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Republicans keep ignoring the Russian Connection

joG said:
That was attempted by three Presidents and supported by most of the foreign policy professionals in the US as well as by most European governments and the EU. It proved futile.

Now, I can build a scenario that could result in a positive outcome. But it would not hinge and Putin changing his stripes.
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What Presidents are you referring to and what specific policies were conducted in good faith, or the cessation of policies that should have been stopped? Did we even stop growing NATO?
 
Fishking said:
What Presidents are you referring to and what specific policies were conducted in good faith, or the cessation of policies that should have been stopped? Did we even stop growing NATO?
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Russia could have associated with Nato quite closely and increasingly so to become a power within it eventually as it could have moved closer to the EU and become an associated nation. When I was in Moscow and Sochi between 1991 and 1994 I talked about this with many Russians. Unisono the answer was that Nato was an enemy and that the EU could become part of Russia. Nato expansion is a stupid excuse that Putin likes to bring up for the politically ignorant.
 
truthatallcost said:
The MSM keeps mentioning 'hundreds of fake news stories' that supposedly made the rounds and contributed to their candidate's failure. Yet they never give 1 specific example of a 'fake news story' that the Russians were supposedly behind .

Why is that? If there's 'hundreds' of them, it shouldn't be too hard for our pro-HRC MSM to find one damn story to give us as an example!

Right now, its the American media that's appearing 'faked'.
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Here ya go


https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Byj_1ybuSGp_NmYtRF95VTJTeUk/view
 
jamesrage said:
What lib-tards view Trump as is irrelevant to the fact the mainstream is supposed to be impartial.
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If the MSM is being impartial re Trump, Nazis and Russians, they they are not doing their job.
 
joG said:
Russia could have associated with Nato quite closely and increasingly so to become a power within it eventually as it could have moved closer to the EU and become an associated nation. When I was in Moscow and Sochi between 1991 and 1994 I talked about this with many Russians. Unisono the answer was that Nato was an enemy and that the EU could become part of Russia. Nato expansion is a stupid excuse that Putin likes to bring up for the politically ignorant.
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Ah...I see. So a specifically anti-Russian alliance, which never stopped being used as such, should have been cosied up to by Russia. That totally makes sense /sarcasm.
 
Fishking said:
Ah...I see. So a specifically anti-Russian alliance, which never stopped being used as such, should have been cosied up to by Russia. That totally makes sense /sarcasm.
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You must have missed something in the aftermath of 1989. There was no "anti-Russian alliance". Nobody was very much interested in poor old Russia in that kindcof way.
 
calamity said:
If the MSM is being impartial re Trump, Nazis and Russians, they they are not doing their job.
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The mainstream media claims to be impartial.Therefore being impartial is their job.Trying to tie fringe loonies to Trump in order to fraudulently paint Trump as a racist is not being impartial. Ignoring Trump's opponent's scandals,downplaying Trump's opponent's scandals, or only giving token mentions of Trump's opponent's scandals while laying into Trump is not being impartial. The mainstream media's job is not to manipulate people into supporting one candidate over another.
 
joG said:
You must have missed something in the aftermath of 1989. There was no "anti-Russian alliance". Nobody was very much interested in poor old Russia in that kindcof way.
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Nope. I didn't miss anything. NATO was and always has been an anti-Russian alliance. The only thing that happened was we declared ourselves the winners and then proceeded to ignore and marginalize the interests of Russia.
 
Fishking said:
Nope. I didn't miss anything. NATO was and always has been an anti-Russian alliance. The only thing that happened was we declared ourselves the winners and then proceeded to ignore and marginalize the interests of Russia.
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Yep. You missed it. And it was a rather lengthy and widely recognized debate in full view.
 
calamity said:
Yep. Zerohedge has always been known as the site idiots go to for their news.

I guess the best part of all this is knowing who all the gullible idiots are on my facebook and twitter feeds and in forums like this one. And, boy. There sure a lot of them.
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I never trust Facebook posts that claim to be news. I'm also skeptical about whether clickbait ads played any role whatsoever here.

It looks to me like this is more of a case of the media trying desperately to figure out why their push to get HRC elected failed. They're just looking for people to blame. So far it's been rednecks, racists, & Russians.
 
jamesrage said:
The mainstream media claims to be impartial.Therefore being impartial is their job.Trying to tie fringe loonies to Trump in order to fraudulently paint Trump as a racist is not being impartial. Ignoring Trump's opponent's scandals,downplaying Trump's opponent's scandals, or only giving token mentions of Trump's opponent's scandals while laying into Trump is not being impartial. The mainstream media's job is not to manipulate people into supporting one candidate over another.
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Actually the MSM cut Trump a lot of slack while bashing Hillary relentlessly.
 
truthatallcost said:
I never trust Facebook posts that claim to be news. I'm also skeptical about whether clickbait ads played any role whatsoever here.

It looks to me like this is more of a case of the media trying desperately to figure out why their push to get HRC elected failed. They're just looking for people to blame. So far it's been rednecks, racists, & Russians.
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They're not that far off base.
 
TurtleDude said:
what's interesting is your posts where you know say you are happy that Hillary didn't win and you couldn't come around to supporting her with this sort of conspiracy nonsense. Looks like you are trying to play both sides of the fence here
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LOL "conspiracy nonsense" that was confirmed by both US intelligence and an official Russian source.
 
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