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"An extinction-level event for American labor [unions]"

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Trump Presidency Could Kill Labor Unions



As Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin—states that once were the stronghold of the nation’s industrial union movement—dropped into Donald Trump’s column on election night, one longtime union staff member told me that Trump’s victory was “an extinction-level event for American labor.”


He may be right.


A half-century ago, more than a third of those Rust Belt workers were unionized, and their unions had the clout to win them a decent wage, benefits, and pensions. Their unions also had the power to turn out the vote. They did—for Democrats. White workers who belonged to unions voted Democratic at a rate 20 percent higher than their non-union counterparts, and there were enough such workers to make a difference on Election Day.

God let's hope so. I enjoy watching the collective pants-wetting from the poor, poor coercive American labor cartel. Serves them right for so incessantly and blatantly lying to their membership for so many years about how Democrats are so wonderfully anti-free trade. The union mentality is so self-defeating, it's really sad.
 
Trump Presidency Could Kill Labor Unions





God let's hope so. I enjoy watching the collective pants-wetting from the poor, poor coercive American labor cartel. Serves them right for so incessantly and blatantly lying to their membership for so many years about how Democrats are so wonderfully anti-free trade. The union mentality is so self-defeating, it's really sad.
Is that true? Nobody has been anti-free trade for decades. I assumed they told their members Democrats are better for them than the other guys. Which in that case they were right.
 
Is that true? Nobody has been anti-free trade for decades. I assumed they told their members Democrats are better for them than the other guys. Which in that case they were right.

Democrats told union steel workers in Pittsburgh they could make $18.00/hr sweeping the floors in the mills in 1967. I know. I lived there and saw it. Do you what that got them?
 
Democrats told union steel workers in Pittsburgh they could make $18.00/hr sweeping the floors in the mills in 1967. I know. I lived there and saw it. Do you what that got them?
That obviously sounds dumb, but anybody promising anything to steel workers heading into the 70s didn't know what the hell they were talking about.
 
Is that true? Nobody has been anti-free trade for decades. I assumed they told their members Democrats are better for them than the other guys. Which in that case they were right.

"She opposes the job-killing Trans-Pacific Partnership!!!" - Richard Trumka, at the 2016 Democratic National Convention

Outright blatant lying.

By the way, Trump is not a mere "other guy." He is not cut from the cloth of the likes of Romney, McCain or Bush. He lured more votes away from union members/households than any of them, despite probably the harshest opposition we've seen from union leaders.

Hopefully union members were fooled once again, and invited a wolf into the flock. Now the wolf just needs to do what's in his nature. Let's wait and hope.

(edit) What would be even better (albeit a taller order) would be if, somehow, he could win more of the support of the American workers themselves by, among other things, turning them against their own corrupt union organizations and weakening those organizations overall.
 
"She opposes the job-killing Trans-Pacific Partnership!!!" - Richard Trumka, at the 2016 Democratic National Convention

Outright blatant lying.


By the way, Trump is not a mere "other guy." He is not cut from the cloth of the likes of Romney, McCain or Bush. He lured more votes away from union members/households than any of them, despite probably the harshest opposition we've seen from union leaders.

Hopefully union members were fooled once again, and invited a wolf into the flock. Now the wolf just needs to do what's in his nature. Let's wait and hope.
I completely agree that anybody saying Hillary actually opposed the TPP was full of crap. Trump lured those people out with promises of protectionism. I'm not quite as happy as you to see these people in the rust belt get bent over the table by a man that has been a millionaire since he came out of the womb.
 
Democrats told union steel workers in Pittsburgh they could make $18.00/hr sweeping the floors in the mills in 1967. I know. I lived there and saw it. Do you what that got them?

A billy Joel song?
 
I do not believe in national labor.

I do believe in solid locals that deal directly with the company.
They seem to work out better than direct national unions.

They have an actual vested interest in keeping the company profitable.
 
I completely agree that anybody saying Hillary actually opposed the TPP was full of crap. Trump lured those people out with promises of protectionism. I'm not quite as happy as you to see these people in the rust belt get bent over the table by a man that has been a millionaire since he came out of the womb.

The fate of the American worker is not tied to the fate of American labor cartels. Let's make sure we understand that. The American worker is not the same thing as the American labor union. Unions have a small minority of private sector work as it is, and there's not even any justification for them existing in the public sector. Americans would work even in a hypothetical world where no labor union existed. In fact, more of them might.
 
The fate of the American worker is not tied to the fate of American labor cartels. Let's make sure we understand that. The American worker is not the same thing as the American labor union. Unions have a small minority of private sector work as it is, and there's not even any justification for them existing in the public sector. Americans would work even in a hypothetical world where no labor union existed. In fact, more of them might.
Obviously, we didn't always have unions. Life wasn't exactly that sweet for workers back then either. I do agree that unions can go too far though. It's all about having some sort of balance of power.
 
Obviously, we didn't always have unions. Life wasn't exactly that sweet for workers back then either. I do agree that unions can go too far though. It's all about having some sort of balance of power.

There can be (and is!) a balance of power mechanism even where there are no unions. The disappearance of unions would not mean all our labor laws that prohibit certain things (child labor, unpaid labor, no overtime, 16+ hour days, and so on) would suddenly be repealed. Laws and regulations can be (and already have been) passed that establish protections, fair wages, and decent working conditions in the public and private sectors without there being any need for unions.

It's not just that unions can go too far. It's that security clauses should be illegal nation-wide. It's that unions should not be required to represent, legally protect, or benefit with any collective bargaining provisions any person who does not pay dues, and on the other side of the coin, no person should be required to pay any sort of dues if they don't want anything to do with a union. These are very simple things to change with legislation and regulation by tax-funded labor boards that already exist across the country.

Then you can also peg certain public sector work's compensation to the median income in that area. Easy solutions. Unions don't want solutions. Solutions eliminate the (perceived) need for their existence.
 
Trump Presidency Could Kill Labor Unions





God let's hope so. I enjoy watching the collective pants-wetting from the poor, poor coercive American labor cartel. Serves them right for so incessantly and blatantly lying to their membership for so many years about how Democrats are so wonderfully anti-free trade. The union mentality is so self-defeating, it's really sad.

The anti-union rant that comes from those out in the populace today comes from those young enough, or uneducated enough, or dumb enough, not to realize that before union agitation and struggle, American (and other workers around the world) lived a grim life of 70 hour work weeks, subsistence pay, no benefits, no safety regulations, no security of any kind, and lived at the whim of overlord bosses.

As said segment of the population also tends not to read, at least not much beyond Batman, Superman, the National Enquirer, or Fox News, then they also do not know that such rights are being rolled back big time today, as the desires of the most affluent, technological change, and shifting political winds propel society backwards to the time of Jack London, Upton Sinclair, and Charles Dickens.

This segment also does not know that unions were instrumental in creating the middle class society that we have become used to, one that is now eroding away, and in no small measure due to the vacuous and uniformed ejaculations like the one in this OP. They have bought the kool aid on offer, the idea that their betters live in the upper reaches of the business community, and that wealth will trickle down to them in a magical fashion, or better yet, they can join the fortunate ones, they just have to try a bit harder. Nirvana is around the corner. Trust us.

It is really nothing short of amazing to see some of the slower members of society pick up on the self serving themes tossed to them by the rentier class, and then repeat them, parrot like, even though they are in effect, pissing on themselves (don't let government mess with my medicare!)

Today union membership is at all time lows in America, and wealth disparity, low wages, anti-workers legislation, the working poor, and rage among the working class is at highs not seen in generations. But what the heck. Unions are a cartel.....and the rentier class are job creators....and what else.....the tooth fairy?
 
Trump Presidency Could Kill Labor Unions





God let's hope so. I enjoy watching the collective pants-wetting from the poor, poor coercive American labor cartel. Serves them right for so incessantly and blatantly lying to their membership for so many years about how Democrats are so wonderfully anti-free trade. The union mentality is so self-defeating, it's really sad.
Many forces came together to kill the unions, but Trump (if he does as you claim) will only be the coup de grace.

Going after private sector unions is the wrong focus; it's public service unions that are the growing problem, not the working men and women of private industry that have taken a beating for decades!
 
The anti-union rant that comes from those out in the populace today comes from those young enough, or uneducated enough, or dumb enough, not to realize that before union agitation and struggle,

Didn't take long for you to get off base. First of all, unionism is strongly supported by millennials, though not for good reason. Millennials are screwed by a system of seniority preference, pro-defined benefit pensions, tenure, and other sweet little things reserved for older workers with long histories of and loyalty to their unions. Young people aren't stupid because they don't support unions. They're stupid because, statistically, they do support unions despite virtually no logical reason to do so.

American (and other workers around the world) lived a grim life of 70 hour work weeks, subsistence pay, no benefits, no safety regulations, no security of any kind, and lived at the whim of overlord bosses.

Most unionism is public sector. No "overlord bosses" there. Secondly, those things have been resolved by actual laws and regulations, not collective bargaining agreements.

As said segment of the population also tends not to read, at least not much beyond Batman, Superman, the National Enquirer,

What segment is that, again? You're spouting garbage. Dismissed.

This segment

Which segment?

also does not know that unions were instrumental in creating the middle class society

No they weren't. They leeched off of one of history's most booming economies. They continue to leech even though it's no longer booming.

that we have become used to, one that is now eroding away, and in no small measure due to the vacuous and uniformed ejaculations like the one in this OP.

The OP was an uber-left-wing source of online opinion.

Today union membership is at all time lows in America,

Not in the public sector, where it doesn't even belong in the first place.

Unions are a cartel

That is correct.
 
Many forces came together to kill the unions, but Trump (if he does as you claim) will only be the coup de grace.

Going after private sector unions is the wrong focus; it's public service unions that are the growing problem, not the working men and women of private industry that have taken a beating for decades!

I agree, public unions are the problem.
 
...it's public service unions that are the growing problem, not the working men and women of private industry that have taken a beating for decades!

I agree, public unions are the problem.

I have a question and then a couple of points.

Question: How are public unions "the problem?"

I've heard this a lot but have yet to see how people rationalize this effectively. :confused:

You do realize that public service employees are there because citizens demand the services they provide, right? That public service employees have to deal with large number's of (insert mental/emotional states here) member's of that "public" every single day...often hearing how each and everyone one of them "pays your salary."

So since elected officials hear the "people don't want to pay their salary," the agencies are often greatly under-staffed and heavily over-worked in order to show government austerity. Because of course it is a truism that they are over-paid and under-worked. :roll:

My sister used to be a Family Services Social Worker in NYC some years ago, when the recommended case load was 15 active cases. She typically had 40 or more. After a while she got burned out trying to meet the unrealistic requirements and decided it was better to be a Heavy Equipment Crane operator. Good pay and significantly less stress if you can believe it. Those offices are still critically understaffed.

Don't even get me started on being a Public Defender.

But what do people seek most in the employment arena? IMO regardless of public or private sector it is job security.

People want to find a job that they are good at and like doing, that pays a good wage with opportunity for periodic raises and a possibility of advancement, and then keep it until they can retire. Unions work toward that.

Private sector unions used to be able to fight for that, which created that large blue collar middle class we hear so much about declining.

Public sector unions simply followed that model and still exist because unlike the private sector which exploited all those nifty Free Trade Agreements to shift industry and labor overseas, Society still needs public services which have to stay locally. (Unless you want your concerns handled by a call center rep. in India, Indonesia, The Philippines or wherever?)

So, you need public service, hell...you demand the best service; but as usual you don't want to pay for it.

So tell me, really what's the problem with unionized public services?
 
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Many forces came together to kill the unions, but Trump (if he does as you claim) will only be the coup de grace.

Going after private sector unions is the wrong focus; it's public service unions that are the growing problem, not the working men and women of private industry that have taken a beating for decades!

The private sector unions will take care of themselves. Labor rates get too high and they will go out of business. But the unions do keep the bosses in check. I support unions in private industry.
You are right there is nothing to keep the government unions in check. They just keep raising taxes or increasing the things we are taxed on. It is time for another Boston tea party but it needs to start in the Potomac this time.
 
At one point in history, unions were a good thing. Everyone agrees on that.

However, as our society changed and more and more laws were written to protect employees (child labor, maximum hours per workweek, etc.), unions have become less and less necessary. Unions have become just as corrupt and dishonest as the thugs on Capitol Hill that have their pockets lined with union dollars. Regardless of whatever benefits unions provide, people still hold the personal, and individual right to walk away from a job, and pursue a better one. Enough people do that, then the employer has no choice but to alter their pay scales, or whatever is causing it to lose workers. These are the checks and balances between an employer and employee.

I know a lot of union employees. Sure...they might know a specific trade. So specific, that they're virtually useless in any other trade. One guy I know can build the hell out of a building, but he's as dumb as a bag of hammers when it comes to even the most simple of office skills (basic typing, use of a computer, college-level reading, etc.). Meanwhile, the more successful people I know have been able to market themselves to a higher pay wage, due to learning skills that serve a broader scope of work. Would a union help them? Nope. Unions like their members nice and dumb. ...and dependent on the very union that pretends to "help" them.
 
I have a question and then a couple of points.

Question: How are public unions "the problem?"

I've heard this a lot but have yet to see how people rationalize this effectively. :confused:

FDR characterized the problem effectively. To take it a little further, they assert monopoly power, and they're asserting it within a broader public sector which already has natural monopoly power, and "against" public sector managers who answer to other public sector managers who answer to elected legislatures who then answer to the people that pay all of the former's compensation. And even then, the public generally is not kept well informed of what goes on in collective bargaining. The layers of separation between the voting public and the beneficiaries of overly generous union privileges are too significant for bargaining to occur in good faith. Further, unions spend heavily on elections, using money often taken very sneakily from their members (even though PAC dues are optional, union employees are kept ill-informed about it). So they essentially pay to install their own "opponents" on the other side of the bargaining tables.

Unions are especially problematic in states where security clauses are legal. Union constitutions and bylaws prohibit their members from exercising their rights under the NLRA (such as pushing for a deauthorization vote), and then if anyone tries to exercise their rights in that way, they're accused of subverting the union and thus they may be considered not in good standing and the union can demand the public employer fire the employee for such "offense" as exercising his or her rights under the NLRA to decertify or deauthorize a union.

You do realize that public service employees are there because citizens demand the services they provide, right?

Yes, however that has nothing to do with whether unions should exist.

My sister used to be a Family Services Social Worker in NYC some years ago, when the recommended case load was 15 active cases. She typically had 40 or more. After a while she got burned out trying to meet the unrealistic requirements and decided it was better to be a Heavy Equipment Crane operator. Good pay and significantly less stress if you can believe it. Those offices are still critically understaffed.

The legislature makes the budget and spends on the spending priorities. If society wants changes in what money is spent where, that can happen, and it does. There is no need for a labor cartel to be involved.

Private sector unions used to be able to fight for that, which created that large blue collar middle class we hear so much about declining. Public sector unions simply followed that model and still exist because unlike the private sector which exploited all those nifty Free Trade Agreements to shift industry and labor overseas, Society still needs public services which have to stay locally.

The public sector has natural monopoly power, which provides protection for the union to assert its own coercive monopoly power within the natural monopoly environment of the public sector. You've just pointed to the very problem with public sector unions. There cannot be adequate balance to collective bargaining in the public sector.

So, you need public service, hell...you demand the best service; but as usual you don't want to pay for it.

It doesn't matter that people whine and don't want to pay for anything. That's everywhere. Entitled people everywhere want everything in exchange for paying nothing. Nothing new there. But in the public sector, they do pay for it, they will pay for it, because government says so, and if they don't like it, write their legislator. They can't shop elsewhere. They're forced to pay taxes and utility rates. Required. Natural monopoly power. Government has price-making power in the form of taxes and rates and fees. People have to fork it over. Labor cartels are given privileges to do things that are otherwise illegal pursuant to anti-trust acts, all because Clayton bewilderingly, baselessly and arbitrarily declared labor to somehow not be an article of commerce.

Labor is an article of commerce. Clayton should be repealed and replaced with a modernized anti-trust act that knee-caps monopoly privileges of all kinds, both in the corporate arena (e.g. overly generous copyright, patent, and other laws), as well as says that, in fact yes, labor is too an article of commerce, and cartel behavior with respect to labor is just as illegal as cartel behavior with respect to selling any other thing.

I'm happy to clarify any of the points above. The original purpose, goal and desire of unions was 1) intended for private sector abusers, 2) resolved by laws and regulations, and 3) can be further accomplished by laws and regulations without any continuing need for labor cartels.
 
At one point in history, unions were a good thing. Everyone agrees on that.

Mmmmm, not everyone.

The private sector unions will take care of themselves. Labor rates get too high and they will go out of business. But the unions do keep the bosses in check. I support unions in private industry.

Not effectively or significantly. Unionism is a very minority share of all private sector work. And if Clayton (Antitrust Act) hadn't randomly and arbitrarily declared labor to not be an example of commerce, they wouldn't be legal in the private sector (or anywhere). Why is Clayton correct that labor isn't an article of commerce? Why should labor unions be exempt from antitrust laws?

You are right there is nothing to keep the government unions in check.

Theoretically there could be, but it would require ordinary voters and citizens 1) getting involved in their local politics and putting major pressure on their councils/assemblies to pass ordinances keeping unions in check, limiting pay increases to what's comparable and relative to median income, keeping benefit costs in check, limiting labor unions' ability to drag the community into arbitration, 2) obtaining and distributing copies of collective bargaining agreements to the community so that people are aware what public union employees are getting, 3) putting major pressure on state legislators to stop catering to unions and start vocalizing opposition to pro-union legislators, 4) lobbying, organizing and voting against union-funded politicians, 5) distributing information to public union employees about how to exercise their NLRA rights to deauthorize and/or decertify their unions, 6) distributing information to public union employees that their PAC dues are voluntary and to stop paying them, 7) putting pressure on the federal government to make Right To Work national, and/or to modernize antitrust regulations to keep unions in check, and on and on it could go.

The people have to care about what public unions are doing. Far too often, they don't. They don't care and they tell themselves unions exist to fight corporate greed. They will continue saying this no matter how tiny the percentage of private sector work is unionized or how much of the public sector is unioinized, they will keep telling themselves unions combat corporate greed.
 
The backbone of the white working class is more screwed than ever?

And these masochists voted Trump thinking he'd bring them jobs and save the economy from globalist evil.
 
...they assert monopoly power, and they're asserting it within a broader public sector which already has natural monopoly power, and "against" public sector managers who answer to other public sector managers who answer to elected legislatures who then answer to the people that pay all of the former's compensation.

Not even close. The only power any union has is the ability to strike. That tool is only effective as a last ditch option, and only as long as the vast majority of employees are in the Union.

The fact that they exert collective bargaining power is ALWAYS a plus for both members and fair-share employees. Arguing that individuals have any real bargaining power is disingenuous. You see anyone below management level able to negotiate starting salaries at Target, Wal-Mart, or Best Buy? :roll:

The difference with Public Service jobs is their salaries are determined by the negotiated contract. Of course, if you eliminate that you allow the State to manipulate wages at will. As with any other job, the individual is at the total mercy of management since wages become flexible and the employee is easily replaceable.

I refer you to your own prior post:

...Then you can also peg certain public sector work's compensation to the median income in that area. Easy solutions.

Yep, that's the ticket. A variable salary for the same work depending on where you live in the State at the whim of the government pegged to "median income in THAT area."

And even then, the public generally is not kept well informed of what goes on in collective bargaining.

Here is a point I will concede as a problem with Union leadership. They often act like communist central committees, refusing to keep their own members informed, expecting them to accept and follow orders like drones. They also don't seem to consider the public response to some demands that even rank and file members don't agree with. Very irritating, something which needs to be corrected within all big union organizations.

Unions are especially problematic in states where security clauses are legal. Union constitutions and bylaws prohibit their members from exercising their rights under the NLRA (such as pushing for a deauthorization vote), and then if anyone tries to exercise their rights in that way, they're accused of subverting the union and thus they may be considered not in good standing and the union can demand the public employer fire the employee for such "offense" as exercising his or her rights under the NLRA to decertify or deauthorize a union.

Hmmm, no I don't think so, at least not in the public service arena unless their particular State Legislatures have allowed this by law. Easily changeable by an activist voting population though. :shrug:


The public sector has natural monopoly power, which provides protection for the union to assert its own coercive monopoly power within the natural monopoly environment of the public sector. You've just pointed to the very problem with public sector unions. There cannot be adequate balance to collective bargaining in the public sector.

Already addressed with the power to strike response. Which is not as great as people seem to think since the Union has to have 90% or more backing otherwise "scabs" crossing the line will defeat the strike every time. :shrug:

...But in the public sector, they do pay for it, they will pay for it, because government says so, and if they don't like it, write their legislator. They can't shop elsewhere. They're forced to pay taxes and utility rates. Required. Natural monopoly power.

(Sigh) Again, the tax and spend power rest in the State legislatures. They set the budget which determines how many State employees will be funded each year. Contracts allow for lay-offs, the only difference is the protection of seniority. If you don't want to pay for this or that service, you vote your guys in, and those services are cut. Good luck with that because whenever that happens the people still bitch at the lack of services. No one wants to pay, but they all want to play.

I'm happy to clarify any of the points above. The original purpose, goal and desire of unions was 1) intended for private sector abusers, 2) resolved by laws and regulations, and 3) can be further accomplished by laws and regulations without any continuing need for labor cartels.

NO! The original purpose of unions in whatever sector has always been to protect the worker and get labor a fair share of the pie. Public sector employees don't stop being labor just because they work in public jobs.
 
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Not even close. The only power any union has is the ability to strike. That tool is only effective as a last ditch option, and only as long as the vast majority of employees are in the Union.

Labor laws in my state suggest no such thing is true.

Arguing that individuals have any real bargaining power is disingenuous.

No it isn't. Bargaining power derives from the willingness of each to say "no deal" and walk away.

You see anyone below management level able to negotiate starting salaries at Target, Wal-Mart, or Best Buy? :roll:

No, but you've hand-chosen the least skilled jobs in all of society.

The difference with Public Service jobs is their salaries are determined by the negotiated contract.

That's not the difference, and public union employees often aren't salaried, more often hourly wage workers.

Of course, if you eliminate that you allow the State to manipulate wages at will. As with any other job, the individual is at the total mercy of management since wages become flexible and the employee is easily replaceable.

Turnover can be problematic, especially in the areas of the public sector where unionism predominantly dwells, so no, they are not necessarily "easily replaceable," and so the public sector has to pay what will retain employees they need to provide those services. Next, pass a law and regulation that establishes adequacy in pay relative to the position and pegged to the local median income. No need for a union.

Yep, that's the ticket. A variable salary for the same work depending on where you live in the State at the whim of the government pegged to "median income in THAT area."

It is the ticket, actually.

Here is a point I will concede as a problem with Union leadership. They often act like communist central committees, refusing to keep their own members informed, expecting them to accept and follow orders like drones. They also don't seem to consider the public response to some demands that even rank and file members don't agree with. Very irritating, something which needs to be corrected within all big union organizations.

Appreciate the concession, and your intent to be reasonable. Forgive me if I seem less so, but I probably will seem less so. Question though. How is this problem that you identify "to be corrected?" Any thoughts on how we could do that?

Hmmm, no I don't think so, at least not in the public service arena unless their particular State Legislatures have allowed this by law.

I live in Alaska, security clauses are legal and rampant in the public sector here, and take the IBEW for example, and read its constitution. Start at page 71. Then google IBEW collective bargaining agreements in the state of Alaska and skip down to their security clauses.

Unions do demand public sector employers fire employees who are in bad standing (most commonly for paying dues), but any other offenses listed in that link are offenses that would put a member in bad standing, and then those

Already addressed with the power to strike response.

Certain "class 1" employees are prohibited by state law from striking and instead entitled to binding interest arbitration if they don't get what they want. The rest can strike. But this isn't their only power. They have power over other would-be sellers of labor in that they can coerce them to join the union (as financial core members, at least) if they want to sell that labor to the public employer. That is coercive monopoly power. Forced to join, forced to pay dues. They are also enabled by state and federal laws to force public employers to negotiate with them in the first place. Public employers can't expedite the process or they're accused of Boulwarism and have to spend heavily on legal defense of "unfair labor practices." So they have to waste considerable resources going through time-consuming and inefficient charades of closed-door negotiations.

(Sigh) Again, the tax and spend power rest in the State legislatures. They set the budget which determines how many State employees will be funded each year. Contracts allow for lay-offs, the only difference is the protection of seniority. If you don't want to pay for this or that service, you vote your guys in, and those services are cut. Good luck with that because whenever that happens the people still bitch at the lack of services. No one wants to pay, but they all want to play.

If I'm government, the whining from people who want everything top notch and for free is a minor annoyance, because I wield taxing power, so they can whine all they want, I still demand they pay, and they will pay.
 
I completely agree that anybody saying Hillary actually opposed the TPP was full of crap. Trump lured those people out with promises of protectionism. I'm not quite as happy as you to see these people in the rust belt get bent over the table by a man that has been a millionaire since he came out of the womb.
Those people have getting bent over anyway. I think they just decided that it was time for a different brand of lubricant.
 
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