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What the election results mean

Mason66 said:
The post office, which is an agency of the federal government, already recognizes Taiwan.

The country is listed as Taiwan on the list of countries you can send a package to.
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I don't understand your point xD I think that is out of necessity for packaging and sending rather than a official recognization. You see Taiwan in the UN? You even see them representated as Taiwan in the Olympics??? China doesn't even allow them that....


are you ignorant to the fact that China does not recognize Taiwan as a sovereign state? And the US, bow to China in this regard.
 
celticwar17 said:
I don't understand your point xD I think that is out of necessity for packaging and sending rather that a official recolonization. You see Taiwan in the UN? You even see them representated as Taiwan in the Olympics??? China doesn't even allow them that....


are you ignorant to the fact that China does not recognize Taiwan as a sovereign state? And the US, bow to China in this regard.
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If the US didn't recognize Taiwan, it wouldn't be on the list. One has nothing to do with the other.

It is a country with it's own name and a federal agency recognizes that.

Whatever story they tell the rest of the world doesn't change that.
 
Mason66 said:
If the US didn't recognize Taiwan, it wouldn't be on the list. One has nothing to do with the other.

It is a country with it's own name and a federal agency recognizes that.

Whatever story they tell the rest of the world doesn't change that.
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Your argument is...
That since the US post office labels Taiwan as a country, Therefore the U.S. recognizes Taiwan with it's own federal agency.

In my view that is not enough, and I personally would like the U.S to form a much stronger stance and bond with Taiwan than just postal recognization.
 
kamikaze483 said:
Not under our constitution. And that was "rubbing it in." Not a personal attack. Secondly, a change like this would also require three fourths of states. This sort of change can't be made by popular referendum either. And 30/50 states (that's 60%) are happy with the result. That means only 20/50 states are unhappy with it and might support such a change. That's why it can't happen. Because its not what the majority of the country wants.
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But if that doesn't pass, the left will complain that the people's vote was not counted, just state votes.
 
Mason66 said:
What does this mean "it just happened"?

He won the vote in those states, nothing just happened.
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The margin was so small in those states that a slight shift in turnout would have swung those states to Hillary. Keep in mind that voter turnout overall was about 58%, so turnout was as important as voter preferences in determining the outcome. IMO, a slight loss of turnout, compared to Obama and compared to forecasts, was the biggest factor in Hillary's loss. There was no general surge in support for Trump, since he had his own issues. And again, the flawed EC system was a factor as well, since it's not in dispute that Hillary won the popular vote by a significant margin.
 
Mason66 said:
It is odd how these crybabies are complaining so much about the Presidential election when the Democrats have been losing seats and governorships for the past 6 years.

How do they explain that? No excuses to be had there.
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Agreed.

They have yet to grasp that the majority of voters are not supportive of their liberal / progressive vision with it's overbearing / overreaching government god, it's economically stifling regulations, punitive taxation, divisive identity politics, and excessive PC bull****.

Once they do grasp this, and accept it, only then, will they be able to heal, and progress from there. Until then, well, the future looks pretty dim for them. The greatest irony is that it's self-inflicted, and they have no one else to blame for the election loss, although they are still busy blame casting all about to everyone and everything else other than themselves.
 
LessBiased? said:
The margin was so small in those states that a slight shift in turnout would have swung those states to Hillary. Keep in mind that voter turnout overall was about 58%, so turnout was as important as voter preferences in determining the outcome. IMO, a slight loss of turnout, compared to Obama and compared to forecasts, was the biggest factor in Hillary's loss. There was no general surge in support for Trump, since he had his own issues. And again, the flawed EC system was a factor as well, since it's not in dispute that Hillary won the popular vote by a significant margin.
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"What If" didn't happen.

Trump won those states. That did not just happen.
 
eohrnberger said:
Agreed.

They have yet to grasp that the majority of voters are not supportive of their liberal / progressive vision with it's overbearing / overreaching government god, it's economically stifling regulations, punitive taxation, divisive identity politics, and excessive PC bull****.

Once they do grasp this, and accept it, only then, will they be able to heal, and progress from there. Until then, well, the future looks pretty dim for them. The greatest irony is that it's self-inflicted, and they have no one else to blame for the election loss, although they are still busy blame casting all about to everyone and everything else other than themselves.
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As Obama has told us, since 2012 the country has turned almost 100% racist. All of those people that voted for him in 2008 and 2012 are now racist and voted for Trump.

Obama can't go away soon enough.

At least we can get rid of this notion that Obama is an intelligent person. He has shown that not to be the case.
 
Mason66 said:
"What If" didn't happen.

Trump won those states. That did not just happen.
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We are all aware of that. My point is that whisker-thin wins which went to one side aren't the same as solid wins favoring one candidate. This is important in trying to interpret the reasons and implications of the election outcome. Many conservatives would like to tell a tale of how America embraced Trump's messages and wholesale rejected Hillary. But it's not true, the election was very close in both the swing states and the overall popular vote. Moreover, many voters voted for their candidate only as a lesser of two evils.
 
LessBiased? said:
I don't. That would be a good thing.

My point is that is what matters is how effective he'll be as President. Politics isn't kid's stuff. The same traits which many people find offensive may work to his advantage as President, as they have in his past dealings. I don't want a crazy guy who blows up the world as our President, but there's room for certain amount of brash toughness in this job, and he may be able to strike the right balance. I don't think he's the dummy many people think he is.
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There's a difference between being a brash politician (which he has no experience in, btw) and being an outright narcissistic, thin-skinned hate-filled jerk. There is no reason to believe a president shouldn't be a role model for children.
 
kamikaze483 said:
That is exactly why I voted for Trump over Hillary.
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Really? You stepped into the voting booth thinking, "hmm, which candidate is someone I don't want my children looking up to? That is the guy I want to lead this country!"


What is wrong with my fellow Americans?! :doh
 
Geoist said:
Really? You stepped into the voting booth thinking, "hmm, which candidate is someone I don't want my children looking up to? That is the guy I want to lead this country!"


What is wrong with my fellow Americans?! :doh
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That is not what I said at all. I meant that I thought that Hillary was the exact opposite of who I would want my children looking up too which is why I voted against her.
 
Reed95 said:
Looking back to the surprising November 8th election results, there have been all kinds of statements, reviews, and declarations.
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Pretty much.

The media wants to turn every election into a crisis and major turning point. That's how they sell their services.

The victors routinely try to turn election results into a mandate, regardless of the truth. It's a way of building legitimacy and political capital. It also often results in overreach.

The losers want to figure out what's wrong, so they don't lose next time. So it goes.


A subset of American people, who happen to be in the “battle-ground” states, decided the election outcome for the entire country with their over- proportional power. That was what happened.
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Yep. Democracy not in action. Welcome to America.


Something is wrong here. Something is very wrong …
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Well, this was a deliberate choice by the Framers over 200 years ago. Ironically it was also supposed to be a safety valve, to stop a tyrant or unqualified candidate from being President. Guess that didn't work.

Even if you don't think Trump is deeply unfit for the office, it's pretty clear that the EC won't stop a charismatic autocrat from taking office, as long as they are nominally attached to one of the parties.


Also, about those new rules, I don’t think America will tolerate Trump’s ‘new rules’ much longer.
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Which rules?
 
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