every single house with an identified primary voter. That would be somebody who had voted in the primary in the last election or in the previous two before that.
2- We drew a large block capitol C on the map that extended about one inch wide to one and a half inches wide going from the upper right north corner to the left, on down and then across the bottom. That is where
3- most of the voters lived
4- our identified most receptive areas were

And we knocked on just over 10,000 doors in five months time and hit every single house we indentified. In the Block C we hit those several times.... some twice, some three times, and in really important precincts - even four times.

And on primary election day, in a field of nine candidates, we won over the expected second place finisher by 70 votes.

Now I can tell you which precincts voted heavy for us and where we won. And i can tell which we lost and did not do well in. But I cannot tell you exactly where those 70 winning votes came from.

Why would a national campaign with the popular vote determining the winner be any different than that?
 
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Renae said:
Ya'll so focused on Trump, you missed where you failed in the House, the Senate, State Governorships, state houses.
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Where we failed was in miscalculating the power of fake news sites like Fox and Breitbart into spooking the herds of ignorant electorates into such a full out stampede- one which is likely to end up destroying half the country before anyone can get it under control again. We never thought anyone was going to be stupid enough to take any of that stuff seriously.

BTW, have you found Obama's real Kenyan birth certificate yet?
 
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ataraxia said:
Where we failed was in miscalculating the power of fake news sites like Fox and Breitbart into spooking the herds of ignorant electorates into such a full out stampede- one which is likely to end up destroying half the country before we can get it under control. We never thought anyone was going to be stupid enough to take any of that stuff seriously.

BTW, have you found Obama's real Kenyan birth certificate yet?
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What " fake news " stories would you be referring too ? Be specific, which ones led to Trump winning the Election?
 
ataraxia said:
Where we failed was in miscalculating the power of fake news sites like Fox and Breitbart into spooking the herds of ignorant electorates into such a full out stampede- one which is likely to end up destroying half the country before anyone can get it under control again. We never thought anyone was going to be stupid enough to take any of that stuff seriously.

BTW, have you found Obama's real Kenyan birth certificate yet?
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Never your fault right? Ya'll just cannot accept responsibility.
 
Casper said:
He won but there was no landslide, nearly 50% of American voters did not vote and over half of those that did voted against him, the only landslide is between your ears.
That said, he is going to be the next and as such should treated like all other Presidents before him, applauded when hey do right and criticized when they do wrong.
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I don't see where I said anything about a landslide. Had your eyes checked lately?
 
Renae said:
Never your fault right? Ya'll just cannot accept responsibility.
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No, if you read my post, I accepted fault. We miscalculated the sheer level of stupidity and gullibility (not to mention deplorability) of so many. Our bad. That was stupid on our part.
 
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