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Prove that Trump grabbed someone's *****.

Kal'Stang said:
What is evident is that these women did not "come out" until it actually could have affected the election. It is evident that the Clinton Campaign was rife with lies and straight out attempts to slander Trump and make him seem far worse than he actually was. There simply is no reason to believe these women. Considering how Hillary conducted her campaign its far more believable that these women were paid. It of course doesn't help them when one of the women were proven to have lied.
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Using Trump's words isn't slander. Face it, you don't want to believe these women. That is being emotional. You actually speculate that these women were paid to come forward without one shred of this proof that you demand.

This is why sexual assault is such a vile crime. Women are victimized repeatedly. To come forward invites automatic, unwarranted attacks on their character. They have to defend every person they have been intimate with. They have to defend their wardrobe. They have to defend their use of alcohol. It's all bull****. Institutionally, the woman has to defend whether she was asking for it or not. They answer is always "no".

It's sad and sickening that people treat women like this still. But I'm sure you believe Trump when he says, "No one respects women more than I do." That's cognitive dissonance.
 
TurtleDude said:
sorry-that's not proof. He was mocking the reporter but NOT because of a disability

case closed, the Hillary propaganda is rejected. there is no proof that the disability was what caused Trump to mock him. So when the Hillary whores on CNN claim he mocked the reporter WITH A DISABILITY they are technically truthful but where the dishonesty comes in is the suggestion that the TRUMP criticism was based on the man's disability rather than his lies or convenient forgetfulness
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I laughed out loud at this. :lol:

So if Donald comes out in blackface, sticking out his lips, and sporting an afro, as long as he attacks Obama for being left-handed it's not racist?

Sorry, that is a weak argument.
 
TurtleDude said:
really-you apparently haven't read ANY of the discussion

he did the same thing to CRUZ and to a less extent, some general
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I would like to see video of that.
 
Middleground said:
He said, "You can grab them by the *****."

BUT BUT BUT How does HE know that? How does he know that grabbing them by the ***** works? Did he read it in a book? From a movie? Off a bathroom wall?

HOW DOES HE KNOW THAT FACT?
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CAUSE HE PROBABLY GRABBED SOME LADY BY THE *****. Probably more than one.

So what?

Maybe understand that some women are attracted to money and power above all else and so the word "billionaire" does something for 'em.

Welcome to exactly the point he was making, in private.

I make no estimate or supposition about the demographics of that group. But to pretend they don't exist and they don't find their way fawningly into the company of men with money and power is willful ignorance.
 
Kal'Stang said:
So, that's the reason that you believe Trump assaulted those women. It's personal. Not because of evidence. But because of what happened to your sister. Your experience with your sister has tainted how you are looking at this. I feel for your sister. But feelings should not overrule facts. I understand however that feelings often do. For that reason I see no reason to continue our conversation for this particular topic. Lets just agree to disagree.
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Kal ,I believe it is not about her sister ,it is really a global problem of women
 
Kal'Stang said:
It's not just the timing that makes this suspicious. It is also the fact that Hillary's campaign has factually been proven to have done underhanded things. Like colluding to make sure that Bernie was not allowed to win the primaries. Like sending people to Trumps rally's for the specific purpose of causing violent troubles. Those two things alone is enough to put doubt on anything that even slightly would have helped Hillary's campaign. But that isn't the only thing that puts doubt on these women's claim. It is also the fact that two women have come out from that pageant that have disputed the claims by the other pageant women. And a few other things. But those 3 alone, along with the timing of these claims, that cast doubt on all of it.

Maybe if Hillary had run a clean campaign I'd be more inclined to believe that Trump did these things. But she didn't. As a result there is doubt. Valid doubt.
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Hillary didn't force Trump to say the things he has said. She didn't invent this scandal. Sure, politics is dirty business. So is real estate. They are both slimy.

Your cognitive dissonance has you injecting Hillary into a he said-she said situation that she wasn't even a part of. For you to assume Hillary's dishonesty automatically discredits all women who don't say glowing things about Donald is a problem.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Changing font size does nothing for your argument.
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I realize that. Only thing is, I cannot make it any bigger, nor bolder nor bright fluorescent nor blinking. :roll:

What part of "DONALD SAID HE DID" do you not understand? HE SAID IT. HE. THE DONALD. NOT ANY CONTESTANT, HE DID. The hilarity of it all is that here you are, defending Trump, by poo-pooing his own words. Seriously, you cannot make that **** up. :lamo

I know that this is fruitless, but hell, I'm a sucker for punishment. Here's the transcript of what he actually said on Howard Stern, and I'm not even quoting the part where he brags about ****ing some of the contestants.

“Well, what you could also say is that, as the owner of the pageant, it’s your obligation to do that,” Trump said, before discussing how he got away with going backstage when the contestants were naked.

“Well, I’ll tell you the funniest is that before a show, I’ll go backstage and everyone’s getting dressed, and everything else, and you know, no men are anywhere, and I’m allowed to go in because I’m the owner of the pageant and therefore I’m inspecting it,” Trump said. “You know, I’m inspecting because I want to make sure that everything is good.”

“You know, the dresses. ‘Is everyone okay?’ You know, they’re standing there with no clothes. ‘Is everybody okay?’ And you see these incredible looking women, and so, I sort of get away with things like that. But no, I’ve been very good,” he added.
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There an old saying that you might want to take heed:

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck it is a duck. And by golly, his name is Donald. ;)
 
JayDubya said:
CAUSE HE PROBABLY GRABBED SOME LADY BY THE *****. Probably more than one.

So what?
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I guess sexual assault is not a crime to you.

Maybe understand that some women are attracted to money and power above all else and so the word "billionaire" does something for 'em.

Welcome to exactly the point he was making, in private.
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Cool. And who says victimizing the victim is fiction, anyways?

I make no estimate or supposition about the demographics of that group.
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Mmmmmm ya kinda did there.

But to pretend they don't exist and they don't find their way fawningly into the company of men with money and power is willful ignorance.
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I never pretended gold-diggers don't exist, nor do I understand why you would ever think so. :confused:
 
Middleground said:
I guess sexual assault is not a crime to you.
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If you grab someone sexually who wants to be grabbed sexually, that is not sexual assault and it is not a crime.
 
JayDubya said:
If you grab someone sexually who wants to be grabbed sexually, that is not sexual assault and it is not a crime.
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Graffias had compared rape to chocolate cake..No,grabbing a cake is never like eating that
 
Middleground said:
Mmmmmm k'ay. whatever makes you feel better.
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facts do-emotononsense about Trump makes me feel good too because it shows how desperate the Hillary herd has become
 
Thorgasm said:
I laughed out loud at this. :lol:

So if Donald comes out in blackface, sticking out his lips, and sporting an afro, as long as he attacks Obama for being left-handed it's not racist?

Sorry, that is a weak argument.
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the stupidity coming from your side on this is getting worse and worse. I want you to explain how waving your arms while talking about someone forgetting something is mocking someone's disability that causes him NOT to be able to move his arms
 
Middleground said:
No ****, Sherlock.
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Then "no ****" back at you, Moriarty.

His comments were him bragging that he could give such attention and have it be well received.

Whether that's blowhard braggadocio or it actually happened, that's still not talking about sexual assault.
 
Thorgasm said:
Hillary didn't force Trump to say the things he has said. She didn't invent this scandal. Sure, politics is dirty business. So is real estate. They are both slimy.

Your cognitive dissonance has you injecting Hillary into a he said-she said situation that she wasn't even a part of. For you to assume Hillary's dishonesty automatically discredits all women who don't say glowing things about Donald is a problem.
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She may not have invented what Trump said. But I'm sure she capitalized on it in every way possible.
 
Medusa said:
Kal ,I believe it is not about her sister ,it is really a global problem of women
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I know this. But it is also well known that women will often say things against men that are not true. And visa versa.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Except that he didn't say that he actually gabbed some woman's *****. Context is important. Listen to the whole audio for context and what people are claiming is NOT what actually happened.
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What difference would it make? If women come forward then you will call them liars. If witnesses speak up you will claim they are politically motivated attacks. Heck, if there was a sex tape, you would probably claim it was doctored. It is unlikely there is any evidence you would accept. A better question is why you feel anyone has to prove anything. This is only an issue because he said it. He is responsible for the suspicions.
 
Thorgasm said:
Using Trump's words isn't slander. Face it, you don't want to believe these women. That is being emotional. You actually speculate that these women were paid to come forward without one shred of this proof that you demand.

This is why sexual assault is such a vile crime. Women are victimized repeatedly. To come forward invites automatic, unwarranted attacks on their character. They have to defend every person they have been intimate with. They have to defend their wardrobe. They have to defend their use of alcohol. It's all bull****. Institutionally, the woman has to defend whether she was asking for it or not. They answer is always "no".

It's sad and sickening that people treat women like this still. But I'm sure you believe Trump when he says, "No one respects women more than I do." That's cognitive dissonance.
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Using Trumps words isn't slander....so long as it is kept with in context. And that is the problem here. Many are taking his words out of context. Should I name a few of the things that Trump said that was taken out of context? Or will you admit that has been done?

And yes, my speculation about those women and the Hillary campaign are just that speculation. With the exception of those in the Miss Universe pageant. There is evidence that they did lie.

And I LOVE how this is all about the women being victimized and "unwarranted attacks on their character". Tell me, does the same not apply in reverse also? These women are attacking Trump with no proof. You don't need proof to believe them. But you need proof from Trump that he didn't do what they said? Do you realize how lopsided that is?
 
I have no doubt that trump has grabbed Marla, Milania, and Ivana by the *****. And possibly also his daughters.


And his sons as well.
 
Middleground said:
I realize that. Only thing is, I cannot make it any bigger, nor bolder nor bright fluorescent nor blinking. :roll:

What part of "DONALD SAID HE DID" do you not understand? HE SAID IT. HE. THE DONALD. NOT ANY CONTESTANT, HE DID. The hilarity of it all is that here you are, defending Trump, by poo-pooing his own words. Seriously, you cannot make that **** up. :lamo

I know that this is fruitless, but hell, I'm a sucker for punishment. Here's the transcript of what he actually said on Howard Stern, and I'm not even quoting the part where he brags about ****ing some of the contestants.



There an old saying that you might want to take heed:

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck it is a duck. And by golly, his name is Donald. ;)
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Interesting. So again, you believe the women who say that he actually did just walk in on them while completely ignoring the fact that there are women that say that he didn't actually walk in on them. All while knowing that Trump often brags about stuff in exaggerated ways. How does that work again?
 
CriticalThought said:
What difference would it make? If women come forward then you will call them liars. If witnesses speak up you will claim they are politically motivated attacks. Heck, if there was a sex tape, you would probably claim it was doctored. It is unlikely there is any evidence you would accept. A better question is why you feel anyone has to prove anything. This is only an issue because he said it. He is responsible for the suspicions.
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:yawn:
 
Kal'Stang said:
Interesting. So again, you believe the women who say that he actually did just walk in on them while completely ignoring the fact that there are women that say that he didn't actually walk in on them. All while knowing that Trump often brags about stuff in exaggerated ways. How does that work again?
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My gawd.


The light is on, but nobody is home. :doh


Let's take the women out of the equation just for a sec here.


Trump said he did. He bragged about it. You calling him a liar?
 
Sietske22 said:
I have no doubt that trump has grabbed Marla, Milania, and Ivana by the *****. And possibly also his daughters.


And his sons as well.
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That made me laugh. Nice to have some fun amongst the stupidity.
 
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