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Prove that Trump grabbed someone's *****.

DiAnna said:
No, let's not... not while you imply that I'm some kind of hateful person who believes Trump (and by rote, any other man) is automatically guilty by association. I simply explained why women who have been assaulted choose not to continue their ordeal by reporting it. This post was beneath you.

I believe the dozen or so women who came out after Trump denied doing any of the things he was recorded saying that he'd done because they had absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose. I also believe the women because in nearly all cases they had reported the incident to their friends and family, seeking advice on what to do, and in nearly all instances were told that Trump had the power and willingness to destroy their lives if they accused him. I believe the women because journalists investigating the charges were able to talk to those people in whom the women confided, 6, 8, 10, 15 and even 20 years ago, and they confirmed it. I believe the women because I've watched Trump for over four decades, bragging on the radio, tv, in magazines and newspaper interviews about cheating on his wives, about being able to have any woman he wants, and they all want him to "be aggressive with them" sexually.

That is why I believe the women. But you know all that, and still want "proof"... as in video showing him performing each and every assault he has committed. That's part of the problem with society's reaction to woman who have been harassed and abused. There's almost never a handy video of such assaults because....sexual assault is NOT a spectator sport. All these women have is their word. And as you've proven, their word isn't good enough.

NOW my part of this distasteful conversation is over. Have a nice evening.
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:applaud
 
TurtleDude said:
its the same with the Hillary fluffers who claim Trump was mocking that reporter who has a disabled arm when that was complete nonsense too. But the hillary faithful scream it is so even though its obviously wrong
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Who was he mocking then?
 
This blind worship of President-Elect Trump is eliciting some rather mortifying denials of reality.
 
Middleground said:
Who was he mocking then?
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He was making fun of people who suffered convenient bouts of amnesia. he did the same thing to Cruz. There is no evidence he even knew that guy was disabled and waving his arms is not aping someone who has a frozen hand.
 
Absentglare said:
This blind worship of President-Elect Trump is eliciting some rather mortifying denials of reality.
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The butt hurt whining of Hillary fans is leading to assertions that have no basis in fact
 
TurtleDude said:
He was making fun of people who suffered convenient bouts of amnesia. he did the same thing to Cruz. There is no evidence he even knew that guy was disabled and waving his arms is not aping someone who has a frozen hand.
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He was talking specifically about a reporter.... try again. :lol:
 
TurtleDude said:
He was making fun of people who suffered convenient bouts of amnesia. he did the same thing to Cruz. There is no evidence he even knew that guy was disabled and waving his arms is not aping someone who has a frozen hand.
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Such an anal excuse is below even your standard.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Such an anal excuse is below even your standard.
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It's surreal to me to see people make excuses for their chosen President even when the evidence cannot be interpreted any other way. Crazy to think people can be so easily brainwashed and void of common sense.
 
TurtleDude said:
The butt hurt whining of Hillary fans is leading to assertions that have no basis in fact
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I'm seeing a lot of it from Sanders and Stein fans--a little buyer's remorse.

I'm also seeing the Woodstock syndrome with trump .
 
TurtleDude said:
The butt hurt whining of Hillary fans is leading to assertions that have no basis in fact
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Trump is pushing Putin for SoS. It's a payback for hacking the electronic voting machines. Assange will be head of the NSA. Trump's giving Comey an island. (Bimini, but WTH - it's an island, anyway. He didn't do that much). Facts.
 
humbolt said:
Trump is pushing Putin for SoS. It's a payback for hacking the electronic voting machines. Assange will be head of the NSA. Trump's giving Comey an island. (Bimini, but WTH - it's an island, anyway. He didn't do that much). Facts.
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WTF? you must mean someone other than Putin who is the Russian leader
 
NIMBY said:
I'm seeing a lot of it from Sanders and Stein fans--a little buyer's remorse.

I'm also seeing the Woodstock syndrome with trump .
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Woodstock syndrome-he's doing acid while fornicating naked in the mud?
 
Middleground said:
After a while it becomes evident. Take Bill Cosby. I think about 10 more so have come out and said they were assaulted by Trump. I also have the ability to understand why they did not come forward right away. Seems to be a typical pattern of "he said, she said," and women generally think they will not be believed. Case in point: you. And, it's the norm. Really, how does a woman prove she was violated? Heck a student was caught raping a girl by a dumpster and still beat the rap! Is it any wonder women are reluctant?

In regard to Trump, however, the good news is he has admitted it openly a few times on tape. Still, that is not enough for some. They actually have to catch them -- red handed -- grabbing a ***** and even to that I am not convinced it would sway those who do not have any common sense.
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What is evident is that these women did not "come out" until it actually could have affected the election. It is evident that the Clinton Campaign was rife with lies and straight out attempts to slander Trump and make him seem far worse than he actually was. There simply is no reason to believe these women. Considering how Hillary conducted her campaign its far more believable that these women were paid. It of course doesn't help them when one of the women were proven to have lied.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Such an anal excuse is below even your standard.
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Its fun watching a foreigner so enamored with Clinton. Disability discrimination was one of my several areas of legal expertise. And you are completely wrong.
 
Middleground said:
You are forgetting that he admitted to walking into the dressing rooms of beauty pageants. Even the Miss Teen parent, for ****s sake. He boasted about it... that he had the power to do so because he was The Donald. He's a sick pervert.
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You also seem to forget that one of the women who claimed that he actually did this was refuted by another woman that was there.
 
Middleground said:
He was talking specifically about a reporter.... try again. :lol:
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You should try again-I noted a dozen times that Trump treated the reporter the same as another non-disabled person who had "amnesia"

if you treat a disabled person the same as an abled person then its pretty obvious the disability has no role in the motivation
 
TurtleDude said:
WTF? you must mean someone other than Putin who is the Russian leader
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Nah man. Putin himself. I was just kidding. I think we've both seen plenty of posts here along those lines though. If anybody's running from reality around here, it's the Hillary sycophants.
 
TurtleDude said:
Woodstock syndrome-he's doing acid while fornicating naked in the mud?
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That more boomers said they attended in later years than actually did.

Just as more people are saying they voted for trump than actually did.

The broken mirror of the Obama coalition is history.

It was the reverse coattails of the incumbent GOP Senators that won it for trump.

Priebus was underestimated by the DEMs and undervalued by the GOPs .
 
DiAnna said:
No, let's not... not while you imply that I'm some kind of hateful person who believes Trump (and by rote, any other man) is automatically guilty by association. I simply explained why women who have been assaulted choose not to continue their ordeal by reporting it. This post was beneath you.
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Sorry, never claimed that. But you certainly are predisposed to believing the woman calling rape over the man. For an understandable reason. That is not the same as being hateful and believing guilt by association. People can easily be predisposed towards something overall and then later on change their mind based on evidence for particular instances but the overall predisposition will still be there.

I'm not trying to be offensive Di. I'm just calling it like I am seeing it. I've seen the same thing happen over and over and over. Even in myself at times. That is why I actively try and gain Facts. To try and counter that.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Sorry, never claimed that. But you certainly are predisposed to believing the woman calling rape over the man. For an understandable reason. That is not the same as being hateful and believing guilt by association. People can easily be predisposed towards something overall and then later on change their mind based on evidence for particular instances but the overall predisposition will still be there.

I'm not trying to be offensive Di. I'm just calling it like I am seeing it. I've seen the same thing happen over and over and over. Even in myself at times. That is why I actively try and gain Facts. To try and counter that.
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So why is it that you chose only to reply to my first paragraph, and ignore all the legitimate, documented, source-verified evidence of why I actually did believe them? Instead you double down by repeating the lie... yes, lie... that I am "predisposed" toward believing the woman because my sister was raped. Seriously, how dare you?? I have expressed plenty of skepticism about many rape cases in the news over the years, because although false rape charges are relatively rare, they sure do exist. Ask a bunch of innocent frat boys falsely accused by a couple of exotic dancers.

At this point, I'm so damned angry and insulted that I really won't respond to you again.
 
DiAnna said:
So why is it that you chose only to reply to my first paragraph, and ignore all the legitimate, documented, source-verified evidence of why I actually did believe them? Instead you double down by repeating the lie... yes, lie... that I am "predisposed" toward believing the woman because my sister was raped. Seriously, how dare you?? I have expressed plenty of skepticism about many rape cases in the news over the years, because although false rape charges are relatively rare, they sure do exist. Ask a bunch of innocent frat boys falsely accused by a couple of exotic dancers.

At this point, I'm so damned angry and insulted that I really won't respond to you again.
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I didn't respond to it because I've already stated that arguing with you about this subject is not going to accomplish anything. Like I said before, we're simply going to have to agree to disagree on it.

Respond or not. Makes no difference to me. My posts were stated reasonably and without malice. Take from them what you will.
 
Kal'Stang said:
What is evident is that these women did not "come out" until it actually could have affected the election. It is evident that the Clinton Campaign was rife with lies and straight out attempts to slander Trump and make him seem far worse than he actually was. There simply is no reason to believe these women. Considering how Hillary conducted her campaign its far more believable that these women were paid. It of course doesn't help them when one of the women were proven to have lied.
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:doh :doh :doh


He walked into a dressing room where teen girls were naked. He bragged about it. It's on tape. You okay with that, or are you going to deny common sense and reality once again?
 
Kal'Stang said:
You also seem to forget that one of the women who claimed that he actually did this was refuted by another woman that was there.
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Oh for **** sake....

DONALD SAID HE DID

Is that enough or shall I make the text bold and red?
 
I guess in a court of law we couldn't convict Trump of anything, even if he said he did it, because there would have to be material evidence. His lawyer could easily say he was lying or just talking big.

But in the court of social opinion it's pretty obvious he's a womanizing dirt bag who enjoys bragging about it. Typical narcissistic, high-chair tyrant behavior.

Not that a lot of men in the high rolling world of corporate execs are that different.
 
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