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LowDown

LowDown

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Believing themselves to be On The Right Side of History, progressives have been losing a lot of elections lately. The hubris that has led them to these disasters originates in the Left’s certainty of their own moral and intellectual superiority. The Left is essentially totalitarian, and does not believe that it should have to prove its claims in open debate. The bias of the media, and the progressive consensus that dominates academia, means that the college-educated young liberal has likely never encountered a conservative antagonist whom he was required to take seriously.
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Raised up in echo chambers, progs can't understand that their own ignorance is the basic problem, that their politics is a form of prejudice, a set of unexamined assumptions about how the world works and unrealistic ideas about how the world could or should work.

Progs have failed, and it looks like they are never going to ask themselves why they failed.
 
Oh lord, what cesspool did you get "progs" from now, Lowdown? It sounds like you're arguing against a synthetic robot race from another planet rather than the usual "anyone not as conservative as me."
 
LowDown said:
Raised up in echo chambers, progs can't understand that their own ignorance is the basic problem, that their politics is a form of prejudice, a set of unexamined assumptions about how the world works and unrealistic ideas about how the world could or should work.

Progs have failed, and it looks like they are never going to ask themselves why they failed.
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Absolutely agree LowDown.

I've spent a tremendous amount of time looking into this thing called Progressivism. I've researched most of the players, read annual reports when available from all the shell organizations the Progressive elites launder money through. It's all about gullibility and control.

The minions who have sworn allegiance to the alters of the dangerous men and women behind the movement will never ask themselves why they failed, because such instructions will never come from the leadership to do so.
 
We have had this conversation on the flip side, as in when Romney lost and Republicans came up with the "Growth and Opportunity Project." That was laughed out of existence by the right wing blowhards to the point that party splinter allowed Trump to win out against all other establishment Republican candidates during the primary.

You say "Progs have failed," I say establishment across the board has failed. Trump beat out establishment Republican intentions, and Hillary lost because of insider establishment Democratic shenanigans that pushed Sanders out of the picture.

The good news is both establishments are being challenged, the bad news is we have to make a bit of a mess before cleaning all this up.
 
LowDown said:
Raised up in echo chambers, progs can't understand that their own ignorance is the basic problem, that their politics is a form of prejudice, a set of unexamined assumptions about how the world works and unrealistic ideas about how the world could or should work.

Progs have failed, and it looks like they are never going to ask themselves why they failed.
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Yet another thread on "what is wrong with the democrats".

Pretty strange write-ups seeing that 40% or more eligible voters did not vote, huh.
 
LowDown said:
Raised up in echo chambers, progs can't understand that their own ignorance is the basic problem, that their politics is a form of prejudice, a set of unexamined assumptions about how the world works and unrealistic ideas about how the world could or should work.

Progs have failed, and it looks like they are never going to ask themselves why they failed.
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Lets see
1- Dems gain US Senate seats
2- Dems gain US House seats
3- Almost two million more people vote for the Dem candidate for Prez than the GOP candidate

some recipe for failure you have there. :doh:roll:
 
CMPancake said:
Oh lord, what cesspool did you get "progs" from now, Lowdown? It sounds like you're arguing against a synthetic robot race from another planet rather than the usual "anyone not as conservative as me."
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You do realize that is not an argument, its not even a very good deflection.
 
haymarket said:
Lets see
1- Dems gain US Senate seats
2- Dems gain US House seats
3- Almost two million more people vote for the Dem candidate for Prez than the GOP candidate

some recipe for failure you have there. :doh:roll:
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reality:

republicans won congress and the presidency.
 
OrphanSlug said:
We have had this conversation on the flip side, as in when Romney lost and Republicans came up with the "Growth and Opportunity Project." That was laughed out of existence by the right wing blowhards to the point that party splinter allowed Trump to win out against all other establishment Republican candidates during the primary.

You say "Progs have failed," I say establishment across the board has failed. Trump beat out establishment Republican intentions, and Hillary lost because of insider establishment Democratic shenanigans that pushed Sanders out of the picture.

The good news is both establishments are being challenged, the bad news is we have to make a bit of a mess before cleaning all this up.
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I will have to compliment you on making about the most cogent argument I have yet seen you make on the topic.

Most times I find you just flat dead wrong... but here, hat tip.
 
11Bravo said:
reality:

republicans won congress and the presidency.
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That is also true. Progress means moving forward. And progress is NOT failure.
 
Bob N said:
Yet another thread on "what is wrong with the democrats".

Pretty strange write-ups seeing that 40% or more eligible voters did not vote, huh.
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And based on what does that help you make any argument?

What Lowdown says is undeniable. What he didn't say is that many , if not most, Republicans, upon arrival in DC, become progressives-lite with the Janus headed establishment controlling both sides.

It must be something in the water there in DC, probably tainted with the kool-ade.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
And based on what does that help you make any argument?

What Lowdown says is undeniable. What he didn't say is that many , if not most, Republicans, upon arrival in DC, become progressives-lite with the Janus headed establishment controlling both sides.

It must be something in the water there in DC, probably tainted with the kool-ade.
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40-45% of the people didn't vote and that doesn't change the equation? No. I disagree. :2no4:
 
Bob N said:
Yet another thread on "what is wrong with the democrats".

Pretty strange write-ups seeing that 40% or more eligible voters did not vote, huh.
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Correction: 46% did not vote
 
LowDown said:
Raised up in echo chambers, progs can't understand that their own ignorance is the basic problem, that their politics is a form of prejudice, a set of unexamined assumptions about how the world works and unrealistic ideas about how the world could or should work.

Progs have failed, and it looks like they are never going to ask themselves why they failed.
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As already pointed out, progressives have not "failed". They have gained seats in some places and lost some in others. The failure will be on the new administration if they don't learn from the past. People are sick and tired of the infighting and division. Now the Republicans have no scape goat, so if they cannot unite this nation, they will suffer the same fate as the Dems did and in 2018 and 2020 things will flip yet again. Hillary lost because of her perceived corruption and the Dems obvious preferred treatment of her. The Republicans winning does not indicate a mandate in the least with the country divided pretty evenly and especially since Hillary won the popular vote. Now of course that doesn't mean the Republicans shouldn't govern, they have every right to. But if they determine that winning the election means that everything swings extreme right, they will end up losing in 2018 and 2020.

Trump and his administration have a LOT of promises that they are going to have to keep now and I hope I am proven wrong, but I don't think he and congress will be able to deliver. And now that the Republicans control congress and the presidency, they have NO ONE to blame if it fails or they don't keep their promises except themselves. Good luck.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
And based on what does that help you make any argument?

What Lowdown says is undeniable. What he didn't say is that many , if not most, Republicans, upon arrival in DC, become progressives-lite with the Janus headed establishment controlling both sides.

It must be something in the water there in DC, probably tainted with the kool-ade.
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Lobbyists and the internal Party agenda, happens almost every time in DC.
 
Casper said:
Lobbyists and the internal Party agenda, happens almost every time in DC.
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Yes, and one party could not control its base and they elected an outsider who may, and I am quite hopeful, will do some severe damage to the establishments of both sides.

The general public is now onto the establishments of both sides, which in reality, at its core, is the same group with the money and the lobbyists. This cat is out of the bag, the cows are out of the barn, toothpaste is out of the tube. We simply, thankfully, cannot go back.

Which is absolutely wonderful and portends at least a chance for America.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
Have you stopped and reflected on WHY that might have happened? Apparently not, just put the blindfold back on, put er in gear and floor it, eh?
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Funny. I was thinking the very same thing when January rolls around. ;)
 
Praxas said:
As already pointed out, progressives have not "failed". They have gained seats in some places and lost some in others.
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You make it sound like it has been a wash. This could not be further from the truth. No party has ever been as vanquished to as little control as the Democrats currently are, in the entire history of the country.

Since 2008, the Democrats have lost an absolutely unprecedented ~1200 net seats nationwide.

That is CATASTROPHIC failure, my friend. Denial of it won't help you gain any of it back.
 
Harshaw said:
You make it sound like it has been a wash. This could not be further from the truth. No party has ever been as vanquished to as little control as the Democrats currently are, in the entire history of the country.
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Again, gaining control doesn't mean a mandate especially when the votes were close.

Since 2008, the Democrats have lost an absolutely unprecedented ~1200 net seats nationwide.

That is CATASTROPHIC failure, my friend. Denial of it won't help you gain any of it back.
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Keep telling yourself that, just like the Republicans were dead in 2008 huh? Whatever helps you sleep at night. If you have your head in the sand so bad that you can't see things are cyclical, no one can help you.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
Yes, and one party could not control its base and they elected an outsider who may, and I am quite hopeful, will do some severe damage to the establishments of both sides.

The general public is now onto the establishments of both sides, which in reality, at its core, is the same group with the money and the lobbyists. This cat is out of the bag, the cows are out of the barn, toothpaste is out of the tube. We simply, thankfully, cannot go back.

Which is absolutely wonderful and portends at least a chance for America.
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We shall see, I do not see trump in the same light as you, and while he may turn out to be a change for the better, he could also turn into a change for even worse.
 
Praxas said:
Again, gaining control doesn't mean a mandate especially when the votes were close.
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There are no "mandates." There is only power. And as of right now, Democrats have an historic lack of it.


Keep telling yourself that, just like the Republicans were dead in 2008 huh? Whatever helps you sleep at night. If you have your head in the sand so bad that you can't see things are cyclical, no one can help you.
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I didn't say the Democrats were dead. But they have been historically shellacked, unlike the story you're trying to peddle here, and if they continue along the path you're on, pretending nothing's wrong, that their message is "really" winning, it's going to be a long, tough, miserable road back.

:shrug: No skin off me if you're loath to receive the lesson, though. You keep doin' what you're doin'.
 
OrphanSlug said:
We have had this conversation on the flip side, as in when Romney lost and Republicans came up with the "Growth and Opportunity Project." That was laughed out of existence by the right wing blowhards to the point that party splinter allowed Trump to win out against all other establishment Republican candidates during the primary.

You say "Progs have failed," I say establishment across the board has failed. Trump beat out establishment Republican intentions, and Hillary lost because of insider establishment Democratic shenanigans that pushed Sanders out of the picture.

The good news is both establishments are being challenged, the bad news is we have to make a bit of a mess before cleaning all this up.
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Nope. It was not the establishment that failed. It was the citizenry. It is the same failure that brought on Obama.
 
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