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Bill Clinton Actually Gets It

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Ed Klein: Bill Clinton: It's Hillary's Fault, Not Comey's


Bill was actually the last president who actually did a good job. Granted, the Republican congress kind of forced him into it but at least he worked with them instead of being the party of no like Obama has done. If he would have kept his pants zipped up he would have had a better place in history. After leaving office though he did get caught up of the Clinton crime syndicate. Anyway, at least he understands why Hillary lost.
 
Moderate Right said:
Ed Klein: Bill Clinton: It's Hillary's Fault, Not Comey's
Bill was actually the last president who actually did a good job. Granted, the Republican congress kind of forced him into it but at least he worked with them instead of being the party of no like Obama has done. If he would have kept his pants zipped up he would have had a better place in history. After leaving office though he did get caught up of the Clinton crime syndicate. Anyway, at least he understands why Hillary lost.
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Interesting...though I'm beginning to hate unnamed sources.

I actually think President Obama might secretly, or not so secretly, agree that Hillary Clinton has herself to blame in many ways. The fact that Bill Clinton may have called her on it is no surprise. Can you imagine how it would feel, having been the most powerful man in the world as POTUS, to be sidelined by Hillary Clinton and her campaign managers? A bitter pill I'd say.

Yesterday, President Obama obliquely, or not so obliquely, blamed HC for not working hard enough...not getting on the ground enough in the states that mattered most. That's big. I think HC is toast in the arena. Her party counted on her to bring it on home. Instead of that, they lost BOTH chambers. They feel foolish. They blame her.

IMO, these are dark days for our country. Our young people haven taken to the streets without a clear understanding of exactly what it is they are protesting. They are looting and destroying and interrupting. They are being arrested in scores because they are breaking the law. And are showing us that their liberal educations are working...which will be to our country's detriment. They need ponies and cry rooms and special counseling, and class closures, and God knows what else to accept reality. And in many cases, they didn't even bother to vote. Bad paraphrase, "Give me one generation, and I will change the world."

"Suck it up, Buttercup." Yep. All of us. Because no mistake, right now? Our country is at virtual war.
 
Moderate Right said:
Ed Klein: Bill Clinton: It's Hillary's Fault, Not Comey's


Bill was actually the last president who actually did a good job. Granted, the Republican congress kind of forced him into it but at least he worked with them instead of being the party of no like Obama has done. If he would have kept his pants zipped up he would have had a better place in history. After leaving office though he did get caught up of the Clinton crime syndicate. Anyway, at least he understands why Hillary lost.
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I think Hillary and her subordinates hate white working class people so much that they'd rather lose than pay any attention to their concerns. To her those people were deplorable s***kickers, racist, sexist trash not worthy of any attention. Bill Clinton came from a poor, working class background. Hillary was born upper class. It really does sound like Bill knew what the problem with Hillary's campaign was all along.

According to one Democratic congressman the Democratic elite really does hate poor white people. Tell them that they should pay more attention to what poor white people want and you will draw only a shocked silence.
 
Ed Klein isn't even in the same solar system with the concept of "reliable source."
 
Bill Clinton does get it, though.


"it's the economy, stupid."
 
Moderate Right said:
Ed Klein: Bill Clinton: It's Hillary's Fault, Not Comey's


Bill was actually the last president who actually did a good job. Granted, the Republican congress kind of forced him into it but at least he worked with them instead of being the party of no like Obama has done. If he would have kept his pants zipped up he would have had a better place in history. After leaving office though he did get caught up of the Clinton crime syndicate. Anyway, at least he understands why Hillary lost.
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He allowed the bubble to build, whose consequences are still with us.
 
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Moderate Right said:
Ed Klein: Bill Clinton: It's Hillary's Fault, Not Comey's


Bill was actually the last president who actually did a good job. Granted, the Republican congress kind of forced him into it but at least he worked with them instead of being the party of no like Obama has done. If he would have kept his pants zipped up he would have had a better place in history. After leaving office though he did get caught up of the Clinton crime syndicate. Anyway, at least he understands why Hillary lost.
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Bill clinton was no better than bush and obama

His legacy includes nafta, gatt and free trade with china.
 
joG said:
What he allowed to happen, was a desasterous bubble to build.
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Yea, that balanced budget from his term really trashed the economy. Right.
 
I think the pro Hillary press actually backfired on her. All that commentary about how there's just no way Trump can win which was meant to convince the American public that they'd be silly and ignorant to even consider him, may have had an impact on those that didn't like Hillary but who also did not want to see Trump win. They may have been well convinced that Hillary had it in the bag anyway so they didn't vote. There's something poetic about that. There was also a guest on Glenn Beck's show (so take it FWIW) that said that Trump's victory was not a backlash against the "establishment" but against the media. Media losing cred is one of the positive outcomes of the election.
 
X Factor said:
I think the pro Hillary press actually backfired on her. All that commentary about how there's just no way Trump can win which was meant to convince the American public that they'd be silly and ignorant to even consider him, may have had an impact on those that didn't like Hillary but who also did not want to see Trump win. They may have been well convinced that Hillary had it in the bag anyway so they didn't vote. There's something poetic about that. There was also a guest on Glenn Beck's show (so take it FWIW) that said that Trump's victory was not a backlash against the "establishment" but against the media. Media losing cred is one of the positive outcomes of the election.
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Are you saying that ignorant liberals thought hillary would win in a landlide because the lying lib news media told them she will win?

So they made a protest vote for trump as a slap on the hand to crooked hillary?

I doubt if that happened but the mere tought of it is pretty funny
 
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Moderate Right said:
Ed Klein: Bill Clinton: It's Hillary's Fault, Not Comey's


Bill was actually the last president who actually did a good job. Granted, the Republican congress kind of forced him into it but at least he worked with them instead of being the party of no like Obama has done. If he would have kept his pants zipped up he would have had a better place in history. After leaving office though he did get caught up of the Clinton crime syndicate. Anyway, at least he understands why Hillary lost.
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I do not buy this article by Edward Klein either, nor your assessment of Bill Clinton.

For this campaign season, the article totally misses the point about how much better Trump did overall going anti-establishment in 2016 vs. than Romney did in 2012 going more the establishment route *and* how much worse Hillary did in 2016 in key urban heavy Democrat based districts than Obama did in those same districts in 2008 and 2012. The article spends almost no time talking about the former and while spending some time talking about the latter did not mention at all the Democrat Party power brokering going on to get Hillary past Sanders.

Bill Clinton himself only had 2 years with a favorable Congress, the other 6 is almost exactly like what Obama had to deal with later... opposition. Where you are right is Bill Clinton had to work with Republicans, where you are off base is what to credit him with.

Technically and even if sourced by those Republicans in Congress, Bill Clinton signed the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999 ending decades of dividing the economic risk between banking, investments, and insurance and then turned around and signed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 that exempted key credit-default swaps from regulation and oversight entirely. This was after Clinton and Democrats decided to edit the Community Reinvestment Act with a 1995 change applying more pressure for banks to loan to low income neighborhoods. His part in the financial collapse is attached to his legacy far more than who got his pencil wet in the oval office.

On the economy itself just during his years, we cannot even be for certain that the budget surplus years are entirely of his doing as one having to work with Republicans and two riding one hell of an economic boom.

When it comes to foreign policy his legacy will forever be remembered by a triumphant Somali mob dragging Army Staff Sergeant William David Cleveland's dead body through the streets plus our withdraw *and* his missed opportunities to deal with Osama Bin Laden.

And we cannot forget the fiasco of "Hillarycare"... all the secrecy and all the mess.

I'm sorry my friend, I do not consider a single one of our Presidents going back to before Carter (probably further now that I think about it) as doing a "good job." Not a damn one of them Bill Clinton included.
 
SMTA said:
Yea, that balanced budget from his term really trashed the economy. Right.
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That wasn't enough as it turned out. And he and Greenspan knew it.
 
Bill Clinton Actually Gets It
Not again...oh he had that intern over again and she finished what she started?
 
Mac77 said:
Are you saying that ignorant liberals thought hillary would win in a landlide because the lying lib news media told them she will win?

So they made a protest vote for trump as a slap on the hand to crooked hillary?

I doubt if that happened but the mere tought of it is pretty funny
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No, he's saying that the liberals had been convinced by the media that Hillary would win by such an overwhelming landslide that they felt safe just staying home and not voting at all.

We're talking about "I, Me, Mine" liberals here.

They can't be bothered to do their civic duty for the simple sake of performing their civic duty.

They expect to get something out of it.

If they're convinced they're going to get their way anyhow, why put down the bong or spit the dick out of their mouth long enough to go do something as unnecessary as voting for a candidate who is already a shoe-in?
 
soot said:
No, he's saying that the liberals had been convinced by the media that Hillary would win by such an overwhelming landslide that they felt safe just staying home and not voting at all.

We're talking about "I, Me, Mine" liberals here.

They can't be bothered to do their civic duty for the simple sake of performing their civic duty.

They expect to get something out of it.

If they're convinced they're going to get their way anyhow, why put down the bong or spit the dick out of their mouth long enough to go do something as unnecessary as voting for a candidate who is already a shoe-in?
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They obviously were not happy with their party.
 
Moderate Right said:
Ed Klein: Bill Clinton: It's Hillary's Fault, Not Comey's


Bill was actually the last president who actually did a good job. Granted, the Republican congress kind of forced him into it but at least he worked with them instead of being the party of no like Obama has done. If he would have kept his pants zipped up he would have had a better place in history. After leaving office though he did get caught up of the Clinton crime syndicate. Anyway, at least he understands why Hillary lost.
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At least it is accurate to way that Bill is an accomplished politician and Hillary definitely is not.
 
LowDown said:
I think Hillary and her subordinates hate white working class people so much that they'd rather lose than pay any attention to their concerns. To her those people were deplorable s***kickers, racist, sexist trash not worthy of any attention. Bill Clinton came from a poor, working class background. Hillary was born upper class. It really does sound like Bill knew what the problem with Hillary's campaign was all along.

According to one Democratic congressman the Democratic elite really does hate poor white people. Tell them that they should pay more attention to what poor white people want and you will draw only a shocked silence.
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The Democratic party disenfranchises white voters and gives nothing but empty rhetoric to the others in a shameless attempt to get voters. More are more of the minorities are beginning to realize that their votes for the Democratic establishment are not yielding any tangible results. Bill Clinton even took notice of the fact in this link that African Americans have been disappointed in their lives not improving more under eight years of Obama.
 
fmw said:
At least it is accurate to way that Bill is an accomplished politician and Hillary definitely is not.
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To be fair, Hillary Clinton has served as FLOTUS, a two-term United States Senator, U.S. Secretary of State, and one of only 109 Americans in the history of this country to ever earn Electoral College votes while losing the presidential election.

Hillary is a LOT of things, but an "un"accomplished politician is not one of them.
 
OrphanSlug said:
I do not buy this article by Edward Klein either, nor your assessment of Bill Clinton.

For this campaign season, the article totally misses the point about how much better Trump did overall going anti-establishment in 2016 vs. than Romney did in 2012 going more the establishment route *and* how much worse Hillary did in 2016 in key urban heavy Democrat based districts than Obama did in those same districts in 2008 and 2012. The article spends almost no time talking about the former and while spending some time talking about the latter did not mention at all the Democrat Party power brokering going on to get Hillary past Sanders.

Bill Clinton himself only had 2 years with a favorable Congress, the other 6 is almost exactly like what Obama had to deal with later... opposition. Where you are right is Bill Clinton had to work with Republicans, where you are off base is what to credit him with.

Technically and even if sourced by those Republicans in Congress, Bill Clinton signed the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999 ending decades of dividing the economic risk between banking, investments, and insurance and then turned around and signed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 that exempted key credit-default swaps from regulation and oversight entirely. This was after Clinton and Democrats decided to edit the Community Reinvestment Act with a 1995 change applying more pressure for banks to loan to low income neighborhoods. His part in the financial collapse is attached to his legacy far more than who got his pencil wet in the oval office.

On the economy itself just during his years, we cannot even be for certain that the budget surplus years are entirely of his doing as one having to work with Republicans and two riding one hell of an economic boom.

When it comes to foreign policy his legacy will forever be remembered by a triumphant Somali mob dragging Army Staff Sergeant William David Cleveland's dead body through the streets plus our withdraw *and* his missed opportunities to deal with Osama Bin Laden.

And we cannot forget the fiasco of "Hillarycare"... all the secrecy and all the mess.

I'm sorry my friend, I do not consider a single one of our Presidents going back to before Carter (probably further now that I think about it) as doing a "good job." Not a damn one of them Bill Clinton included.
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I actually agree with most of what you wrote but it is my belief that Bill Clinton did the best job of any president in recent history and I think a large part of that was him working with the Republican congress and their "Contract With America" to actually get things done, something that Obama has completely failed to do with a Republican congress. Dysfunction over the last few years rests on the shoulders of both parties.
 
fmw said:
At least it is accurate to way that Bill is an accomplished politician and Hillary definitely is not.
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Bill understands the grass roots more and has better intuition while Hillary was married to the status quo establishment during a time when the whole world wanted to throw the establishment bums out. She didn't need to address the concerns of blue states because blue states were blue. Heck, she never even went to Wisconsin, a "blue" state with a Republican governor and Republican members of congress but a blue state was blue.
 
Moderate Right said:
Ed Klein: Bill Clinton: It's Hillary's Fault, Not Comey's


Bill was actually the last president who actually did a good job. Granted, the Republican congress kind of forced him into it but at least he worked with them instead of being the party of no like Obama has done. If he would have kept his pants zipped up he would have had a better place in history. After leaving office though he did get caught up of the Clinton crime syndicate. Anyway, at least he understands why Hillary lost.
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Bill Clinton and the Republican Congress were the LUCKY beneficiaries of a "DOTCOM" boom and a peace dividend from the end of the Cold War. They still never really balanced the budget as claimed, they simply put the Social Security Trust Fund into the General Fund and claimed they balanced the budget.
 
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