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No, Trump, we can't just get along

LowDown said:
Before you reject Trump you should at least inform yourself with an accurate view of what he's like. He is nothing like what you are ranting about.

You guys built this horrible straw man out of the lies, exaggerations, and distortions told about Trump during the campaign, and now that he won it has scared you to death; you're afraid that the big bad monster of your imagination is coming to get you.

Racist? He is looking to hire blacks, Indians, and Asians for his staff.

Sexist? He has accomplished women already hired for his staff.

Homophobic? He hired an openly gay man to head up part of his transition.

During the campaign he reached out for support from all races. He is continuing to do that. He has rejected and condemned alt-right and other such groups.

As far as promoting hate, other than pushing back on people critical of him I don't know what the hell you're talking about.

And I wasn't even a supporter of his.

Trump is this horrible, divisive figure, and yet you guys defended Hillary when she called half of the country deplorable and irredeemable. Talk about fanning the flames of hatred and class division! Does that make her, too, an unforgivable demagogue that you will not sit down with?

But go ahead, marginalize yourselves. That would suit the rest of us just fine. You've all gone crazy.
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I take no joy in the Democrats marginalizing themselves. To fire an incompetent elected official, you have to hire their opponent. Having a treasonous Democrat party blocks the voter from firing an incompetent Republican.
 
TheGoverness said:
I say it was due to the SJW ****.
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And Dem identity politics - which played a large factor in their losing the election. (though the largest factor was HRC, herself)
 
SDET said:
I take no joy in the Democrats marginalizing themselves. To fire an incompetent elected official, you have to hire their opponent. Having a treasonous Democrat party blocks the voter from firing an incompetent Republican.
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By no means are all Democrats being this thick headed.
 
Bassman said:
Sore loser.
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reinoe said:
The sorest. McCain and Romney supporters weren't like this.
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:roll:

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Loser nation :usflag2: USA! USA! USA!
 
Utility Man said:
Loser nation :usflag2: USA! USA! USA!
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Why don't you move to Cuba, you pile of horse dung?

This song says what I think of your loser nation BS:

 
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reinoe said:
1. He could have been a better pilot as McCain was a notorious slouch who ****ed off in school but got to where he was because of his dad. He crashed multiple planes because he was a notoriously awful pilot.

2. The one's Mexico --->sends here<---...

i.e. not the ones who fled Mexican gang violence, not the ones who come here for a better opportunity, not the ones who actually want to contribute. You know the ones where Mexico empties their prisons because they're running out of space.
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I noticed you didn't address point n°3, any reason for that ?
 
Utility Man said:
:roll:

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Loser nation :usflag2: USA! USA! USA!
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I swear, the easiest way to make an argument against Trump is to simply use his own words. He's a virtual walking encyclopedia of hypocrisy!
 
Chomsky said:
1] POWs
2] Mexicans
3] Muslims

Just a start.
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1] POWs (yet some supported Trump)
2] Mexicans (you did mean the illegal ones in the US)
3] Muslims (You mean the ones that are not citizens and who want to enter this country?



I find you post very dishonest or maybe it is just the way you think. There is a difference between being an illegal in the US and a legal immigrant who is now a US citizen. there is a difference between a US citizen who is a Muslim and those seeking entry into the US legally or illegally.

just a start.:mrgreen:
 
Is this the same NYT that made it very clear that they would oppose
Trump at every turn. They they would take an active interest in
do what they could to see that Hillary was elected.
But a funny thing happened along the way. An election!

Maybe when they start to embrace the SPJ Code of Ethics I might
have some faith that what they are printing means something. But
for now they are nothing but a partisan hack publication.




SPJ Code of Ethics
SPJ Code of Ethics | Society of Professional Journalists | Improving and protecting journalism since 1909

Members of the Society of Professional Journalists believe that public enlightenment is the forerunner of justice and the foundation of democracy. Ethical journalism strives to ensure the free exchange of information that is accurate, fair and thorough. An ethical journalist acts with integrity.

The Society declares these four principles as the foundation of ethical journalism and encourages their use in its practice by all people in all media.

Seek Truth and
Report It

Minimize Harm

Act Independently

Be Accountable and Transparent
 
mike2810 said:
1] POWs (yet some supported Trump)
2] Mexicans (you did mean the illegal ones in the US)
3] Muslims (You mean the ones that are not citizens and who want to enter this country?



I find you post very dishonest or maybe it is just the way you think. There is a difference between being an illegal in the US and a legal immigrant who is now a US citizen. there is a difference between a US citizen who is a Muslim and those seeking entry into the US legally or illegally.

just a start.:mrgreen:
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Expounded upon in post #34. (for those unwilling or unable to figure it out)
 
Chomsky said:
Expounded upon in post #34.
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Thanks for not address my post directly.

Seems you must believe all minorities and Muslims are the same. It must not matter to you if they are citizens of the US or not.

I figured it out. You seem to read things into statements much more than other people.:lamo
 
SDET said:
Why don't you move to Cuba, you pile of horse dung?

This song says what I think of your loser nation BS:

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Hush now baby baby don't you cry........



Trump's gonna make all of your nightmares come true
Trump's gonna put all of his fears into you
Trumps's gonna keep you right here under his wing
He won't let you fly but he might let you sing
Trump's gonna keep baby cozy and warm.......
 
Your sources of "facts" are:

1. A newspaper that has publicly acknowledged its' unacceptable liberal bias regarding its reporting on presidential candidates and the election. This coverage was so biased, so filled with lies and so undeniable, that the NYT has apologized for its dishonesty and lack of journalistic integrity.
2. An unabashed liberal website, BuzzFeed, with no journalistic intergrity, whose only purpose is to promote misguided social initiatives based on dishonesty, lies and deception. An "ends justify the means" attitude regarding anything posted to its website.
3. A liberal magazine, Newsweek

Thus, IMO, your post offers no facts, so there is nothing to debate with regards to factual matters.

Your hatred of Donald Trump is rabid and emotional but based on no personal experience with the man. I expect your hatred extends to all people and things "conservative" and/or republican and/or disagrees with your opinion. I have no doubt that you have an "absolute obligation" to your hatred and will never stop serving its requirements for the "spitting of venom" on a regular basis. You are obviously deeply committed to your worst emotional instincts and, for that, you have my sympathy. Without reasonable levels of emotional balance and control it is not really possible to make the transition from child to adult.
 
Utility Man said:
Hush now baby baby don't you cry........



Trump's gonna make all of your nightmares come true
Trump's gonna put all of his fears into you
Trumps's gonna keep you right here under his wing
He won't let you fly but he might let you sing
Trump's gonna keep baby cozy and warm.......
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SDET said:
Why don't you move to Cuba, you pile of horse dung?

This song says what I think of your loser nation BS:

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What makes you think it is better to act like a sore winner?
 
TheGoverness said:
Trump certainly didn't do a thing to help the division, that's for sure.

But I still believe we can work with him.
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Again, it's not just division when he is talking of a registry and scrapping H1 B1 visa programs. If you're not affected by policies he hasn't backed away from, then it is easy to chalk it up to people being a sore loser or not willing to see past divisive rhetoric. Some people actually have concerns.
 
Absentglare said:
What makes you think it is better to act like a sore winner?
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Irrespective who won the election, if someone runs down this country, they should get out. Again, I didn't vote for Trump.
 
SheWolf said:
As The Times reported, Trump actually seemed to soften some of his positions:

He seemed to indicate that he wouldn’t seek to prosecute Hillary Clinton. But he should never have said that he was going to do that in the first place.

He seemed to indicate that he wouldn’t encourage the military to use torture. But he should never have said that he would do that in the first place.

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I feel exactly the same as the writer. Everything he said, word for word, I identify with, and I agree with the writer, we have an absolute obligation to meet Trump's agenda with resistance at every turn.
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As an American you have an obligation to at least look for places where you can work with our President.

If you refuse then you are behaving poorly.
 
SheWolf said:
The Muslim registry really bothers me, and it does personally affects me. He hasn't gone back on that, yet. He has also mentioned revoking H1 B1 visas, because they are taking American jobs. That's another thing that affects me and people I know. (H1 B1 people are legally here.)

Furthermore, I think he has no integrity. As the author says, I believe he wanted the office for self aggrandizement and self enrichment. He also played into racism, scapegoated foreign people for the economic woes of many voters, and even played into the violence at his rallies. His statements towards the Khan family was disgusting, as were his statements on his judges Mexican heritage.

If you want to give him a chance, you can, but I can't. His conduct and rhetoric is unacceptable.
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I believe he has said he was going to crack down on abuse of those visas, not revoke anything.

Are you abusing the visa?

Why do you try to twist reality?

It doesn't make you look good here.
 
reinoe said:
The sorest. McCain and Romney supporters weren't like this.
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Sure they were even Rush Limbaugh hoped Obama would fail and other GOP members vowed to fight Obama at every turn.
 
Praxas said:
Sure they were even Rush Limbaugh hoped Obama would fail and other GOP members vowed to fight Obama at every turn.
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Obama is a lazy prick who puts himself before the nation and works poorly with others.

Trump is the opposite.

Plus, the nation continued to decline over the last 8 years.....we have no choice but to find a way to work together to get some work done.
 
countryboy said:
And yet, the left still whines and snivels about "the party of no". Buncha damn hypocrites.
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I liked your post because your sentiment is basically correct with respect to the editorial to which you were replying. It makes some correct observations (quite few, IMO), but it goes too far to say no way, no how will we work with Trump. I'm about as left as they come, but there are a few things (trade agreements) on which I agree with Trump's position. Let's at least work with him on that, and maybe in doing so both sides can start talking to each other again. Small hope, but there it is.
 
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