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Trump supporters live in a fantasy world

Kobie said:
So no proof of your claims, then.
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I thought we already settled that

As a begger who lost the election you are not entitled to demand proof

Thats why I said the votes were questionable which they are
 
Reed95 said:
After the election, I think I’m not the only one asking the question “how on earth could people choose someone like Trump to be President of the United States?”

A recent national poll may shed some lights on the question. Public Policy Polling

Here are a few examples:

-67% of Trump voters say that unemployment increased during the Obama administration, to only 20% who say it decreased.

-Only 41% of Trump voters say that the stock market went up during the Obama administration. 39% say it went down, and another 19% say they're not sure.

-73% of Trump voters think that George Soros is paying protesters against Trump to only 6% who think that's not true, and 21% who aren't sure one way or the other.


Many of Trump supporters live in a fantasy world. Are they willing to open their eyes?
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They voted for Trump because they think Trump will blow up Washington. His term is drain the swamp. It the main thing I would like to see him do. He's making a good start. He is replacing the lawyers in Washington with business people and can-do generals. It will be a tough thing to do with the swamp fighting back as hard it can, but he may make some inroads. People who voted for Trump are those who think government is the problem, not the solution. As for your statistics, likely taken from a left leaning source let me say:

1. Unemployment decreased while labor participation also decreased. The added jobs were more part time and with lower incomes than the American public needs. In other words, the personal financial situation for most Americans declined despite the numbers. Just ask the voters.

2. 59% of the voters probably don't follow the stock market. If they experience a bad economy it wouldn't be hard to imagine a belief that the stock market has also been bad. It is possible to engineer almost any result based on how you ask the questions.

3. Some protesters have been paid by organizations that Soros supports. That is fact, not fiction. So he did pay indirectly. The 73% are correct.
 
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celticwar17 said:
I think these questions are misleading... and intentionally so. The only reason Obama has any sort of increase is because he started his presidency in a recession. And the markets bounced back on their own, like how they should. If they didn't bounce back on their own, then there is a much deeper and worse problem.

The only way you can adequately try to make any sort of sense from these statistics is try to see how Obama's economic recovery compares to others after a recession.

I assume conservative poll takers detected the deception in the questions... because they are entirely the wrong questions to ask, they mean nothing, because the vast majority of it was completely out of Obama's hands.

Even then... judging how an economy does during a presidents term from beginning to end means very little. A better measure is of a long term impact of certain policies the president put in place, and some short term impacts if severe enough (Obama care).
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The survey questions were what they were, about people's knowledge of the facts. It was not asking your opinion on the cause and effect. One either got the facts right, or wrong.

Even when you have your thoughts on the cause of the fact, the cause should be reconciled with the fact. The decrease of the unemployment rate was not Obama's doing? Then that rate just simply went up? How interesting!
 
Reed95 said:
The survey questions were what they were, about people's knowledge of the facts. It was not asking your opinion on the cause and effect. One either got the facts right, or wrong.

Even when you have your thoughts on the cause of the fact, the cause should be reconciled with the fact. The decrease of the unemployment rate was not Obama's doing? Then that rate just simply went up? How interesting!
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It was not Obama's... that is a fact. Our economy is supposed to bounce back on it's own... that's what economies do. If we didn't bounce back that would have been a disaster. Our recovery has been very poor.
 
Reed95 said:
After the election, I think I’m not the only one asking the question “how on earth could people choose someone like Trump to be President of the United States?”

A recent national poll may shed some lights on the question. Public Policy Polling

Here are a few examples:

-67% of Trump voters say that unemployment increased during the Obama administration, to only 20% who say it decreased.

-Only 41% of Trump voters say that the stock market went up during the Obama administration. 39% say it went down, and another 19% say they're not sure.

-73% of Trump voters think that George Soros is paying protesters against Trump to only 6% who think that's not true, and 21% who aren't sure one way or the other.


Many of Trump supporters live in a fantasy world. Are they willing to open their eyes?
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"Hey everybody!! Watch me cherry-pick facts to back up my bias."
 
Reed95 said:
After the election, I think I’m not the only one asking the question “how on earth could people choose someone like Trump to be President of the United States?”

A recent national poll may shed some lights on the question. Public Policy Polling

Here are a few examples:

-67% of Trump voters say that unemployment increased during the Obama administration, to only 20% who say it decreased.

-Only 41% of Trump voters say that the stock market went up during the Obama administration. 39% say it went down, and another 19% say they're not sure.

-73% of Trump voters think that George Soros is paying protesters against Trump to only 6% who think that's not true, and 21% who aren't sure one way or the other.


Many of Trump supporters live in a fantasy world. Are they willing to open their eyes?
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The title of the Op is funny.

The problem is that the Trump supporters live in the real world and know what that entails, which is why he was elected.

Obama supporters were the ones living in a fantasy world.

HOPE AND CHANGE!!!

OBAMA PHONES!!!
 
truthatallcost said:
About your 'unbiased' source:


and...


Snopes would rate your source as mostly False. :lol:

How PPP Became The 'It' Democratic Pollster
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Is there any evidence that the survey was fake, or any such sort? Or, the numbers were significantly off?

You dug out an article from years back, and your quote said nothing about many important surveys they have been doing? You may want to check out the wiki article about them.
 
celticwar17 said:
It was not Obama's... that is a fact. Our economy is supposed to bounce back on it's own... that's what economies do. If we didn't bounce back that would have been a disaster. Our recovery has been very poor.
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you need to check your facts before you post foolishness. the recovery has not been very poor
 
fmw said:
They voted for Trump because they think Trump will blow up Washington. His term is drain the swamp. It the main thing I would like to see him do. He's making a good start. He is replacing the lawyers in Washington with business people and can-do generals. It will be a tough thing to do with the swamp fighting back as hard it can, but he may make some inroads. People who voted for Trump are those who think government is the problem, not the solution. As for your statistics, likely taken from a left leaning source let me say:

1. Unemployment decreased while labor participation also decreased. The added jobs were more part time and with lower incomes than the American public needs. In other words, the personal financial situation for most Americans declined despite the numbers. Just ask the voters.

2. 59% of the voters probably don't follow the stock market. If they experience a bad economy it wouldn't be hard to imagine a belief that the stock market has also been bad. It is possible to engineer almost any result based on how you ask the questions.

3. Some protesters have been paid by organizations that Soros supports. That is fact, not fiction. So he did pay indirectly. The 73% are correct.
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point one is incorrect and dishonest. the percent of part time jobs is about the same now as before the recession.
 
Mac77 said:
The career politicians in washinton hated Trump in the primary and general election also

As long as they continue to hate him I will worry less
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Except for the fact that they control Congress. :doh
 
TheGoverness said:
Here's my take on why most people who voted for him, wanted Trump to be the President, based on what I've gathered from Trump supporters:

1. They are against the political estabishment. Donald Trump presented himself as sort of an anti-establishment candidate.

2. They are against Political Correctness.

3. Bias in the Media.

4. They disliked Hillary Clinton. Meaning that they didn't necessarily like Trump as a presidential candidate, but to them, he was better than the alternative. The same could be said for a lot of Hillary supporters, too.

5. The 2nd Amendment. They felt Hillary would try to implement laws that would restrict their gun rights.
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Basically attitudinal politics, but not much interest in public policy.
 
Casper said:
Except for the fact that they control Congress. :doh
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At their core they are all finger wetters who want to get reelected.

Trump will run roughshod over them as long as he is strong in the polls
 
Mac77 said:
National polls are meaningless in our electoral college system.

Hillary piled up votes of questionable legality in california and new york but not where they counted the most
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In terms of winning the Electoral College, yes you are right.

His problem is he won the technicalities, but not the populace at large.

And that was the point of discussion. We know he won the election in technical terms, but now he's got to govern the country as a whole. He can do it by consensus, or by force. And using force against consensus (if he so choses), will have negative consequences.
 
Mac77 said:
At their core they are all finger wetters who want to get reelected.

Trump will run roughshod over them as long as he is strong in the polls
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I bet you actually believe that. We shall see who controls who. While we wait you might look up the powers of the President and those of Congress.
 
katzgar said:
you need to check your facts before you post foolishness. the recovery has not been very poor
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In comparison to other economic recoveries... it has been poor. Our GDP is very low, unemployment was slow to recover, interest rates were very low for a long period of time.

very poor.
 
celticwar17 said:
In comparison to other economic recoveries... it has been poor. Our GDP is very low, unemployment was slow to recover, interest rates were very low for a long period of time.

very poor.
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yes and an economic education would explain that.
 
Reed95 said:
After the election, I think I’m not the only one asking the question “how on earth could people choose someone like Trump to be President of the United States?”

A recent national poll may shed some lights on the question. Public Policy Polling

Here are a few examples:

-67% of Trump voters say that unemployment increased during the Obama administration, to only 20% who say it decreased.

-Only 41% of Trump voters say that the stock market went up during the Obama administration. 39% say it went down, and another 19% say they're not sure.

-73% of Trump voters think that George Soros is paying protesters against Trump to only 6% who think that's not true, and 21% who aren't sure one way or the other.


Many of Trump supporters live in a fantasy world. Are they willing to open their eyes?
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Should we post what libs believe? There are literally thousands of videos of absolutely bag 'o hammers stupid libs.
 
Mac77 said:
At their core they are all finger wetters who want to get reelected.

Trump will run roughshod over them as long as he is strong in the polls
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Nope, for a congress critter it is those that fund your campaign and the subset of the folks voting in your state/district that matter. What is popular in NY and CA will have a huge impact on the polls and doesn't mean squat in rural Texas.
 
L
Chomsky said:
In terms of winning the Electoral College, yes you are right.

His problem is he won the technicalities, but not the populace at large.

And that was the point of discussion. We know he won the election in technical terms, but now he's got to govern the country as a whole. He can do it by consensus, or by force. And using force against consensus (if he so choses), will have negative consequences.
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I'm confident that trump won more legal votes than hillary did

But the sore losers are not ready to quit yet

They - maybe you - want to weaken trump

Which can be done

But this is a political fight to the death and the last dog standing will be trump
 
Reed95 said:
After the election, I think I’m not the only one asking the question “how on earth could people choose someone like Trump to be President of the United States?”

A recent national poll may shed some lights on the question. Public Policy Polling

Here are a few examples:

-67% of Trump voters say that unemployment increased during the Obama administration, to only 20% who say it decreased.

-Only 41% of Trump voters say that the stock market went up during the Obama administration. 39% say it went down, and another 19% say they're not sure.

-73% of Trump voters think that George Soros is paying protesters against Trump to only 6% who think that's not true, and 21% who aren't sure one way or the other.


Many of Trump supporters live in a fantasy world. Are they willing to open their eyes?
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The folks who voted for President Trump live in the real world.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...s-optimism-skyrockets-following-trump-victory
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Nope, for a congress critter it is those that fund your campaign and the subset of the folks voting in your state/district that matter. What is popular in NY and CA will have a huge impact on the polls and doesn't mean squat in rural Texas.
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To a certain extent all politics is local

It is trumps high poll numers in rural Texas that will keep those conservative republicans in his corner not ideology
 
Chomsky said:
In terms of winning the Electoral College, yes you are right.

His problem is he won the technicalities, but not the populace at large.

And that was the point of discussion. We know he won the election in technical terms, but now he's got to govern the country as a whole. He can do it by consensus, or by force. And using force against consensus (if he so choses), will have negative consequences.
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What do you mean by technicalities?
 
Mac77 said:
To a certain extent all politics is local

It is trumps high poll numers in rural Texas that will keep those conservative republicans in his corner not ideology
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That depends. I don't want PPACA to be slightly modified and renamed as TrumpCare, I want PPACA repealed. I don't want some (worst of the worst?) few more illegal aliens deported I want the law either changed or enforced as written. I am tired of politicians saying one thing to get elected and then doing another to appease the DC elite and their big money donors. If either of those is not done by the midterms then Trumps "popularity" will not help my congress critters get my vote.
 
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