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Why does the GOP want to obstruct investigation into Russian hacking?

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The CIA says tha the Russians hacked into the DNC and others before and during the election an passed the info off to Wikileaks to get the person they wanted elected to the presidency. Obama calls for an investigation into those acts by the Russians, but the GOP and Trump are first, saying that the CIA has no proof and this is a political action by the CIA. And secondly, that it appears that they are willing to take the word of a Russian dictator instead that Russia wasn't involved. THe GOP head in the Senate says no investigation. I would think that most Americans would agree that such an investigation is warrented. I mean the GOP spent 100 million investigating first both Clintons and over 50 million more investigating Hillary for Benghazi and the emails and those things seem insignifigant compared to a foriegn country injecting itself into one of the most important decisions Americans can make, the electing of our representatives to govern our country.
 
I am a liberal, so please don't think I am defending the GOP here. But the issue is not quite so simple. Actually both Lindsey Graham (R, NC) and John McCain (R, AZ) are spearheading the attempt to investigate this issue further. They are both scheduled to take a trip to Eastern Europe soon, where there is evidence that the Russians hacked into their election systems as well, and actively spread fake news stories to influence the outcomes. The pattern seems to be very similar to what happened here. So many in the GOP too are also very concerned about this.

The problem is not the GOP per se, but it is Donald Trump. The US intelligence community is pretty sure at this point that there was active hacking, interference, and dissemination of fake news by the Russians in this election. Trump's refusal to even acknowledge this as a possibility and refuse calls to investigate it further has completely baffled and frustrated them. There is a sense of urgency that the investigation needs to proceed quickly before the swearing in, because there is concern that after the swearing in, not only will there not be any interest in pursuing this, but any further attempts to pursue it will be actively blocked by the whitehouse. But it is unlikely that they can get much done before then. And as far as popular will, it seems that not only would Trump supporters be OK with him standing in the middle of 5th Ave. and shooting people, they will cheer on Russian intelligence services and Putin too and send them a thank you note if they find out that they were behind the fraudulent election of their guy.

The US is basically getting screwed by the Russians, and seems to be enjoying the experience and begging for more. So much for making America great again.
 
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independentusa said:
The CIA says tha the Russians hacked into the DNC and others before and during the election an passed the info off to Wikileaks to get the person they wanted elected to the presidency. Obama calls for an investigation into those acts by the Russians, but the GOP and Trump are first, saying that the CIA has no proof and this is a political action by the CIA. And secondly, that it appears that they are willing to take the word of a Russian dictator instead that Russia wasn't involved. THe GOP head in the Senate says no investigation. I would think that most Americans would agree that such an investigation is warrented. I mean the GOP spent 100 million investigating first both Clintons and over 50 million more investigating Hillary for Benghazi and the emails and those things seem insignifigant compared to a foriegn country injecting itself into one of the most important decisions Americans can make, the electing of our representatives to govern our country.
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The reason the GOP probably opposes this is due the fact its nothing more than bull **** attempt by the DNC and some RINOs to try to de-legitimize Trump's victory.Much like when the 2nd Bush won and loony leftist kept claiming Bush stole the election. Or when die hard right wing nut jobs claimed Obama was born in Kenya and claimed he photoshopped it. If Clinton won then Obama,THe DNC and a handful of RINOs wouldn't give two ****s about the Russians.

Center for Security Policy | No, Hillary, 17 U.S. Intelligence Agencies Did Not Say Russia Hacked Dem E-mails
 
jamesrage said:
The reason the GOP probably opposes this is due the fact its nothing more than bull **** attempt by the DNC and some RINOs to try to de-legitimize Trump's victory.Much like when the 2nd Bush won and loony leftist kept claiming Bush stole the election. Or when die hard right wing nut jobs claimed Obama was born in Kenya and claimed he photoshopped it. If Clinton won then Obama,THe DNC and a handful of RINOs wouldn't give two ****s about the Russians.

Center for Security Policy | No, Hillary, 17 U.S. Intelligence Agencies Did Not Say Russia Hacked Dem E-mails
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But it's not just liberals and so-called RINOs. It's the US intelligence community.

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"In a stunning response to widening claims of a Russian espionage operation targeting the presidential race, Trump's camp risked an early feud with the Intelligence community on which he will rely for top secret assessments of the greatest threats facing the United States.

"These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction," the transition said in a terse, unsigned statement...

The transition team's reference to the agency's most humiliating recent intelligence misfire — over its conclusion that Iraq under Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction — threatens to cast an early cloud over relations between the Trump White House and the CIA, whose assessments he'll need to make monumental decisions.

The top leadership of the agency that presided over the Iraq failure during the Bush administration has long since been replaced. But the comments from Trump's camp will cause concern in the Intelligence community about the incoming President's attitude to America's spy agencies. CNN reported this week that Trump is getting intelligence briefings only once a week...

Multiple sources with knowledge of the investigation into Russia's hacking told CNN last week that the US intelligence community is increasingly confident that Russian meddling in the US election was intended to steer the election toward Trump, rather than simply to undermine or in other ways disrupt the political process.

On Friday, the Post cited US officials as saying that intelligence agencies have identified individuals connected to the Russian government who gave Wikileaks thousands of hacked emails from the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman John Podesta..."
Donald Trump takes aim at US intel on Russia - CNNPolitics.com
 
independentusa said:
The CIA says tha the Russians hacked into the DNC and others before and during the election an passed the info off to Wikileaks to get the person they wanted elected to the presidency. Obama calls for an investigation into those acts by the Russians, but the GOP and Trump are first, saying that the CIA has no proof and this is a political action by the CIA. And secondly, that it appears that they are willing to take the word of a Russian dictator instead that Russia wasn't involved. THe GOP head in the Senate says no investigation. I would think that most Americans would agree that such an investigation is warrented. I mean the GOP spent 100 million investigating first both Clintons and over 50 million more investigating Hillary for Benghazi and the emails and those things seem insignifigant compared to a foriegn country injecting itself into one of the most important decisions Americans can make, the electing of our representatives to govern our country.
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Outside of the fact that "most Americans" will never be privy to any evidence (we must not reveal methods ad sources), what exactly can congress do about the actions of foreign governments? Would you be equally eager to allow Russia (or perhaps the UN?) to charge our government of "hacking" for the SIGINT efforts of the military, NSA and CIA?

Signals Intelligence (SIGINT) Analyst Jobs (35N) | goarmy.com

What we have here is a non-court (congress critters) deciding whether to act like one.
 
The problem is that when this investigation is over we're still going to get only selective leaks about the findings.
That's never a good thing.
And considering we already have guys like Adam Schiff and Elijah Cummings already all over TV declaring the Russians were the perps because all 17 intelligence agencies agreed the Russian were the perps, even though they all didn't agree, and even though the GOP was allegedly hacked also, why would this time be more conclusive ... let alone convince them they were wrong to declare it settled.
Kind of like global warming is settled science when we know it isn't.

We don't know what, or about whom, information was held back but the other thing to consider is if we're better off with more knowledge than less ... regardless of where it came from or who it implicated.
 
ataraxia said:
But it's not just liberals and so-called RINOs. It's the US intelligence community.

_____________
"In a stunning response to widening claims of a Russian espionage operation targeting the presidential race, Trump's camp risked an early feud with the Intelligence community on which he will rely for top secret assessments of the greatest threats facing the United States.

"These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction," the transition said in a terse, unsigned statement...

The transition team's reference to the agency's most humiliating recent intelligence misfire — over its conclusion that Iraq under Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction — threatens to cast an early cloud over relations between the Trump White House and the CIA, whose assessments he'll need to make monumental decisions.

The top leadership of the agency that presided over the Iraq failure during the Bush administration has long since been replaced. But the comments from Trump's camp will cause concern in the Intelligence community about the incoming President's attitude to America's spy agencies. CNN reported this week that Trump is getting intelligence briefings only once a week...

Multiple sources with knowledge of the investigation into Russia's hacking told CNN last week that the US intelligence community is increasingly confident that Russian meddling in the US election was intended to steer the election toward Trump, rather than simply to undermine or in other ways disrupt the political process.

On Friday, the Post cited US officials as saying that intelligence agencies have identified individuals connected to the Russian government who gave Wikileaks thousands of hacked emails from the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman John Podesta..."
Donald Trump takes aim at US intel on Russia - CNNPolitics.com
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All I see is crying wolf by liberals who to believe any and everything they can that helps de-legitimizes Trump's victory. That fact that libs would trust any words that come out of the mouths of the intelligence agencies when for years saying Bush lied is laughable.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Outside of the fact that "most Americans" will never be privy to any evidence (we must not reveal methods ad sources), what exactly can congress do about the actions of foreign governments? Would you be equally eager to allow Russia (or perhaps the UN?) to charge our government of "hacking" for the SIGINT efforts of the military, NSA and CIA?

Signals Intelligence (SIGINT) Analyst Jobs (35N) | goarmy.com

What we have here is a non-court (congress critters) deciding whether to act like one.
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I.... I ....don't... understand. I am speechless. So you are saying there should be no attempt to even investigate? There is the possibility that a foreign government systematically interfered with and rigged our election, and we should just shrug it off with a "Oh well"?

And yet we spend years investigating Hillary Clinton because there was an attack on a US consulate in a politically unstable country while she was Sec of State?

This is really, really bizarre...
 
jamesrage said:
All I see is crying wolf by liberals who to believe any and everything they can that helps de-legitimizes Trump's victory. That fact that libs would trust any words that come out of the mouths of the intelligence agencies when for years saying Bush lied is laughable.
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Does your russian loving, ***** grabbing president elect need a safe space from all those liberals and intelligence agencies and RINOs. ****ing *****
 
bubbabgone said:
The problem is that when this investigation is over we're still going to get only selective leaks about the findings.
That's never a good thing.
And considering we already have guys like Adam Schiff and Elijah Cummings already all over TV declaring the Russians were the perps because all 17 intelligence agencies agreed the Russian were the perps, even though they all didn't agree, and even though the GOP was allegedly hacked also, why would this time be more conclusive ... let alone convince them they were wrong to declare it settled.
Kind of like global warming is settled science when we know it isn't.

We don't know what, or about whom, information was held back but the other thing to consider is if we're better off with more knowledge than less ... regardless of where it came from or who it implicated.
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Greetings, bubba. :2wave:

:agree: :thumbs: A good omen it is, says Yoda! :lamo
 
ataraxia said:
I.... I ....don't... understand. I am speechless. So you are saying there should be no attempt to even investigate? There is the possibility that a foreign government systematically interfered and rigged our election, and we should just shrug it off with a "Oh well"?

And yet we spend years investigating Hillary Clinton because there was an attack on a US consulate in a politically unstable country while she was Sec of State?

This is really, really bizarre...
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Rigged our election how? By doing what?

There was years of investigation about Benghazi because Barack, Hillary, and their entire Party kept lying about it with their version of fake news.
That aside, it's funny you bring up Benghazi at all.
Let's say there were Podesta emails about how they viewed the Benghazi issue and how they would handle it, as well as peripheral issues. There were.
Would it be important for the Country that we saw them? Why not?
Would you think releasing them was an attempt to rig an election? Why and how?
 
bubbabgone said:
Rigged our election how? By doing what?

There was years of investigation about Benghazi because Barack, Hillary, and their entire Party kept lying about it with their version of fake news.
That aside, it's funny you bring up Benghazi at all.
Let's say there were Podesta emails about how they viewed the Benghazi issue and how they would handle it, as well as peripheral issues. There were.
Would it be important for the Country that we saw them? Why not?
Would you think releasing them was an attempt to rig an election? Why and how?
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It seems they have done the same kind of stuff in Eastern Europe. We know Wikileaks released all those things. Where they got their info, is not clear. But if it didn't matter, why would they do it?
 
bubbabgone said:
What's shakin' Pol.
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I'm gonna make a tub full of Chex Mix today - for my eating pleasure, selfish thing that I am! :lamo I'll start on the Christmas cookies, strudel, etc next week, and I need fuel to get er done! :thumbs:
 
ataraxia said:
I.... I ....don't... understand. I am speechless. So you are saying there should be no attempt to even investigate? There is the possibility that a foreign government systematically interfered with and rigged our election, and we should just shrug it off with a "Oh well"?

And yet we spend years investigating Hillary Clinton because there was an attack on a US consulate in a politically unstable country while she was Sec of State?

This is really, really bizarre...
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OK, let me put that another way. Congress must rely 100% on what the executive branch tells them - congress is not going to hire private investigators. As you noted with the congressional Benghazi "investigation" congress is simply going to make noise and "demand" that the executive "do something". Have you seen any evidence that the Benghazi fiasco accomplished anything to prevent the next embassy attack?

What, exactly, can congress critters ever hope to do to prevent foreign "hacking" of non-government sites? Let's say that Obama (et al) are 100% sure that Russia "hacked" some web sites used by demorats and the press forwarded the results to al l- will we go to war or make it illegal to print "hacked" material? Neither is likely so what is the point of an investigation?
 
Why does the GOP want to obstruct investigation into Russian hacking?
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Maybe for the same reason way to many Republicans promote and assimilate fake news stories and abhor fact checking sites?

You see, in the art of selling snake-oil, one must first convince the buyer that the piss falling on their head is raindrops.

The C.I.A. is in direct conflict with the GOP efforts to create their alternate reality. Just like the fact checking sites.

Maybe The Donald and the new day republicans can do away with the C.I.A. altogether and just farm the job out to an overseas intelligence agency more in line with their ideology. Maybe give the job to K.G.B. Their new comrades.
 
I think it's pretty obvious the only reason to try to stop an investigation into this is because they evaluated they had more to gain, for whatever reason, if the investigation doesn't take place. My guess would be that they think this would negatively impact the credibility of the next administration, and therefore make it more of a challenge to sell their policies to the public. It's a political game, but in this instance I think it can set a dangerous precedent. Ignoring intelligence agencies because you think you know better is not good practice.
 
MrPeanut said:
I think it's pretty obvious the only reason to try to stop an investigation into this is because they evaluated they had more to gain, for whatever reason, if the investigation doesn't take place. My guess would be that they think this would negatively impact the credibility of the next administration, and therefore make it more of a challenge to sell their policies to the public. It's a political game, but in this instance I think it can set a dangerous precedent. Ignoring intelligence agencies because you think you know better is not good practice.
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I don't think they have much to worry about regarding the impact of the credibility of the Trump administration.

If after all we have heard President-Elect Trump say and do, and still get elected POTUS, I don't think there really is much he could do that would turn his supporters away. They simply do not care.

Forget that just about every fixture in the Trump house is gold laden, looking much like any given state room in the Kremlin, his never ending desire to wrap his lips around Putin's ****, has a wife that looks and sounds like any given movie actress that has played the part of a U.S.S.R. spy and the right wing's allegiance Putin over their own president, it still seems to fly over some people's heads.

Back during the cold war, we were warned about commie propaganda and the USSR goal to implode America from within. Whoda thunk that the one's that would turn commie minded would be the one's that used to wrap their selves in the American flag, clutching a bible?

Tsk, tsk, tsk...... We were warned.

Ignoring intelligence seems to be the new way to do things here in America.

But look on the bright side. Hillary lost.
 
jamesrage said:
The reason the GOP probably opposes this is due the fact its nothing more than bull **** attempt by the DNC and some RINOs to try to de-legitimize Trump's victory.Much like when the 2nd Bush won and loony leftist kept claiming Bush stole the election. Or when die hard right wing nut jobs claimed Obama was born in Kenya and claimed he photoshopped it. If Clinton won then Obama,THe DNC and a handful of RINOs wouldn't give two ****s about the Russians.
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The only bull**** is trump minions working overtime to lie and deny every time they see something that might reflect negatively on Trump.
 
Probably because they benefitted from it. And when you add it to the litany of other election factors
*** Clinton winning the popular vote by 2.5 million
*** the possibly illegal Comey interference turning the election around in the last ten days
*** the Trump opposition to the Michigan recount bringing up the question what is he afraid of finding out?

the whole Russian interference question only has the opportunity to stain his presidency even more branding him as illegitimate in the eyes of many Americans.
 
Mr Person said:
The only bull**** is trump minions working overtime to lie and deny every time they see something that might reflect negatively on Trump.
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You've noticed that too, hey? LOL!

I especially like the one's on cable news. Poor tormented creatures. Their job is one of the most difficult jobs I could ever imagine.

But what else can you do when your degree is in Turd Polishing? :lamo
 
ataraxia said:
It seems they have done the same kind of stuff in Eastern Europe. We know Wikileaks released all those things. Where they got their info, is not clear. But if it didn't matter, why would they do it?
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Do you mean what motivation would Wiki have to release, for example, the Podesta emails sent to/received from non-Government websites??
If not that then I don't know what you're referring to.
 
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polgara said:
I'm gonna make a tub full of Chex Mix today - for my eating pleasure, selfish thing that I am! :lamo I'll start on the Christmas cookies, strudel, etc next week, and I need fuel to get er done! :thumbs:
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Are you freezing your giggy off over there?
 
Why does the GOP want to obstruct investigation into Russian hacking?
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because they won. an investigation won't help their team. same reason that any party wants or doesn't want an investigation after the fact. the same is true where recounts are concerned.
 
ataraxia said:
I am a liberal, so please don't think I am defending the GOP here. But the issue is not quite so simple. Actually both Lindsey Graham (R, NC) and John McCain (R, AZ) are spearheading the attempt to investigate this issue further. They are both scheduled to take a trip to Eastern Europe soon, where there is evidence that the Russians hacked into their election systems as well, and actively spread fake news stories to influence the outcomes. The pattern seems to be very similar to what happened here. So many in the GOP too are also very concerned about this.

The problem is not the GOP per se, but it is Donald Trump. The US intelligence community is pretty sure at this point that there was active hacking, interference, and dissemination of fake news by the Russians in this election. Trump's refusal to even acknowledge this as a possibility and refuse calls to investigate it further has completely baffled and frustrated them. There is a sense of urgency that the investigation needs to proceed quickly before the swearing in, because there is concern that after the swearing in, not only will there not be any interest in pursuing this, but any further attempts to pursue it will be actively blocked by the whitehouse. But it is unlikely that they can get much done before then. And as far as popular will, it seems that not only would Trump supporters be OK with him standing in the middle of 5th Ave. and shooting people, they will cheer on Russian intelligence services and Putin too and send them a thank you note if they find out that they were behind the fraudulent election of their guy.

The US is basically getting screwed by the Russians, and seems to be enjoying the experience and begging for more. So much for making America great again.
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McConnell is stonewalling it too.

Treasonous Mitch McConnell Refused To Oppose Russia Election Meddling For Trump

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...d324840106c_story.html?utm_term=.5b1848c62479
According to several officials, McConnell raised doubts about the underlying intelligence and made clear to the administration that he would consider any effort by the White House to challenge the Russians publicly an act of partisan politics.

Some of the Republicans in the briefing also seemed opposed to the idea of going public with such explosive allegations in the final stages of an election, a move that they argued would only rattle public confidence and play into Moscow’s hands.
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Funny, seems to me no one in the R House had a problem with pushing Comey's letter out into the public sphere a week before the election. Hypocrite bastards.
 
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