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DONALD TRUMP vs OBAMA on Tyrant Fidel Castro’s Death

Sweden said:
A truly excellent post MaggieD.

For many decades Cuba was heavily subsidised by the Soviet Union which bought its sugar at a multiple of several times the world market price. Once the Soviet empire collapsed Cuba has had to face the consequences of Marxist dogma - poverty and backwardness. The left tries to pretend that the blame lies with the US 'embargo' or the even more mythical 'blockade'; in reality the Cubans have always been free to trade with every other country in the world. Ships and aircraft come and go perfectly freely.

The supposedly 'excellent' Cuban education consists of basic literacy followed by unrelieved Communist propaganda. Their vaunted healthcare is so bad that Castro had to go to Venezuela for his diverticular disease operation.

The likes of Obama and Trudeau should be ashamed of themselves for heaping praise on a squalid dictator.
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you are posting a lie. Obama never praised Castro. I posted Obamas statement for you but you still get it wrong.
 
I always wonder what Cuba would have looked like had Castro chosen sides differently. My guess, probably better. Just like South Korea vs. North Korea. West Germany vs. East Germany. You get the picture.
 
WI Crippler said:
I always wonder what Cuba would have looked like had Castro chosen sides differently. My guess, probably better. Just like South Korea vs. North Korea. West Germany vs. East Germany. You get the picture.
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Cuba is a hispanic country and hispanic countries dont do well at all...ever.
 
WI Crippler said:
I always wonder what Cuba would have looked like had Castro chosen sides differently. My guess, probably better. Just like South Korea vs. North Korea. West Germany vs. East Germany. You get the picture.
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In that vein, I've always wondered how differently things would be had Jimmy Carter embraced the Sandinistas when he had the chance. He did not support the revolution there because he was likely instructed not to support it, and that drove Ortega and the others to the communist side.

Shoulda, coulda, woulda....
 
Thoreau72 said:
Considering the decades of CIA efforts to kill the man, all failures, and the control the CIA has had over western media for all those years, the way americans perceive Castro is completely a view constructed by the CIA.

This "horrible man" made it so that healthcare in Cuba is legendary, good for every Cuban walking the island. Would we "capitalists" could achieve half that.
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I have yet to see any evidence that the CIA made even one attempt on Castro's life. Some idle suggestions on how he might be killed, yes, actual operations, no.

The idea that the CIA "controlled the Western media" belongs among the nuttiest conspiracy theories.

Cuban healthcare is so bad that Castro had to go to Venezuela for an operation that would be routine here in capitalist Sweden. You are sadly mistaken Thoreau.
 
Sweden said:
I have yet to see any evidence that the CIA made even one attempt on Castro's life. Some idle suggestions on how he might be killed, yes, actual operations, no.

The idea that the CIA "controlled the Western media" belongs among the nuttiest conspiracy theories.

Cuban healthcare is so bad that Castro had to go to Venezuela for an operation that would be routine here in capitalist Sweden. You are sadly mistaken Thoreau.
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You've missed much, across the pond in Sweden. I've lived in South Florida for most of my life, and was a youngster when the Cuban Crisis took place. I know and love many Cubans. That you are unaware of CIA influence is perfectly normal and predictable.
 
Thoreau72 said:
You've missed much, across the pond in Sweden. I've lived in South Florida for most of my life, and was a youngster when the Cuban Crisis took place. I know and love many Cubans. That you are unaware of CIA influence is perfectly normal and predictable.
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While you were living in South Florida Thoreau I have been living in other places in the West - like Sweden, the UK, France, Switzerland and so on. If you think the CIA control the media in all these place you are - how can I put this politely? - mistaken.

The first two Cubans I met were rescued by my Royal Navy ship, HMS Dainty, on Bahamas patrol in 1966. They were in a small boat, out of food and with very little water, fleeing from Castro's dictatorship. The memory endures.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Americans have lost a myth.

Since little Jackie Kennedy got his nuts caught in a wringer over missiles in Turkey and the "stand off" with the US Navy, US presidents have gone out of their way to demonize Castro. I find it hilarious that now Putin is a good guy, and Castro, even in death, stirs fears enough to rant about "tyrant" and "dictator"
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Talk to any Cuban that lives outside the US they demonize him as well. in fact they can't stand him. They are celebrating his death but not in the way you think.

My Country told Kennedy and co to '**** off" and has continued to trade with Cuba along with Mexico. We are good friends, many of us have vacationed there, I would chose their worst hotel over anything in the US.
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LOL :lamo is really all you can do with this statement.

So as Americans get manipulated into a hate fest with no substance, notice that Canada takes this moment to note the good qualities of a fallen leader, solider and Cuban.
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You really can't speak for all Canadians. it has nothing to do with hate but fact. Castro was a brutal dictator that killed thousands of innocent people. His communistic
policy has kept thousands of people in poverty. PS there is a huge difference in being a tourist there and living there. I know people that have lived there most of their life.
They would say that you have no clue what you are talking about. I couldn't fathom the crap those people lived in and still continue to do so.

As far as I'm concerned the on-going mini-war with Cuba convinces me that Americans are sheep and can be convinced of anything by a two bit huckster carnival barker.
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we just have facts you not so much.

I will continue to vacation in Cuba, they are much more friendly than Americans, virtually no crime rate and pose no threat whatsoever to North American security.
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LOL there might be little crime in the tourist areas, but a guy I worked with would say again you don't know what you are talking about.
where someone will stab you over a bicycle.

What fascinates me is how easy it is, one guy known to lie says "Cuba bad" and 35 million lemmings fall right into line like lost sheep
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Cuba isn't bad. castro on the other hand very much so. his brother and his minions that still run the country and brutalize the people very much so.
 
Sweden said:
While you were living in South Florida Thoreau I have been living in other places in the West - like Sweden, the UK, France, Switzerland and so on. If you think the CIA control the media in all these place you are - how can I put this politely? - mistaken.

The first two Cubans I met were rescued by my Royal Navy ship, HMS Dainty, on Bahamas patrol in 1966. They were in a small boat, out of food and with very little water, fleeing from Castro's dictatorship. The memory endures.
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If YOU think that the CIA does not have strong influence in the western media, then you have apparently never listened to Jesse Ventura's stories about CIA influence in the Minnesota state government when he was government. Indeed, there are many details regarding the agency and its influence about which you are uninformed. But that's OK my friend, you are not the Lone Ranger. :mrgreen:
 
"I would chose their worst hotel over anything in the US."





given the poor state of tourism in Cuba this statement really is no more than trolling
 
katzgar said:
"I would chose their worst hotel over anything in the US."





given the poor state of tourism in Cuba this statement really is no more than trolling
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Are you replying to me?
 
Thoreau72 said:
Considering the decades of CIA efforts to kill the man, all failures, and the control the CIA has had over western media for all those years, the way americans perceive Castro is completely a view constructed by the CIA.

This "horrible man" made it so that healthcare in Cuba is legendary, good for every Cuban walking the island. Would we "capitalists" could achieve half that.
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That's the post of the month. And you are right. The people of Cuba today have far more complaints against the United States than the reverse. The embargo is contrary to international law. Americans forget what you posted, and they forget the Bay of Pigs where the CIA trained insurgents to invade and wreak havoc....terrorism.

I find it hilarious and stupid, the giant United States, the world's only super power is **** scared of a tiny little Island in the Caribbean that has virtually no resources to hurt the US. In the meantime EVERY administration since Nixon have been kissing Chinese ass to get a piece of that market, and every one of those administrations ignored the severest human rights violations known to man.
Remember that picture of the kid standing in front of a line of tanks in Tienaman square? Ever wonder what happened to him when the cameras got shut off? Actually, not much, but they tortured his entire family to death while he watched...he was kept alive so others would know.

If the US wants to be the world's morality police, then it has to be employed equally. The US attitude toward Cuba is that of a senior high school bully picking on a grade one, while playing nice with woman haters in Saudi Arabia, Putin's war against his political rivals and on.

It's been a huge ****ing lie for so long I doubt they have any idea of how to stop it
 
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Trump can't possibly be blamed here.
His statement was written by the ghost of Meyer Lansky.:2razz:
 
Mac77 said:
Castro freely choose to ally himself with the USSR against America.

That earned the hate of all patriotic Ameticans beyond the cibans in miami.
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That reason maybe gets us to 1991....what about the last 25 years?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
That reason maybe gets us to 1991....what about the last 25 years?
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Castro never stopped being an enemy of the United States

And cuba is still a repressive communist regime

When the old dictator "allowed" obama to normalize relations with him castro conceded nothing in return
 
Mac77 said:
Castro never stopped being an enemy of the United States

And cuba is still a repressive communist regime

When the old dictator "allowed" obama to normalize relations with him castro conceded nothing in return
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People can have what ever government they want so long as they dont threaten us, and once the Soviets were gone our major reason for pissing all over the Cubans was gone. Then Cuba slid far down the economic hole as a direct result of the chaotic collapse of the CCCP.....we could have ridden in on our White Horses and cut a deal with Fidel.

I was apposed to Cuban policy at least by Clinton, I cant remember exactly, but a long time.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
People can have what ever government they want so long as they dont threaten us,

and once the Soviets were gone our major reason for pissing all over the Cubans was gone. Then Cuba slid far down the economic hole as a direct result of the chaotic collapse of the CCCP.....we could have ridden in on our White Horses and cut a deal with Fidel.

I was apposed to Cuban policy at least by Clinton, I cant remember exactly, but a long time.
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And if we dont like their government we dont have to do business with them
 
Mac77 said:
There was no blocade of cuba exceot during a few weeks of the Cuban Missle Crisis
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So we did not run around to all of our friends and convince many to help us punish Cuba for defying us then......
 
Banning business or flights wasn't a blockade? Strictly speaking it was an embargo, but the sense in which he was using it is the same.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
So we did not run around to all of our friends and convince many to help us punish Cuba for defying us then......
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During the Cold War perhaps.

But not recently and certainly not by the time obama groveled to castro
 
Fearandloathing said:
Americans have lost a myth.

Since little Jackie Kennedy got his nuts caught in a wringer over missiles in Turkey and the "stand off" with the US Navy, US presidents have gone out of their way to demonize Castro. I find it hilarious that now Putin is a good guy, and Castro, even in death, stirs fears enough to rant about "tyrant" and "dictator"

My Country told Kennedy and co to '**** off" and has continued to trade with Cuba along with Mexico. We are good friends, many of us have vacationed there, I would chose their worst hotel over anything in the US.

So as Americans get manipulated into a hate fest with no substance, notice that Canada takes this moment to note the good qualities of a fallen leader, solider and Cuban.

Fidel Castro was 'larger than life,' says Justin Trudeau - Politics - CBC News

As far as I'm concerned the on-going mini-war with Cuba convinces me that Americans are sheep and can be convinced of anything by a two bit huckster carnival barker.

I will continue to vacation in Cuba, they are much more friendly than Americans, virtually no crime rate and pose no threat whatsoever to North American security.

What fascinates me is how easy it is, one guy known to lie says "Cuba bad" and 35 million lemmings fall right into line like lost sheep
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Or maybe you are the one drinking the Kool-Aid and trying to give us a sip and we are refusing.
No country on earth has fought more communists than the USA.
We know them better than you.
and we KNOW their Kool-Aid is poison.
 
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